I can't believe you fuckers are still here

[Arlos]

Also: Massive tax hikes? What massive tax hikes? I certainly don't recall any tax hikes under Obama, other than upping the rate on the highest earners by like 3%, to what it was under Clinton. Oooh, such a massive increase, I didn't know how the country survived.

[brinstar]

To Alex and Arlos,

Obama and Hillary are chomping at the bit to get guns eradicated... you and I both know it. Try bullshitting somebody else as it's not gonna work on me. The democrats, despite their lies of "I don't want to take away your gun rights" will appoint left wing activist justices to the supreme court if given the chance. Their next step is to bring the second amendment into question to the courts. In addition to democrats' failed economic policies, massive tax hikes, and reprehensible social issue viewpoints, the second amendment is in jeopardy. Never ever ever Hillary. Never. She will fuck Americans hard... harder than obama.

a) no they're not you gullible child
b) 2A is not now, and has not been, under attack. idk what hillary will do, but we're over 90% of the way through the obama years and he hasn't put a fingerprint on your precious penis extensions. personally i wish he WOULD order the confiscation of firearms from civilians, then maybe morons like you would have to find something less lethal to measure your fragile manhood by
c) it is demonstrable fact that the american economy does better under democratic administrations than it does under republican administrations, this has been empirically true for decades
d) as arlos said, what massive tax hikes? [citation needed]
e) sorry about your complete lack of critical thinking skills, maybe you should see if you qualify for SSI

i'm still not a hillary fan, for a variety of reasons - but all this is just pure infowars-level tinfoil hat idiocy

[Narrock]

To Alex and Arlos,

Obama and Hillary are chomping at the bit to get guns eradicated... you and I both know it. Try bullshitting somebody else as it's not gonna work on me. The democrats, despite their lies of "I don't want to take away your gun rights" will appoint left wing activist justices to the supreme court if given the chance. Their next step is to bring the second amendment into question to the courts. In addition to democrats' failed economic policies, massive tax hikes, and reprehensible social issue viewpoints, the second amendment is in jeopardy. Never ever ever Hillary. Never. She will fuck Americans hard... harder than obama.

a) no they're not you gullible child
b) 2A is not now, and has not been, under attack. idk what hillary will do, but we're over 90% of the way through the obama years and he hasn't put a fingerprint on your precious penis extensions. personally i wish he WOULD order the confiscation of firearms from civilians, then maybe morons like you would have to find something less lethal to measure your fragile manhood by
c) it is demonstrable fact that the american economy does better under democratic administrations than it does under republican administrations, this has been empirically true for decades
d) as arlos said, what massive tax hikes? [citation needed]
e) sorry about your complete lack of critical thinking skills, maybe you should see if you qualify for SSI

i'm still not a hillary fan, for a variety of reasons - but all this is just pure infowars-level tinfoil hat idiocy

Your cuntiness makes me not even want to respond.

[brinstar]

good

fuck you

[Narrock]

good

fuck you

Same to you, you blissfully-ignorant cunt. I actually wish you were smarter so we could actually have a rational discussion, but you've proven time and again that you're incapable of that. Must suck to be you.

[brinstar]

last word

[Jay]

[brinstar]

it's such a chore

[Jay]

it's such a chore

It's self inflicted punishment.

[brinstar]

to some extent maybe

whether it's a troll acct or if it's legit doesn't really matter, because either way it serves an important reminder that there ARE real people out there who ARE this stupid and hateful and ignorant and bigoted and antagonistic

the more good people i meet and branch out to, the harder it gets to remember that there is an entire subset of america who actually swallows this xenophobic conspiracist mung whole and then shits it out all over anything and everything within reach

in other words it's good to see the worst of america from time to time because then we know how far we still have yet to go

