SOTU 2013 - thoughts?

[brinstar]

i dunno i didn't fuckin watch it

goddamn is rubio a piece of shit though


(serious question - has there always been an immediate televised response from the opposition party, or is that an obama-era product brought to you by the GOP's cable news propaganda arm?)

[Spazz]

Look the fuck out more government is coming to get cha.

[brinstar]

(serious question - has there always been an immediate televised response from the opposition party, or is that an obama-era product brought to you by the GOP's cable news propaganda arm?)

(part 2 - if, god forbid, we ever have another republican president, is fox news going to air the dem response?)

[Lyion]

There's been a response to the SOTU by the opposition party for the last 30 years at least.

I liked most of the SOTU, although I'd like it better if Obama actually had a plan for deficit reduction and to offset all the spending of the last 10 years.

All politicians are by and large pieces of shit. I guess Harrison isn't the only one who can only handle single serve slices of things that fit in his own worldview without sounding petulant. I like Rubio, although I don't agree with him on a lot of policies.

[Harrison]

It's only stupid if he doesn't agree with it.

It's the most infantile of personality traits possible.

[Kaemon]

i dunno i didn't fuckin watch it

goddamn is rubio a piece of shit though


(serious question - has there always been an immediate televised response from the opposition party, or is that an obama-era product brought to you by the GOP's cable news propaganda arm?)

What, you don't remember when Pelosi and Reid were on for their response the very minute the SOTU was over when Bush was president?

[Menelvir]

I generally don't watch such things, regardless of who's in office.

I didn't attend pep rallies in high school either.

[Reynaldo]

Didn't watch, don't really care.

Echoing what most are saying, it's all just talk and the predictability of what's said and reactions is just tedious anymore.

I'd assume it was an hour of standing, sitting, applauding, purposely NOT applauding, sourpuss face from Bohner behind him on camera, shit eating grin from Biden and all that came from Obama's mouth were words like "bipartisan", "immigration", "guns".

[brinstar]

I generally don't watch such things, regardless of who's in office.

i don't either (for many of the same reasons as reynaldo), which is why i asked - but congrats are certainly due to lyion and bubbles the clown for not missing an opportunity to snivel like bitches about it

hell i don't think i've ever watched an entire SOTU, i honestly tried this time but the rhetoric literally put me to sleep

woke up for the last 5 minutes of rubio's GOVT BAD infomercial, which, like literally every other infomercial i've ever seen in my life, failed to sell me on anything

[Lyion]

Here's a response Infomercial I'm sure you and the lefties en mass will cheer for, Brin. It has all the DNC talking points recycled and polished.



The funny thing is this speech is identical to his campaign last year. Huzzah for idiot low information voters and talking points.

Double huzzah for the amazingly stupid surge comment regarding Iraq too.

[Spazz]

Lyion I dont think brinstar sees himself as a democrat at all. I know I dont. I think of myself as a socialist and im not too keen on Obama. I do however hate republican ideas and think that most of them are retarded. The hatred for teachers, unions and the poor while shucking and jiving for rich corporations and teh JERB creators actually disgusts me quite a bit. As does the rampant racism that thrives in your party. You might not be a racist lyion but dont insult my intelligence and come in here and act like im making things up and saying how thats not true. The reaction to obama and the way rego people in the streets talk about him tells me all I need to know. How many guys you know lyion that use the word nigger pronounced with the er when its just the boys. If you say 0 being a republican that lives in ohio I think I am straight up going to call you a liar.

[Lyion]

Spazz, I don't belong to a GOP insiders sekretz club, you know. My family is a wide swath of political ideologies. Likewise, my friends have an equally wide range.

The only person I know who uses the N word prominently period would be you, Spazz. I've lectured my kids about the reason why it's not cool to ever use it and it's connotation. The world you live in is not the world I or most other people here do, and your description of those who you disagree with is straight up demagoguery and stereotype based on anger about red herring issues and mostly fake racism. There are still racist assholes out there, but I find your approach of labeling others why yourself using pejorative terms a tad hypocritical.

