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God=Jesus=The Holy Spirit. 3-in-1. Pretty awesome.
Mindia wrote:To continue this most excellent thread...
Cat wants proof of the existence of God... It's Jesus. There's plenty of proof that He existed. God=Jesus=The Holy Spirit. 3-in-1. Pretty awesome.
Anyway, I cannot think of any proof nowadays that God exists and is among us. It's all faith-based.
Here's my take on it... I believe that it's better to live your life like there is a God, than to live your life like there isn't a God. Because when and (if) there truly is a "judgment day" I wouldn't want to be standing in the line of folks who didn't believe in God, and who did not live their life the way God intended (in the Bible).
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
Muglack wrote:Because potheads are undecisive, useless, and an overall burden on society. Not to mention that 90% of potheads think they're smart, the result of which is they get high and then sit around in one of their basements and have these "conversations" where everything will be deep and meaningful. This of course always leads to Religion because what could be deeper then that? Then the leader of the potheads, normally the one that arranges pick ups but in some cases the one in the group that has an IQ verging on normal, says something profound like "If god like, exsists and stuff, like why haven't I ever seen him, at least that I can remember seeing him, cause maybe I saw him and didn't know it, but I doubt it cause he's god so he'd be big and he'd glow and stuff." To which all the other retards, err potheads, start nodding in unison as if some great darkness had been lifted. They then decide that God can't be real because if he was he would of certainly shown himself to the Greaseball that had just shown them the path to eternal happiness.
Muglack wrote:God=Jesus=The Holy Spirit. 3-in-1. Pretty awesome.
Jesus was the son of God, and not God himself. The Holy Spirit is a completely seperate entity on it's own. If Jesus and God are the same "being" then God is a Satanist, and that opens a whole new can of beans.
Muglack wrote:Because potheads are undecisive, useless, and an overall burden on society. Not to mention that 90% of potheads think they're smart, the result of which is they get high and then sit around in one of their basements and have these "conversations" where everything will be deep and meaningful. This of course always leads to Religion because what could be deeper then that? Then the leader of the potheads, normally the one that arranges pick ups but in some cases the one in the group that has an IQ verging on normal, says something profound like "If god like, exsists and stuff, like why haven't I ever seen him, at least that I can remember seeing him, cause maybe I saw him and didn't know it, but I doubt it cause he's god so he'd be big and he'd glow and stuff." To which all the other retards, err potheads, start nodding in unison as if some great darkness had been lifted. They then decide that God can't be real because if he was he would of certainly shown himself to the Greaseball that had just shown them the path to eternal happiness.
fuffalobukker wrote:Muglack wrote:God=Jesus=The Holy Spirit. 3-in-1. Pretty awesome.
Jesus was the son of God, and not God himself. The Holy Spirit is a completely seperate entity on it's own. If Jesus and God are the same "being" then God is a Satanist, and that opens a whole new can of beans.
Hi I don't know if someone responded to this or not, but you're knowledge of Jesus and God is somewhat lacking. In the Christian religon they are all the same person, and it' something that nonbelievers point out as one of the great contradictions in the bible. As he is referred to as the same being, and as seperate beings all in the same bible.
Although Jesus is the son of God, they are 'one', along with the holy spirit, they form the holy trinity, but still one being. There's no real explination I can give you, or anyone can give you to explain it, acording to religous leaders they will tell you something like "It's too complicated for the human mind to fully grasp" or something like that.
So as far as christianity is concerned, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one in the same.
-fuffalo
PS - don't we hang out with potheads? they dont seem like that to me
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
vonkaar wrote:fuffalobukker wrote:Muglack wrote:God=Jesus=The Holy Spirit. 3-in-1. Pretty awesome.
Jesus was the son of God, and not God himself. The Holy Spirit is a completely seperate entity on it's own. If Jesus and God are the same "being" then God is a Satanist, and that opens a whole new can of beans.
Hi I don't know if someone responded to this or not, but you're knowledge of Jesus and God is somewhat lacking. In the Christian religon they are all the same person, and it' something that nonbelievers point out as one of the great contradictions in the bible. As he is referred to as the same being, and as seperate beings all in the same bible.
Although Jesus is the son of God, they are 'one', along with the holy spirit, they form the holy trinity, but still one being. There's no real explination I can give you, or anyone can give you to explain it, acording to religous leaders they will tell you something like "It's too complicated for the human mind to fully grasp" or something like that.
