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Postby Ganzo » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:28 pm

Well i'm not Vulcan
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Postby Markarado » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:57 pm

Tikker I can't tell you why I believe. All I can tell you is that I know that God exists. You're wrong and I'm right. Simply stated.
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Postby Tossica » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:12 pm

I can tell you why.

You all believe because you feel it's of some benefit to you. You take comfort in believing there is a higher power watching over you and if all the stories are true, you won't have to be just a rotting corpse when you die.
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Postby Yamori » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:15 pm

Oh, you KNOW that god exists, do you.
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Postby Markarado » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:28 pm

Yes, I do.

Tossica, it is a benefit for us that is true; but that is not why we believe in God.
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Postby mofish » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:31 pm

Markarado wrote:Yes, I do.


Have you heard god?
Have you touched god?
Have you smelled god?
Have you felt god?
Have you seen god?
Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied god?

Ill save you the time and answer for you : no
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Postby KILL » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:34 pm

Markarado wrote:Tikker I can't tell you why I believe. All I can tell you is that I know that God exists. You're wrong and I'm right. Simply stated.



man, how childish does that sound?

i dont know why im right, all i know is im right and youre wrong!!

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Postby xaoshaen » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:36 pm

Tossica wrote:I can tell you why.

You all believe because you feel it's of some benefit to you. You take comfort in believing there is a higher power watching over you and if all the stories are true, you won't have to be just a rotting corpse when you die.


Pascal's wager isn't necessarily a bad one...
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Postby xaoshaen » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:39 pm

mofish wrote:
Markarado wrote:Yes, I do.


Have you heard god?
Have you touched god?
Have you smelled god?
Have you felt god?
Have you seen god?
Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied god?

Ill save you the time and answer for you : no


It can boil down to personal experience. A great many people can claim to have experienced God in one form or another.
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Postby Yamori » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:03 pm

xaoshaen wrote:
It can boil down to personal experience. A great many people can claim to have experienced God in one form or another.



I have a theory about that --- they actually experienced psychosis.

God talked to you? You heard voices.

People can wholeheartedly believe the CIA is watching them, how more outlandish is that than believing you felt god?

There is a portion of the brain that, in some individuals, if you zap it, you lose the sense of self and believe you are experiencing god. Maybe that part got frizzled for awhile and caused the experience.

I'm planning on becoming a research psychologist for a living -- and that will definitely be one of the first experiments I do - see if people who have had 'religious experiences' qualify for any of the criteria for schizophrenia or other psychotic illnesses.
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Postby Ganzo » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:39 pm

Ahh we back to insults i see
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Postby Yamori » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:53 pm

I don't see how it's an insult, it's genuine scientific curiousity. It's also the most simple explanation.

The mind can play some pretty fucked up tricks --- and religious experiences could be one of them.
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Postby xaoshaen » Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:16 pm

Yamori wrote:
xaoshaen wrote:
It can boil down to personal experience. A great many people can claim to have experienced God in one form or another.



I have a theory about that --- they actually experienced psychosis.


Yes, massive, geographically isolated, shared psychosese. Now who's reaching?

God talked to you? You heard voices.

People can wholeheartedly believe the CIA is watching them, how more outlandish is that than believing you felt god?


Quite a bit. It's much more likely that either the NSA or the FBI is watching them.
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Postby xaoshaen » Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:16 pm

Yamori wrote:I don't see how it's an insult, it's genuine scientific curiousity. It's also the most simple explanation.


If you believe this, you'd better sign up for a great many more classes on human psychology.
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Postby mappatazee » Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:57 pm

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Postby Markarado » Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:03 am

While you find the fact that God exists childish I find your misconstrued theories of evollution very childish
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Postby Darcler » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:37 am

I typed a dirty reply about "feeling God" but I erased it because it is only funny to me.
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Postby Arlos » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:12 am

Markarado wrote:While you find the fact that God exists childish I find your misconstrued theories of evollution very childish


Evolution is childish? Using the scientific method and attempting to understand the way biology works, and how all the life on the earth at present got to be the way it is at present is childish? Studying nature and genetics and animal populations to figure out adaptations to niches and species drift is childish? So you're saying biology is childish, huh? Do you find physics childish too? Do you dismiss quantum theory as sophmoric? How about slamming String theory as being infantile?