The problem is instead of discussing issues you are busy painting those who disagree with you *the enemy*, which is exactly what Brinstar was doing with Rubio. You want socialism and big government, and I respect that. It's a shame you can't respect those who want small government and free markets, and think that those who do solely do so from some nefarious, racist reason.

[Spazz]

I use the language I do often to make a point. I dont really believe you that the only person you encounter that says niggers is me. You know just because you use the word nigger it doesnt make you a racist. It usually has to do with how your using the word.

Lets see if you can spot the racism. Which one of these lines here is more hateful

I love smoking with niggers man they are hilarious

or

Im really not ready to have a black president.

Its not a red herring just because you dont want to see it or admit it lyion. All the people who think obama is a kenyan muslim do you think that isnt rooted in racism ? Why is he so different to so many people that just makes them rabid. I cant put my finger on it but there must be some issue that is setting these people off. You dont see it thats fine I guess but im not wrong or crying wolf.

The right that you identify with is full of racists bigots and religious thugs economic terrorists and just in general misinformed people who watch fox news all day and shrill at the top of their lungs whatever the days misinformation may be. DOnt get pissy at me for saying it either if you dont like it get your friends together and clean up your party.

[Lyion]

Except using the N word makes you a racist. Using it shows either a lack of respect for what it means or a lack of education. It's not surprising from kids, but it's silly hearing it from anyone over the age of 14. Moreso than crotchety old white guys who think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim, which btw is not by itself racist, you do know?

If Alan West were President 99% of the GOP would be happy as clams and all the Donkeys would still hate the guy. For the vast majority of them on both sides race has zero to do with it. Obama does not instill any more craziness from partisans than W did. I'd say far less.

If you want to generalize: the left you identify with is all about ghetto thugs who don't work, expect handouts, free phones, cheer cop killers, glorify misogynists, promote late term abortion, and think free markets are the enemy of mankind. Are those really lesser issues than a small swath of seniors who want less taxation and centralized government and who falsely get labelled racists in Orwellian fashion simply due to some who hate their political beliefs?

I'm curious where you work and if you pay taxes, Spazz. How much should you be taxed? How much control do you think government should have? You are socialist but do not want police and are anti gun control laws. I think Zanchief needs to explain to you exactly what a socialist believes.

This still applies:

The problem is instead of discussing issues you are busy painting those who disagree with you *the enemy*, which is exactly what Brinstar was doing with Rubio. You want socialism and big government, and I respect that. It's a shame you can't respect those who want small government and free markets, and think that those who do solely do so from some nefarious, racist reason.

[Spazz]

No dude saying a word doesnt make you a racist, Its all in how you use and how you think about people. Now calling him a kenyan muslim isnt where the racism comes from its the thoughts behind it.Its also all they can say in public without a real shitstorm. WHy is this president so different lyion ? For the most part hes just like the rest of them except for one thing and its not his politics. Look at a picture of him next to the rest of the presidents and you might understand what im trying to tell you.

I would also take you up on that Alan west bet and say that a lot of conservatives would not infact not be happy about it. Guys like you sure but youve got a lot of racists on your team that your downplaying.

Your right a lot of my politics match up with socialism but i think cops are thugs and guns are great. No ones perfect were all human but that tends to be the team im in agreement with a lot of the time. Your a republican who hates gun surely you know the feeling. Im a socialist then it comes to things like unions and healthcare and such.

Im more 1099 than I am unemployed but im not on any govt handouts as you would say at all and getting by about to move and find a full time gig on top of what im already doing. i hate to pull a kainne and not talk to much about what I do but its a grey area in my state right now. I havent done my taxes yet its prolly gonna be a nightmare. Far as how much anyone should be taxed well I guess that depends on how much they earn. I think taxes are too low for almost everyone right now but I also think theres way too much waste of tax payer money. I think both cuts and tax increases need to occur but where we would really disagree is on what should be cut.

I think you just did a better job summing up the ghetto stereotype than you did liberals.


