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by **Yamori** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:09 pm

It's arguable what Hitler's religion was. His biography written by his best and only childhood friend said he was areligious and didn't care for church (but it never said anything about what his beliefs were), yet Hitler has writings praising christianity at the same time. It would take a LOT of unbiased scholarly work to say definitively what his religion was, and I don't know if that exists yet --- the christians all say he was atheist, the atheists all say he was a christian.

Did stalin kill people based on their religion? I don't know much about this, and would like to hear more from a good source. I know he killed political opponents - I don't know what else he based his killings on. I read somewhere that soviet russia very faintly respected religion, at least to the point of begrudgingly allowing it to exist.

by **Tikker** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:17 pm

Yamori wrote:It's arguable what Hitler's religion was. His biography written by his best and only childhood friend said he was areligious and didn't care for church (but it never said anything about what his beliefs were), yet Hitler has writings praising christianity at the same time. It would take a LOT of unbiased scholarly work to say definitively what his religion was, and I don't know if that exists yet --- the christians all say he was atheist, the atheists all say he was a christian.

Did stalin kill people based on their religion? I don't know much about this, and would like to hear more from a good source. I know he killed political opponents - I don't know what else he based his killings on. I read somewhere that soviet russia very faintly respected religion, at least to the point of begrudgingly allowing it to exist.

Stalin was athiest
Stalin actually was anti religous
that being said

he was anti everyone that wasn't communist

by **Yamori** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:20 pm

Oh, and I'm an atheist and I think you're wrong if you believe in any religion besides buddhism or the occult, and even then I think you're wrong. And I judge people - quietly and to myself. So for the Atheist apologetics, sorry, I guess I'm a bad example to the cause.

What I don't do is get angry if people don't agree with me, nor do I push aggressively and unwantedly for anyone to accept my worldview, nor do I want my view on religion to be interwoven with political policy or the law. I don't think your value as a human being becomes lower for having beliefs about the universe I find to be wrong. And above all, I don't mistreat or disrespect people if they have a differing metaphysical view.

I think this is how everyone should be - because I think it IS important be bold and say that something is correct if that what your reason tells you, but it is also important to respect people's rights and dignity.

The end.

by **10sun** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:29 pm

ps. I think Hitler was raised Jewish and that was one of the root causes of him being such a dickhead towards Jews later in his life, thinking he could tell jokes and stuff and then cover his ass by saying he was Jewish.

by **xaoshaen** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:32 pm

Tikker wrote:
Yamori wrote:It's arguable what Hitler's religion was. His biography written by his best and only childhood friend said he was areligious and didn't care for church (but it never said anything about what his beliefs were), yet Hitler has writings praising christianity at the same time. It would take a LOT of unbiased scholarly work to say definitively what his religion was, and I don't know if that exists yet --- the christians all say he was atheist, the atheists all say he was a christian.

Did stalin kill people based on their religion? I don't know much about this, and would like to hear more from a good source. I know he killed political opponents - I don't know what else he based his killings on. I read somewhere that soviet russia very faintly respected religion, at least to the point of begrudgingly allowing it to exist.

Stalin was athiest
Stalin actually was anti religous
that being said

he was anti everyone that wasn't communist

*cough*Trotsky*cough* Stalin was paranoid and purged anyone whom he considered a threat. The organiation of the church offered an alternative to the cult of personality he foisted on the Russion people, and thus became a threat.

by **runamonk** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:39 pm

Mindia wrote:
runamonk wrote:Yup, it's scary stuff man.

Just look at Mindia...

That's so weird I don't know whether to LOL or to Would you like to elaborate further Zennish? No side comments from the peanut gallery please. This is a question for Zennish.

It was part joke and part jab at you... You were quite normal for the longest time then for a while there everyone here was burning in hell and destined for damnation and all that. You seriously wigged over the span of like a month. I'm just giving you shit today though, you've been more relaxed as of late.

by **Zanchief** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:46 pm

runamonk wrote:You were quite normal for the longest time then for a while there everyone here was burning in hell and destined for damnation and all that. You seriously wigged over the span of like a month.

by **Tossica** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:17 pm

Like many "christians", Mindia came to the gutwrenching realization that he was a shitty human being. He had spent most of his adult life treating his fellow human beings like shit and instead of dealing with all the shitty things he had done to other people and apologizing, he figured he would turn his life over to Jesus and the Lord would forgive him and make all the bad things go away. Once he felt he was straight in the lords eye, it doesn't matter what damage he may have caused. Besides, if he ever fucks up and shits on anyone else, he can always pray to the lord and everything is cool again.