[Jay]

to some extent maybe

whether it's a troll acct or if it's legit doesn't really matter, because either way it serves an important reminder that there ARE real people out there who ARE this stupid and hateful and ignorant and bigoted and antagonistic

the more good people i meet and branch out to, the harder it gets to remember that there is an entire subset of america who actually swallows this xenophobic conspiracist mung whole and then shits it out all over anything and everything within reach

in other words it's good to see the worst of america from time to time because then we know how far we still have yet to go

If you're not trying to understand his viewpoint or convince him to change his mind, then what's the point? All you're doing is reacting and insulting him, which is exactly what he came here to get you do. We do have a long way to go, but the common liberal practice of smug retort doesn't get us anywhere. It just makes the righties stand firmer and push harder, and hey, I'm totally fine with it in this case. It's funny to see Mindia make you guys dance. I just wanted to point out that you're dancing in place, not moving in any direction with this.

[brinstar]

meh

don't stroke yourself too hard jay

[Jay]

meh

don't stroke yourself too hard jay

You come to NT everyday and preach on about how this country can be made better and you accuse me of stroking myself? I don't think you're wrong much in your ideas but then you lower yourself to an internet brat and it doesn't do anything and you make it sound like it's some hard road that needs to be traveled. It's fucking Mindia dude. Get over yourself.

[brinstar]

that's exactly my point, it's mindia, who cares, nothing is real, nothing matters, etc

he picks his 43520th NT fight and some people have some fun engaging, so you throw around smug-ass popcorn smileys and take potshots from the gallery? christ do you want a medal or something

oh my yes, on a 15-year-old backwater message board about a long-dead video game, you loudly ride the very highest of horses. congrats what an accomplishment lmao

[Zanchief]

Jay's been doing this to me for years. Welcome to my world, Brin. He acts like a sanctimonious prick about other people acting like sanctimonious pricks. I'd ignore him, but he's like 1/5th of all the action here.

[brinstar]

jay: lol i can't believe u got trolled again i'm so much nobler than to engage in such low ways
me: *trolls jay*
jay: WELL I NEVER

[brinstar]

anyway basketball is bad and is for people who are silly, truck drivers have more axles than brain cells, arlos needs joints because of his joints, lick finawin's inner thigh, everything sucks mega shitdicks forever etc etc etc amen

[Jay]

Say what you want about me but I just feel like liberals whine about everything but then do the same thing back to anyone with opposing viewpoints and it bugs me because I agree with all the lefty things and want to support it but then you turn around and act like smug righties when people disagree. You got me. How people treat each other actually bothers me. I think you and Mindia could have an interesting and civil discussion but you choose to troll each other so it ends up being a wasteful read (to me). I only go at you because I, and probably everyone here, kinda gave up on Mindia. He's gonna troll cuz trolls troll, though you guys always go for the bait. /shrug

[leah]

faaaaaaaaaaaaart

The rate at which you buy into inane propaganda is disturbing. Your life doesn't suck because of Obama or Hillary, it sucks because of you

omg the "faaaaaaaaaart" made me gigglesnort out loud at work

also i second harriwin's assessment: you can be pro-gun and pro-gun control at the same time. duh.

RELATEDLY, the other day a friend was explaining to me some study she read about how conservatives are black-and-white thinkers who only see things in absolutes, while more liberal-minded people are willing to delve into the grey area. that is never more apparent than it is when derplord starts farting all over everything.

[brinstar]

though you guys always go for the bait. /shrug

QED here's your trophy

[leah]

whoops i missed this whole other page of nonsense and catfighting. don't mind me, just trying to contribute!

to alex's point re: catching a glimpse of how far we still have to go, i present this... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/us/po ... rters.html

it's terrifying. this whole election is stirring up my anxiety even more than all the shit going on in my personal life. i feel powerless and like we're hurtling toward a collapse at light speed but there's nothing that can be done.

and jay, i also really struggle with the way people treat each other, and it's probably the main reason i identify with socialism. everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity and care. that's why trump scares me so much. all the hatred. it's crushing and suffocating.