Im not feeling like you like me very much lyion


Forgot to add im always trying to talk about issues look at the last few current events threads but you always show up and try to shut me down with some typical republican talking point and that doesnt work real well with me. I countered your counters to what I originally said in the black rambo thread and you never got back to me about it.

[Lyion]

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No dude saying a word doesnt make you a racist, Its all in how you use and how you think about people. Now calling him a kenyan muslim isnt where the racism comes from its the thoughts behind it.Its also all they can say in public without a real shitstorm. WHy is this president so different lyion ? For the most part hes just like the rest of them except for one thing and its not his politics. Look at a picture of him next to the rest of the presidents and you might understand what im trying to tell you.

Yeah, it does. To me saying a nasty term derived from the pre civil war era created to insult and demean black people is a huge insult and a sign of racism, and commenting that a guy who is black and whose father is KENYAN might be Kenyan, and who went to Muslim schools might be Muslim isn't in the same ballpark. I personally do not think he's either, but I'm sure you were fine with the insults and nastiness thrown at W in a far more petty and demeaning manner.

I would also take you up on that Alan west bet and say that a lot of conservatives would not infact not be happy about it. Guys like you sure but youve got a lot of racists on your team that your downplaying.

Honestly, I'm sure there is some racism around but it's not as endemic as you think and it's on both sides.

I think you just did a better job summing up the ghetto stereotype than you did liberals.

So liberals are not their huge ghetto constituency, but 1930s rednecks are the GOP? Got it. I'm not sure why you are equating people for smaller government with Deliverance, but to me it's silly. Stop stereotyping and painting wide swaths of people as something they are not.

Im not feeling like you like me very much lyion

Forgot to add im always trying to talk about issues look at the last few current events threads but you always show up and try to shut me down with some typical republican talking point and that doesnt work real well with me. I countered your counters to what I originally said in the black rambo thread and you never got back to me about it.

In all honesty, I don't know you but I personally don't like to be branded a racist because I'm pro smaller government. I lean somewhat libertarian and want government out of society as much as possible, especially at the personal level.

I don't think you actually addressed what I was discussing, but instead threw a lot of stereotypes out there and took an 'us and them' approach, similar to how you seem to do against law enforcement and in other discussions. To me it's not a black and white issue. My views are mine. I'm not pro any political party since I believe both of them use wedge issues to generate cash from the average low information voter, and leverage large checks for special interests from bigger groups.

[Spazz]

No dude really words are just words its what is behind them that really matters. GWB got dogged on for being a moron no one thought he was some kind of foreigner Manchurian candidate. THis isnt about gwb no one called him a cracker or acted like he was a russian spy stop play games lyion.


No again lyion the republican party isnt rednecks from the 30s they are rednecks from right now. But the mindset hasnt changed a whole lot.

Again no one branded you a racist I just told you to check the company you keep cuz your in the racist tent. If you such an independent thinker than why are you almost always towing the company line and sounding like fox news?

[brinstar]

Here's a response Infomercial I'm sure you and the lefties en mass will cheer for, Brin. It has all the DNC talking points recycled and polished.



The funny thing is this speech is identical to his campaign last year. Huzzah for idiot low information voters and talking points.

Double huzzah for the amazingly stupid surge comment regarding Iraq too.

the things he says are good, but most of his policies have not reflected those things. maybe you might understand what this is like, being an only slightly-retarded libertarian surrounded by a sea of deep red full-tards, but i am in a very frustrating section of the political spectrum. from my perspective, there are only two parties in power: one that lies and says it wants to do things that i don't actually want them to do and then goes out and does something even worse, and another who lies and says it wants to do things that sound like a good idea to me and then goes out and does something i don't like at all. sound familiar? i bet as long as i don't specify which is which to me, you would agree. oh, and before you lump me in with all the other "lefties" please review my posting history - i'm sure you'll find plenty of examples where i speak against actions the DNC has taken which frustrate/disgust/sadden me.

honestly, one of the (less) frustrating parts about this malaise i feel about the idiotic actions of today's center-left is that they should know better. the kentucky teatards currently at the wheel of the GOP bus? hell yeah, i totally expect them to do stupid, bigoted, and idiotic things with their power. but a black community organizer from the south side who fought social injustice and grew up to become a constitutional professor pulling shit like secret drone kill lists? mofo knows better than that. it's almost worse... but not quite.

so maybe the next time you're about to accuse me of making the opposition out to be the "enemy" you should 1) stop doing the same to YOUR opposition and then 2) realize that nothing is that simple.


i'm not going to comment on the nigga discussion because i think you're both right

[Lyion]

No again lyion the republican party isnt rednecks from the 30s they are rednecks from right now. But the mindset hasnt changed a whole lot.

