Guns, I know, not again, can't help myself

[ClakarEQ]

For the obvious reasons, but a question I don't think I've seen asked, not even sure I or anyone cares to be honest. After reading what happened this morning.

For those that don't feel gun control is needed,

Are guns themselves ever the problem or is it always something else (i.e. humans, laws, etc)?
If no, is the answer, how do you explain statics that prove otherwise (i.e. states with more gun control have less gun violence)?

I guess in time, gun control will be force fed. Statistics show a consistent decline in gun ownership and increase in gun control laws, so I'll be happy to know in my lifetime guns will be generally banned /yeah

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... n-control/

[Menelvir]

There is no way, through laws or otherwise, to achieve 100% ironclad prevention of needless, senseless tragedies such as the one that happened this morning.

You can tighten gun control laws with thumbscrews until your thumbs bleed.

If by some miracle, guns were completely outlawed in the United States, the individuals who commit acts like this would either a) obtain guns illegally [since by definition, criminals don't obey laws] to carry out their acts, or b) find other means to harm large numbers of people in a single incident.

Total prohibition might lessen the occurrence or frequency of such tragedies, but a belief that it would end them would be folly. The tragedy at Bath, for example, was largely done with the use of explosives.

I think one step that might save lives (and yet have nothing to do with further gun restriction), would be to ensure that all future classrooms, regardless of other factors, have at LEAST two exits, preferably on opposite sides of a room.

[ClakarEQ]

I have absolutely zero expectation that a total gun ban would result in the removal of gun crime. However less does in fact mean less in this case, we both agree it seems.

IMO rebuilding all the schools in our nation to get a second exit is looking at the symptom instead of the problem. Why create more gun laws, why rebuild or redesign schools, why do anything except to begin to fix the problem. Why is there any focus on the symptoms at all?

We can't fix all the crazy out there, it's just too much, too much money, time, resources, etc

The beginning to fix this is to actually fix the problem instead of tap dancing around and implement symptom fix after symptom fix. Who the fuck cares about the symptoms. The problem is what needs fixing.

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[Spazz]

What needs fixing ? As far as a gun ban Im going to have to say no thank you. There is no real good way to stop crazy people from doing shit like this because crazy means just that. There are a lot of factors imo that effect gun violence in america and we could do a lot to address them but insane fuckers with guns is the rarity and the hardest to prevent. We could create a bigger social safety net , change the war on drugs and do everything in our power to create opportunities for people to have a bit of the american dream and I think steps in that direction would make for a much more peaceful society but short of a lockdown its very hard to prevent insane people from doing insane shit.

[Tikker]

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[10sun]

i think there is no reason for a citizen to own an assault rifle


hunting rifle/shotgun? np

hand guns i am not sure about, to be honest

It is in The Constitution of the United States of America.

To be honest, it would be nice to get rid of semi-automatics entirely.

Hand guns - revolvers only please.

No reason to have more than 7 rounds loaded at any time.

[Kaemon]

There's always going to be violence whether guns are outlawed or not. Great Britain has a low gun violence rate because no one has a gun in that country, I'm sure if you looked up knife attacks, they would probably lead in that department.

Although having a 5 year old girl myself, and this happening a little less than 2 hours away from where we live, the question I kept asking myself all day today is how do I protect my little girl.

So today I change my opinion on guns.

I believe that if we had the same type of laws regarding guns as GB does, 18 kindergartners would be alive today, still innocent enough to believe that Santa Claus was coming in 2 weeks. I'm pretty sure the Mother and himself would be dead though.

Enough is enough with these shootings.

[Ganzo]

For the obvious reasons, but a question I don't think I've seen asked, not even sure I or anyone cares to be honest. After reading what happened this morning.

For those that don't feel gun control is needed,

Are guns themselves ever the problem or is it always something else (i.e. humans, laws, etc)?
If no, is the answer, how do you explain statics that prove otherwise (i.e. states with more gun control have less gun violence)?

