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my rl friend keeps bugging me to play with him on a pve server, im craving for some mmorpgs and all,

so yah whats the good and the bad side at playing, keep in mind it would be casual playing, not hardcore grind like i did in eq1 and 2 :o

trying out the wow free trial version for 10 days, it aint as bad as i thought itd be

It gets old extremely fast for most people.

Yeah, after about 2 months you're already bored.

if you've got a consistent group to play with, it can be great

it's when you start branching off and all on different quests that it gets really tedious

all depends what you do with your time, too. If once you hit 60, and are on a good server with a good PUG environment, you can do heroics and even raiding without ever joining a guild. Hell, on my current server, people PUG heroics and 10 mans all the time, and there is even some slightly more organized PUGing of current 25 man content. Obviously not as fast or as successful as real raiding guilds, but I know they've certainly cleared all of Naxx and big chunks of Ulduar and TOC.

So, if you've got something to do, and the carrot of bette rgear and new encounters to experience, it's much much harder to get bored.

-Arlos

WoW's tradeskilling is far superior to EQ 2's IMO. I can't stand the way Sony has it set up. Way too much work for a video game...

It's too easy. There's no sense of accomplishment in WoW imo. There was plenty in EQ1.

That's the biggest thing for me in gaming.

I need a sense of "Wow, I did that."

VERY few games have been able to give me that since EQ1. Games these days are like interactive movies, no difficulty or penalty for failure.

Harrison wrote:That's the biggest thing for me in gaming.

I need a sense of "Wow, I did that."

You need a challenging job, so you can use games as an escape and means to relax, not a vehicle to channel ones need for progression in life.

Fuck MMOs or any other games that are about sadomasochism.

WOW patch 3.3 will make the game even better with streamlined LFG that allows cross server PUGs.

I'm currently playing through Dragon Age: Origins, but once I finish it I'll probably be back to WOW. Then again, if Bioware keeps DLC coming every month or three I may just stick with Origins, as it blows away WOW in every way possible.

cross-server PUGs???

it blows away WOW in every way possible

Except, of course, for interaction with other people, assuming you're actually part of a guild.

-Arlos

I've done all the content in WOW. I really despise badge and seal farming, and since WOW will become doing dungeons and raids over and over for these in the foreseeable future, I'm really pleased with Dragon Age and it's storyline and it's depth

Lyion wrote:

Harrison wrote:That's the biggest thing for me in gaming.

I need a sense of "Wow, I did that."

You need a challenging job, so you can use games as an escape and means to relax, not a vehicle to channel ones need for progression in life.

That's a dick thing to say. Games are for playing and jobs are for income. Being able to derive accomplishment from anything you do is only a good thing and doesn't take away from anything else. Personally, I look for it in games, work, sports and anything else I have an interest in doing. If there's a higher standard to reach for, it adds a dynamic, games work or otherwise.

I was just going to let the dick comment slide lol

Harrison wrote:I was just going to let the dick comment slide lol

Yeah but that's so boring :P

Jay wrote:That's a dick thing to say. Games are for playing and jobs are for income. Being able to derive accomplishment from anything you do is only a good thing and doesn't take away from anything else. Personally, I look for it in games, work, sports and anything else I have an interest in doing. If there's a higher standard to reach for, it adds a dynamic, games work or otherwise.

You miss my point. Generally, when I go for a run, shoot hoops, or play some golf it's for enjoyment, not looking for 'Wow, I did it' times. Same deal for games. Wow I did it to me should be for important things. Then again, games aren't really challenging to me. Even MMOs. I enjoy them and like them and they're hobbies, but I don't get accomplishment.

Those in EQ were mainly due to the pain, bad design, and waste of my life that the game really was. WOW is designed for grinding, but not very many of those 'Oh Shit' moments. If the highlights of ones life are made with strangers on Vent or some Japanese CRPG, then hey, better you than me.

I don't know. I try to get good at everything I do for enjoyment or I see no purpose to it.

I'm actually with Harrison on this one

I've infinitely enjoyed games on a deeper level when I've gotten a sense of accomplishment from winning/killing/whatever a game

Novemer 4th, 2009...

The world ended as Hell froze over.

as for WoW

if you just want to run around and kill shit, and have fun, it's not a bad game at all

if you want EQ style progression, it sucks donkeyballs

Lately, I've been playing through CoD:4 on Arcade Mode on Veteran to see what scores I can pump out of it lol

My console-playing friends see the shit I pull off and finally realize why PC FPS players are vastly superior.

If you think there's no challenge to WOW, you've not experienced the raid game, especially the ulduar and later era hardmode encounters.

Yeah, lower end stuff is trivial, but there IS challenge out there if you want to seek it out. I certainly got a sense of accomplishment when we recently got hardmode 25-man Anub'arak. No, it wasn't the same level of satisfaction I got when we killed the AOW, but then, no other sense of accomplishment in EQ ever came close to that either.

-Arlos

I've done Ulduar. It's easy. Only thing I didn't get to kill was Algalon. I'm not saying easy because I want everyone to think I'm uberleet or whatever. I'm saying it's easy because there isn't a single encounter in Ulduar that takes more than 1 week, 3 days a week, 3 hours a night worth of encounters to learn and kill. The game creates mobs that have systematic ways to defeat them. I just don't like it. Player ingenuity used to be a key factor in the game, now it's who can interpret the strat best.

Did you do them normal mode, or hardmode?

Normal mode is ridiculously easy. Hardmodes are another thing entirely. Especially for encounters like hardmode mimiron, or 1 keeper Yogg, they are 100% dependent upon individual performance. If one person screws up, you can wipe the entire raid.

Again, yes, normal modes are really easy. Hardmodes, though, are often different kettles of fish entirely, and often completely and totally change the fight's dynamics.

-Arlos