Turning your life over to the Lord means never having to say you're sorry! It's a win for a lowlife for sure. I can see the appeal.

by **Tikker** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:19 pm

by **mappatazee** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:28 pm

We believe in nothing Lebowski!

by **mappatazee** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:31 pm

Tossica wrote:Turning your life over to the Lord means never having to say you're sorry! It's a win for a lowlife for sure. I can see the appeal.

Yes, the religion most appealing to drug addicts and felons. Is there any other religion that makes such an effort to convert miscreants to their cause?

by **Harrison** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:32 pm

A religion accomplishes something like that and you hold their past against them?

You fucking people are amazingly ignorant. I am hardly surprised.

by **Gidan** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:51 pm

Harrison wrote:A religion accomplishes something like that and you hold their past against them?

You fucking people are amazingly ignorant. I am hardly surprised.

Making people think that their past actions dont pretaint to them any longer because they have found God now is not a good thing.

If people want to improve on their lives, thats great but they should remember that no matter what path they take in life now, what they id in their past is still part of them. People finding God, especially the peopel who lived the worst lives start to think that what is in their past didn't happen or is not longer imprtant because they are now people of God. That is not an accomplishment you should be proud of.

by **Yamori** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:08 pm

Its more healthy to just apologize for your mistakes and make sure never to do them again, than it is to think magical jesus powers will just make them go away.

by **Zanchief** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:11 pm

Harrison wrote:A religion accomplishes something like that and you hold their past against them?

You fucking people are amazingly ignorant. I am hardly surprised.

Do you ever have anything to say?

by **Lyion** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:16 pm

These threads would be much easier if certain people realized Mapp and a select few others are not at all serious and doing the anonymous satirical internet troll routine. Either be amused, or ignore him if you aren't. Everyone else pretty much realizes he ain't here to discuss anything.

by **Narrock** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:23 pm

Tossica wrote:Like many "christians", Mindia came to the gutwrenching realization that he was a shitty human being. He had spent most of his adult life treating his fellow human beings like shit and instead of dealing with all the shitty things he had done to other people and apologizing, he figured he would turn his life over to Jesus and the Lord would forgive him and make all the bad things go away. Once he felt he was straight in the lords eye, it doesn't matter what damage he may have caused. Besides, if he ever fucks up and shits on anyone else, he can always pray to the lord and everything is cool again.

Turning your life over to the Lord means never having to say you're sorry! It's a win for a lowlife for sure. I can see the appeal.

In other words... you know nothing about me, my relationship with God, or about Christianity.

by **veeneedefeesh** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:39 pm

Mindia wrote:In other words... you know nothing about me, my relationship with God, or about Christianity.

That may be by design....

by **Narrock** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:46 pm

However it may be... Tossica throws out those blanket statements every now and then that are totally off-the-wall and way off base.

by **Zanchief** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:55 pm

Mindia wrote:However it may be... Tossica throws out those blanket statements every now and then that are totally off-the-wall and way off base.

Hmm Mindia talking about blanket statements makes me giggle.

by **Narrock** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:28 pm

Zanchief wrote:
Mindia wrote:However it may be... Tossica throws out those blanket statements every now and then that are totally off-the-wall and way off base.

Hmm Mindia talking about blanket statements makes me giggle.

Mkay...

by **mappatazee** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:44 pm

I'm serious. Even when I told Mindia to push his cock into a cup full of pins.

by **mappatazee** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:45 pm

myself wrote:Yes, the religion most appealing to drug addicts and felons. Is there any other religion that makes such an effort to convert miscreants to their cause?

This is a serious statement and I would like it to be addressed by a knuckle-dragging Bible-thumping fundamentalist.

by **tikigod** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:57 pm

I have always believed that evolution helps prove the existence of a greater being(s). It also helps to disprove it, but I find that it helps to prove the existence of god(s) is more interesting so my ideas behind this are:

1. If life started from single celled organisms, what scientific purpose would there be to evolving past that, cause they have always seemed to be near perfect at living?

2. Look at what people have accomplished, what’s the point dose it really make that much more fit to produce young.

by **mappatazee** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:35 am

tikigod wrote:I have always believed that evolution helps prove the existence of a greater being(s). It also helps to disprove it, but I find that it helps to prove the existence of god(s) is more interesting so my ideas behind this are:

1. If life started from single celled organisms, what scientific purpose would there be to evolving past that, cause they have always seemed to be near perfect at living?

2. Look at what people have accomplished, what’s the point dose it really make that much more fit to produce young.

And they're letting you graduate highschool?

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