So as far as christianity is concerned, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one in the same.
-fuffalo
PS - don't we hang out with potheads? they dont seem like that to me
Actually... only about half of the Christians believe in a Trinity, the others believe in seperate individuality. So, right off the bat your assumption is off. And, if you want to get into it... your position is already the underdog. The Bible makes references to Jesus being seperate from God about twenty times as many times as it does a Trinity.
Question: If people say that God and Jesus are the same person, why in John 3:16 does it say that God sent his son?
Answer: You write that "people say" that God and Jesus are the same person. Who are the people that say this? The people saying this apparently are not aware of the Bible teaching on this subject.
The Bible, especially the New Testament, teaches there is one God, but that God, unlike us human beings, exists in three Persons; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. When Jesus gave the "Great Commission", He commanded the disciples to baptize the converts in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19) When the apostle Paul gave the benediction to the Corinthian Church, he mentioned all three persons in the Godhead, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2nd Corinthians 13:14). Both the baptismal formula and the benediction would logically require that the three persons, the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit would have to be of Divine nature, and not some lower creature.
Bible Question: "How can God and Jesus be the same person? God calls him his son. Jesus said the Father is greater than I. But Jesus also said, the Father and I are one. What am I missing?"
Bible Answer: This seems to be one of those famous "contradictions" in the Bible that unbelievers like to talk about.
Indeed, Jesus did say the Father is greater than He is, while also saying that He and the Father are one, or the same.
But it's not a contradiction, just one of those great Bible truths that is far too deep for any human mind like ours to fully grasp.
Q Are God and Jesus the same person?
A Hard question because the answer is the mystery of the Trinity - Jesus is one of the three persons, (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) in our one God
It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticism that three are one and one is three, and yet, that the one is not three, and the three not one...
-- Jefferson s Works, Vol. IV, p. 205, Randolph's ed., quoted from John E. Remsberg, The Christ
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
Actually... only about half of the Christians believe in a Trinity, the others believe in seperate individuality.
vonkaar wrote:Fuffalo... you aren't speaking as one with experience. You are assuming that most Christian faiths believe in a Trinity. Also, I'm using the word Trinity for simplicity... I am fully aware that it's not in the Bible. It is similar to a *lot* of Biblical terms in the fact that it's man-made. For a concise thread, "Trinity" will refer to the belief that the 3 persons are a single entity. Get it?
The Catholics are the primary Christian faith that believes in the Trinity. I polled 10(Christian) people at work and 4 of them believed in the Trinity. Most of them go to various non-denominational churches. However, as a 'body' of faith, Christianity is *quite* split...
Southern Baptists believe in the Trinity.
Methodists believe in 3 seperate persons.
Lutherans believe in the Trinity.
Mormons believe in 3 seperate persons.
Catholics believe in the Trinity.
Jehova's Witness' believe in 3 seperate persons.
Presbyterians believe in the Trinity.
Pentecostal(ites? =p) believe in 3 seperate persons.
Unitarians believe in 3 seperate persons.
Seventh-Day-Adventists believe in 3 seperate persons.
Church of Christ believes in 3 seperate persons.
Episcopalians believe in the Trinity.
The whole idea of the Trinity wasn't even practised until the Nicene Council decided that it was necessary. That was 381 years after Jesus died. The explanations back then were sufficient for the simple-minded followers of a faith that was still in its infancy. Compound that with the fact that nobody really owned a Bible for another 1300 years and you *might* see just how antiquated this idea is. As soon as people were able to read for themselves and question this archaic idea, other religions that weren't Trinitarian sprung up.
And... they still call themselves Christians. Wanna know how many Methodists, Pentecostals and Mormons there are in the world? Yeah... that's more than a few 'Christians' that believe in 3 seperate beings. Aaaand, more often than not, most so-called non-denominational churches preach individuality over Trinitarianism. It's typically the more 'modern' religions that realize how hard it is to entertain the masses with notions of a 3-part Godhead... so they adopted the 3 individual entity system.
I have fun quotes too...It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticism that three are one and one is three, and yet, that the one is not three, and the three not one...
-- Jefferson s Works, Vol. IV, p. 205, Randolph's ed., quoted from John E. Remsberg, The Christ
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