Sorry to break it to you, but FAITH BASED BELIEFS ARE NOT SCIENCE. You can believe whatever you want, but if what you believe is directly contradicted by science, you're putting yourself in the same category as the flat-earthers, or those who claim that the space program is faked because "God wouldn't let people pierce heaven that way." (yes, there are people who claim this) Science has nothing to say on whether or not God exists, or whether or not he created the universe, caused life to spring into being initially from the primordial soup, etc. That's the realm of faith.

What science discusses is HOW we got from, say, primitive cyanobacteria to humans, dogs, mushrooms, fish, etc. Ignoring the mountains of evidence is sheer wilfull blindness. There's nothing incompatible with faith in evolution, even with the belief that God created man, as certainly an omnipotent diety could've guided evolution as he saw fit in order to reach the ultimate result desired. Such a belief would quite neatly encompass both strong religious faith and belief in the word of the bible, but also be entirely compatible with science. Having faith in God != rejection of science.

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Postby Wrath Child » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:25 am

mofish wrote:
Markarado wrote:Yes, I do.


Have you heard god?
Have you touched god?
Have you smelled god?
Have you felt god?
Have you seen god?
Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied god?

Ill save you the time and answer for you : no


Have you heard a black hole?
Have you touched a black hole?
Have you smelled a black hole?
Have you felt a black hole?
Have you seen a black hole?
Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied a black hole?

Ill save you the time and answer for you : no

Yet you believe in them. You have faith that they exist based on "evidence" that may or may not prove one day to be true.
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Postby Markarado » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:44 am

What science discusses is HOW we got from, say, primitive cyanobacteria to humans, dogs, mushrooms, fish, etc.


No, evolution does. Evolution is a theory that not all scientists believe in. The key word is believe, as a belief is all it is.
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Postby Agrajag » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:01 am

Wrath Child wrote:Have you heard a black hole?
Have you touched a black hole?
Have you smelled a black hole?
Have you felt a black hole?
Have you seen a black hole?
Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied a black hole?

Ill save you the time and answer for you : no

Yet you believe in them. You have faith that they exist based on "evidence" that may or may not prove one day to be true.


http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/bh_obsv.html

This looks like some pretty compelling evidence to me! Only a matter of time before it is hard core proof. When will there be proof of the existence of God? Can you say never?

I see God as a crutch people use as an excuse so they can pass off accountability of their actions.
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Postby 10sun » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:37 am

Wrath Child wrote:
mofish wrote:
Markarado wrote:Yes, I do.


Have you heard god?
Have you touched god?
Have you smelled god?
Have you felt god?
Have you seen god?
Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied god?

Ill save you the time and answer for you : no


Have you heard a black hole?
Have you touched a black hole?
Have you smelled a black hole?
Have you felt a black hole?
Have you seen a black hole?
Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied a black hole?

Ill save you the time and answer for you : no

Yet you believe in them. You have faith that they exist based on "evidence" that may or may not prove one day to be true.


Do virii exist?

Does the internet exist?

Does electricity exist?

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Postby Gidan » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:47 am

Yes, you can see them
Yes you can see it, touch it, feel it, hell you can taste and smell it
Yes you can feel and see it.
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Postby alezrik » Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:29 am

Doesn't it concern you that you have promised your eternal soul to a powerful omipetent being that without rhyme or reason, but based just on a feeling of faith, you believe is a god of ultimate love.

In the bible it seems he never wanted mankind to know the difference between good and evil from the tree of knowledge. I would think that a god of goodness and love would want his creation to hold the ideal of telling the difference between good and evil as something of ultimate importance for them to know.
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Postby Rust » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:20 pm

xaoshaen wrote:
Tossica wrote:I can tell you why.

You all believe because you feel it's of some benefit to you. You take comfort in believing there is a higher power watching over you and if all the stories are true, you won't have to be just a rotting corpse when you die.


Pascal's wager isn't necessarily a bad one...


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