I guess in time, gun control will be force fed. Statistics show a consistent decline in gun ownership and increase in gun control laws, so I'll be happy to know in my lifetime guns will be generally banned /yeah

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... n-control/

If you believe that the gun control protects from school shootings, I want to refer you to a school shooting which claimed over 1000 lives in the country with a very tight gun controll policy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_sch ... age_crisis

As it has been said many times before: "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"

[Spazz]

Herp derp no one should own an assault rifle .... Almost no crimes are committed with those as they cost to much and can be a might bit tricky to conceal. Most gun crimes are committed with cheap shitty handguns and shotguns not fancy weapons. Also you can totally hunt with an ak.


Without even looking im also going to guess that revolvers are a pretty common murder weapon as they are small plentiful powerful and leave behind no casings.

All this amounts to is gun hystaria so that people can feel safe from wackos

[Kaemon]

yep, it'll make me feel better.

20 5yr olds died today,20. Herp derp on that shit and try to swallow it. Maybe you'll understand when you have your own kids when something like this happens, you honestly spend the whole fucking day thinking about how to protect your own.

[Menelvir]

I'd like to think there's a potential balance somewhere between reasonable gun control laws and less frequent acts of mass violence committed using guns, but at present, I can't begin to know where that balance is.

[Spazz]

Yea 20 5 year olds died today and you know what me and my guns didnt kill a single fucken one of em so I dont owe anyone anything. I dont know how its " reasonable" for me to have to give up my weapons when I havent done anything wrong with them in the first place

[Drem]

Stupid people ruin shit for everyone else all the time. Thats the essence of why society never really seems to move forward. Idiocracy!

[Spazz]

Yea maybe we should base policy off the norm instead of the exception.

[Harrison]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1220230

We need to ban knives! Sticks and stones, too, while we're at it!

Let's make murder illegal! That will fix all of this...oh wait.

You can't fix evil with any law, period. Fix the problem, not cause more for the rest of the regular law-abiding citizens. Back the fuck off of my freedom to protect me and my family how I see fit.

I'm sick to death of old white rich people telling me what I can and cannot do with my body, my money, my resources, my family, my land, my fucking everything.

Prohibition solves absolutely nothing at all. In this case, it also raises a massive problem of its own were your wildly retarded pipe dream to come true.

[Menelvir]

Obviously laws regarding murder are ineffectual, so why not get rid of them altogether? Might as well throw out the rest of legal system as well.

Given human nature, I'm sure all would be peace and love in a lawless, anarchic environment.

[Narrock]

You can slap all the new gun laws down you want. It's not going to stop, or even deter, a crazy person from using a firearm to kill people. There will always be firearms available on the black market. All gun banning will accomplish is take yet another right away, and disarm law-abiding citizens who want a firearm for home defense, self defense, family protection, hunting, sport shooting etc. The only sane way to help reduce these horrific events is to have a more stringent gun-buying process, like maybe adding a psychological exam to potential buyers, in addition to the standard 10-day waiting period and background investigation. I'm pretty sure that at least half of these shitbags who commit these types of crimes like in Connecticut, and the movie theater in Colorado, and the mall in Portland, the Sikh temple, etc wouldn't pass a psychological exam. And because you can still buy guns on the black market, maybe impose extremely stiff penalties to those caught in trafficking of illegal/unregistered firearms.

[Jay]

Columbine, this, the knifing in China, Virginia Tech, all happened at schools. Ban schools.

[Spazz]

Maybe schools need armed and trained security guards? You know to stop crazy fuckers from killing our nations children. It seems to me a better option than giving up rights and it can create a few jobs in the process I dont know how to stop crazy people from doing crazy things but me and my guns are innocent and I will always defend the second amendment

[Drem]

give grandpas more guns

[Spazz]

Ive seen that video before, good for that old guy for not having a victim mentality

[brinstar]

on the one hand, i feel the country needs to come together and have a serious multipartisan discussion not about guns or gun control but about our society and culture of violence as well as our dismal lack of effective mental health policy and how all these ingredients come together to make some people very very sick in the head

but then on the other hand, motherfucker had an AR15. the FUCK does anyone need an AR15 for?