They aren't, Spazz, just like the average Dem is not a ghetto ass bitch. That's pretty much my whole point. Well, that and any adult man using the N word is being silly. Then again, I don't quite get the 'a/er' difference to the n word. I just have never used it, won't allow my kids to use it, and frown when I hear anyone else using it, which is pretty much only idiot local kids, or 30somethings who still listen to eminem.

[Spazz]

The n word is one of the most retarded sounding statements that white people in our country use. Your acting like if you say the word the world will end or a mob of black guys will show up at your door and beat you down. I dont frown at the sound of any word but at the ideas behind some of the things I hear people say. You also make it sound like if people just wouldnt use the word nigger racism would be over with.

Also I didnt know that anybody at all still listened to eminem

Then again, I don't quite get the 'a/er' difference to the n word

Now whos being ignorant. Niggas are dudes your friends and anyone you encounter depending on where you are it might be the most common word you hear. Nigger on the other hand is often dropped in secret in hateful conversations and by the police when doing there brutalize poor people act.

Like this ... what chall niggaz up to... Common way to ask your friends what they are up to no one gets offended.

Not like this... What are you niggers doing. That might get ya some looks.

Its really all about the intent of what you were saying no matter what you are saying and not the words themselves that matter so much.

Would it freak you out if a black dude called you a nigga ? I dont even notice most of the time cuz we all niggaz... Do you get what im saying ?

I think saying the n word is more offensive than the word nigger cuz it implies that a certin class of people is so fragile that if you say a word it will devastate them

You keep making me think of this





That guy is scared to death that if he says it it will be the end of him and thats fuckin silly

[Drem]

all i know about the n bomb is that the only people i see getting upset about it are the ones that think you shouldn't say it

not the 7' black dude i worked with that called me his nigga every day. not the italian dude that grew up in reno sayin it 25x a day in the kitchen workin alongside black dudes. it's like saying "my man" or "my brother" or whatever

and now because of this new scene of idiot girl MCs like Kreayshawn and V-Nasty, the word is getting actually mainstream use by white people. that is pretty bugged, but KRS one called it way back in 95

"What goes around comes around - now we got white kids callin themselves niggers/
The tables turned as the crosses burned, Remember YOU MUST LEARN."

[Spazz]

not the 7' black dude i worked with that called me his nigga every day. not the italian dude that grew up in reno sayin it 25x a day in the kitchen workin alongside black dudes. it's like saying "my man" or "my brother" or whatever

Pretty much dude. i say it all the time cuz its such a normal word to hear. When you become niggaz with a bunch of dudes you see everyday it just becomes automatic

[Harrison]

New Bedford is full of people that call each other nigga, and it's not offensive. (It's oddly hilarious that the people taking offense to it, are white, much like how you are doing so now Lyion.)

It's stupid, but so is most of what inner city slime let fall from their mouths.

There's always some uppity whiny bitch on the internet crying about racial injustice of the N word, and they're white. (Not you in this case Lyion, but I can link examples.)

Over sensitivity is more racist than actual racist actions, IMO. They don't want your sympathy any more than you want to see the N word.

[Drem]

yup

[brinstar]

Over sensitivity is more racist than actual racist actions, IMO.

that's a really interesting statement and i see what you're getting at, but i don't think i can quite agree. burning a cross in someone's yard is still "more racist" than trying to avoid offending someone with your words, because at least if you're trying to avoid offending someone there's an element of "i actually give a shit but don't know any better way"