[brinstar]

I think you and Mindia could have an interesting and civil discussion but you choose to troll each other so it ends up being a wasteful read (to me).

okay fine realpost

first of all, with maybe a few exceptions ("hey you'd like this game/band/show, check it out") nobody posts here out of concern for whether others will think it's a wasteful read or not - in fact possibly even the opposite - so unless the original intent of a post was specifically aimed at not wasting your time, it's kinda your fault for letting your time get wasted in the first place isn't it?

but more to the point - every once in a blue moon (read: typically after a expires) mindia will come in and be like "hay guyz i'm nice now" and we do actually have what passes for decent discussion for a brief period

but it never lasts. invariably either a) he will make some wild claim ("OBUMMER IS COMIN FER MAH GUNZ") and become increasingly frustrated with any attempts, no matter how polite and nonconfrontational and well-reasoned, to point out how there is zero evidence of such claim being remotely plausible, or b) someone whose political/moral/ethical viewpoints are rooted in evidence and/or a different set of (non-)faith-based values will sack-tap him right in the self-righteousness scrote. then there's an instant kneejerk reaction, he stops reading posts and starts cherrypicking tangential things to harp on instead, and before you know it it's nothing but cunt this and liberal brainwashing that and other rando dumbass tripe

point being, any interesting and civil discussion of the issues of our time requires all parties involved to understand how interesting and civil discussion of the issues of our time is supposed to work. you offer your views, you back them up with evidence, and you ask others to (re)consider their views based on the strength of your argument. on the flipside, there is also a tacit agreement that YOU will listen to others' views and the evidence they use to back them up, and you agree to (re)consider YOUR views based on the strength of THEIR argument. you need both, because no discussion in which less than 100% of the parties involved are in agreement on this requirement of mutuality can remain civil and interesting (or even on-topic); it's just a simulacrum of a real discussion which can only maintain the illusion of usefulness for so long

so really when you say "haha you got trolled by mindia once again, aren't i a gem for not falling for it" it's actually pretty cynical. each time i engage it's because i want to believe that maybe THIS time he has somehow learned how to consider different viewpoints without taking them as personal attacks or attempts to subvert and ruin what he thinks is good and just about america. his inevitable degradation into bigotry and cheerleading for the worst people/ideas humankind can conjure and the unrepentant namecalling is nothing but one more "not yet, apparently"

or yeah, maybe it is just 100% a game. then again maybe i'm not cynical enough to believe it yet.

[Zanchief]

Say what you want about me but I just feel like liberals whine about everything but then do the same thing back to anyone with opposing viewpoints and it bugs me because I agree with all the lefty things and want to support it but then you turn around and act like smug righties when people disagree. You got me. How people treat each other actually bothers me. I think you and Mindia could have an interesting and civil discussion but you choose to troll each other so it ends up being a wasteful read (to me). I only go at you because I, and probably everyone here, kinda gave up on Mindia. He's gonna troll cuz trolls troll, though you guys always go for the bait. /shrug

As do you, Jay. See thread about Hillary Clinton. I don't mind going a few rounds on NT. It's really all it's good for, but we don't need a hypocritical nanny pleading that we all get a long, all the while slinging just as much shit as the rest of us.

If Leah pleaded for us to all get along, I'd be like ahh cute, pointless but cute. When you do it, I'm like aren't you the prick that was advocating fat shaming like 6 months ago? right...whatever you say...

[Jay]

I don't have any power over you people. All I did was ask why and what the point was. He went into this thing about wasting his time countering Mindia being some sort of long hard road approach and I simply don't see what it accomplishes. I think it's funny, but I also think for as serious as he takes his politics, it's an unfortunate waste that they aren't actually talking about anything.

Its like how you sometimes like or dislike things, but your uber hate of mobile games is weird to me so I always remark upon it.

[Zanchief]

I stand by the mostly inept track record of mobile games.