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This forum ended up being a failure. It became a haven for ignorant secular morons to poke fun at Christians/Christianity. It's no wonder why Ganzo even hardly ever posts here anymore.

If you wish for people to respect your religious beliefs, you need to be willing to respect their beliefs or lack of beliefs.

Gidan wrote:If you wish for people to respect your religious beliefs, you need to be willing to respect their beliefs or lack of beliefs.

How about the seculars start with respecting Christianity. NM... I know that will never happen.

There's a difference between respecting and wanting to live under the rules of. I respect Christians plenty, but that doesn't mean I want to live my life under Christian tenets, when I'm not Christian myself.

-Arlos

Why wouldn't you want to live under Christian tenets? They are pretty much just logic and common sense. Like the Ten Commandments, for example.

common sense? when was the last time you kept the 4th one (keeping the sabbath day) other then seventh day adventist i know of no christians who keep this

and dont give me "it was changed to sunday" bullshit. it was changed by the catholic church to show the catholic church's temporal authority

Some Christian tenets are just fine. Indeed, I respect the lessons from Christ himself far more than I respect those of the religion that purports to follow him. If the entire Christian dogma was based around the one rule Christ declared to be the most important, to love oen another as you would love him, I doubt I would have any disagreements with them at all. Unfortunately, that is not how modern Christianity tends to operate, so on many issues I disagree with them completely.

Sex before marriage is just one example. I don't see anything wrong with it between two consenting adults, yet it's a "sin".

I also am just fine with gay people getting married to people of the same sex, and don't see how anyone or anything is harmed by allowing them to do so.

Heck, if you want a flippant example directly from the 10 commandments, what exactly is wrong with coveting a neighbor's goods? I can't want a Porsche if my neighbor just bought a new 911? TAKING it would be wrong, but DESIRING it is what drives capitalism, after all...

I also don't like the tendencies towards authoritarian dogmatic stances that religious groups get, especially if they have political power. I consider Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler and The Spanish Inquisition (who expects it?) to be cautionary examples of what potentially happens if religious groups are allowed temporal power. I could go on listing points of difference, but I don't think it's necessary.

Ultimately, as you know, there's lots of social items or things people do that I have seen you object to as perverted or "wrong" that I simply don't have a problem with, as long as the people involved with it are both or all consenting adults and no one is getting really hurt. Doesn't mean *I* have any interest in partaking, necessarily, obviously. I simply think that everyone has their own path to walk, and what is right for them is not necessarily what is right for anyone else, and neither I nor any organization have any right to try and force them off their chosen life path, so long as they aren't harming anyone thereby. Christianity, as a dogmatic institution, DOES try to so dictate, and that is why I cannot accept it as a dominant institution. (for one example, just see the Chick Tract people)

I completely respect your choice of how to live your life, in accordance with your beliefs and principles. I would never try and gainsay your choices, or tell you in any way that what you are doing is wrong, even though it's not in any way the path for me. So, as I said to begin with, I can respect your faith and your choices, without having any desire to live my life the same way, or under the same set of tenets. Until Dogmatic Christianity returns the favor of not trying to tell me that I am "wrong" for being Pagan and living my life by a different set of principles, I will be at odds with it, even as I respect the rights of the individual members to live their lives as they wish, just not any right to try and impose their choices on me.

-Arlos

jesus was a taoist

Narrock wrote:Why wouldn't you want to live under Christian tenets? They are pretty much just logic and common sense. Like the Ten Commandments, for example.

They are logical, and make a lot of common sense, but the rest of the Bible and religion of Christianity makes very little sense to a lot of people. Right where the old and new testaments split, for example. Lots of discrepancies and you can't just renig and change the rules halfway through the game. Well, men think they can, see how they did. In the Bible. Ultimately though, you are correct, and I've always said that even without Psalms and Proverbs, man would come up with a code of ethics. Wait, they already did. See, the Bible. Jesus was a man. So were Confucius, Buddah, Lao Tzu, Sun Tzu, and many more wise men looking for answers.

When people think they've got life figured out because they're part of a religion, I don't think they understand religion

roflz...

mindia: Peoplez need to respect me.
Gidan: mutual respect, dude
mindia: they have to start


I honestly believe that Mindia is the least Christ-like person on this board. Nobody else is NEARLY so abrasive, pushy and holier-than-thou. To top it all off, he's constantly coming back and fucking up in exact ways that he preached against.

And, one more lolz at Arlos picking "premarital sex" as a rule he's not cool with.

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oh, I just realized why that quote in your sig is so hilarious.

haw, i'm slow.

i nominate myself as the most christ-like member of this board

no

too late

You all need to bask in the glow of the FSM

he knows all
he sees all

he mostly doesn't give a fuck, but he still knows all and sees all

Have YOU been touched by His Noodly Appendage, Tikker?

-Arlos

You've got some Meatball sauce on your lips.