and PS, fuck off with that tired bullshit argument "HERF DERF WE KILL PEEPL WITH CARS TOO, BAN CARS" because it's a fucking question of DESIGN. cars are designed to move people and things around, knives are designed to turn one thing into two smaller things. yes, cars and knives can be used to kill people, but AR15s are specifically designed to put a lot of holes in a lot of humans in a very short time. if we can limit free speech and say "you can't yell FIRE in a theatre" we can sure as fuck limit gun ownership and say "you can't own a fucking AR15 you fucking psycho!" god damn i'm sick of dipshits oozing out that fucking argument, so to anyone who wants to shovel that pile of shit out: fuck you, fuck you in your stupid gun-porn-sore dickhole with a high velocity depleted uranium .50 round. in fact, please actually push the entire round inside your dickhole, then whack the primer with a hammer until it fires

while i'm at it, fuck the 2nd amendment. that shit was written so the people could stand up to a government that needs replacing. what a fucking joke that has become - our govt has unmanned drones that drop laser-guided bombs and ships that can chill fifty miles offshore and rain cruise missiles as far inland as fucking nashville. "boo hoo my rights" lol bitch please you don't even have the right of habeas corpus once the federal govt decides to call you a terror suspect

[Spazz]

Again brinstar I own those weapons and im not a criminal as do lots of other folks. I dont need it but i enjoy shooting it and having it just the same.

It doesnt matter weather its the govt space aliens or gangsters I have the right to defend myself and am not willing to give it up.

and PS, fuck off with that tired bullshit argument "HERF DERF WE KILL PEEPL WITH CARS TOO, BAN CARS" because it's a fucking question of DESIGN. cars are designed to move people and things around, knives are designed to turn one thing into two smaller things. yes, cars and knives can be used to kill people, but AR15s are specifically designed to put a lot of holes in a lot of humans in a very short time. if we can limit free speech and say "you can't yell FIRE in a theatre" we can sure as fuck limit gun ownership and say "you can't own a fucking AR15 you fucking psycho!" god damn i'm sick of dipshits oozing out that fucking argument, so to anyone who wants to shovel that pile of shit out: fuck you, fuck you in your stupid gun-porn-sore dickhole with a high velocity depleted uranium .50 round. in fact, please actually push the entire round inside your dickhole, then whack the primer with a hammer until it fires

Who the fuck are you and where the fuck do you get off ? Im not a criminal a phyco or a violent person so you can blow it out your ass you andy dick lookin son of a bitch. Gonna act like im part of this problem cuz I own something you dont like and dont want to give it up cuz of what some asshole not me did you can sucka dick

[Lyion]

Handguns are an offensive weapon. They serve no real purpose but to kill people.

The problem is not who has guns, but how easy they are to access and the repercussions of having a culture of guns and desire for young people to be 'armed to the teeth'. This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with attitude and 'representing'.

I firmly believe Belcher, the NFL player who killed his girlfriend, and she would be alive today if he hadn't had such easy access to a handgun, sitting right next to him.I believe if this kid in CT who shot his Mom and her pre K class did not have such easy access to guns, things there likewise might have been different.

There is no 'coming together' in this regard. The pro gun lobby and it's desire to have concealed firearms widespread and easy access to these weapons is simply a huge mistake and we already bear the repercussions of our gun fixation every time there is a Columbine, Aurora, or Newton or even when some 7 year old finds Dad's gun and shoots himself in the head.

If I had my way I'd repeal the second amendment tomorrow. It has nothing to do with being able to hunt or protect your 'freedoms', and everything to do with this brainwashed mentality of needing to be 'armed' for some reason. Maybe in one hundred years we'd get to the point where we have few guns, fewer little kids shooting themselves, and better, far less angry young men with access to things that can instantly kill another human being.

[Griever]

the question I kept asking myself all day today is how do I protect my little girl.

Sad that only after a tragedy occurs that people start to ask themselves this question.

Not trying to attack your character as I don't know you or what you think, I'm just using this as an example to show part of the problem with America is the overreaction to tragedy.