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leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
Narrock wrote:Yup, I ... was just trolling.
Narrock wrote:I wikipedia'd everything first.
Ganzo wrote:It is easy to throw down fitness challenges when you are wealthy to eat only good food and can have help for the kids. It is also easy when your occupation keeps you in gym. People like that forget that most moms with 3 kids will be working, often 2 jobs, cooking, cleaning, doing laundry. If they can find time for the gym it will come at the expense of feeding the family with quick processed garbage, defeating the purpose of going to the gym. Our system is not set up to to help keep people healthy and fit because it is not profitable economic structure.
Ganzo wrote:It is easy to throw down fitness challenges when you are wealthy to eat only good food and can have help for the kids. It is also easy when your occupation keeps you in gym. People like that forget that most moms with 3 kids will be working, often 2 jobs, cooking, cleaning, doing laundry. If they can find time for the gym it will come at the expense of feeding the family with quick processed garbage, defeating the purpose of going to the gym. Our system is not set up to to help keep people healthy and fit because it is not profitable economic structure.
Arlos wrote:Also the aggressive stance of the post is going to get people's hackles up.
If it had a more inclusive/positive-oriented message, like, "Hey! You can do this too! Let me help you with how!" and she'd have gotten lots of praise. But by essentially claiming that she's more awesome than everyone else, and that people are inferior if they're not up to her standards, of course she's gonna piss people off.
-Arlos
leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
Jay wrote:This statement is a cop out. Not every mom works 2 jobs, some work 1 or none. Despite working 2 jobs, you still have to go to the grocery store, so the only difference there is the choices you make in food, not the amount of time spent doing it.
Gym's aren't that expensive. I pay 25 a month for my membership to 24hr fitness and that gives me access to every 24hr fitness in the country. Most of the ladies I see there spend maybe an hour a day there 3 days a week and look good. They're not sculpted like Maria Kang but they are in good shape, healthy and attractive. Also, taking walks around your neighborhood (if it's safe to do) or going for a 15-30 minute jog is free.
As for food, you don't need to eat at Whole Foods to eat healthy. Local produce and farmer's markets are pretty inexpensive. When I wanna eat healthy, I think I average paying 4-6 bucks a meal by cooking it myself. That's with lean grass-fed beef, salads, fish, chicken, whatever I want. I get that not everyone can cook, but tossing a salad with light dressing and chopped veggies or tossing a grilled chicken onto a foreman grill isn't hard. Sorry dude, but blaming the economy for lack of fit living is a stretch.
Narrock wrote:Yup, I ... was just trolling.
Narrock wrote:I wikipedia'd everything first.
Ganzo wrote:Jay wrote:This statement is a cop out. Not every mom works 2 jobs, some work 1 or none. Despite working 2 jobs, you still have to go to the grocery store, so the only difference there is the choices you make in food, not the amount of time spent doing it.
Gym's aren't that expensive. I pay 25 a month for my membership to 24hr fitness and that gives me access to every 24hr fitness in the country. Most of the ladies I see there spend maybe an hour a day there 3 days a week and look good. They're not sculpted like Maria Kang but they are in good shape, healthy and attractive. Also, taking walks around your neighborhood (if it's safe to do) or going for a 15-30 minute jog is free.
As for food, you don't need to eat at Whole Foods to eat healthy. Local produce and farmer's markets are pretty inexpensive. When I wanna eat healthy, I think I average paying 4-6 bucks a meal by cooking it myself. That's with lean grass-fed beef, salads, fish, chicken, whatever I want. I get that not everyone can cook, but tossing a salad with light dressing and chopped veggies or tossing a grilled chicken onto a foreman grill isn't hard. Sorry dude, but blaming the economy for lack of fit living is a stretch.
I think you are missing what I said.
Obviously not every mom works two jobs. However the challenge was obviously for the overweight women not the in shape lawyer/doctor wife types.
Here in the Midwest majority of the overweight women are middle class and/or poor. They all usually work, poor often work more than one low pay jobs.
When your kid is older you will realize just how much attention kids demand from parents. And a woman usually going to end up cooking for the family, cleaning, doing laundry for 5, helping kids with school work, giving baths, etc... And that is after full day of work. I swear my wife only works one job and she deserves a monument for all the shit she does after work. I try to help but between working 55 hours' having teleconference meetings at night, doing homework for my Masters and dealing with other shit we have to take turn which one of us actually gets to go to a gym on any given night. I can't imagine what it would be like with 3 kids.
As far as the cost of the gym goes I was not referring to money but time. Cooking for 5 is a time consuming process and good luck getting kids to eat salads. That is why so many parents get pizza or take out or even happy meals. Not because they are lazy, simply because they just don't have time and don't know that that shit is poison.
As far as cost of clean healthy food though, I disagree. It might be better where you live but here in Michigan I can't simply go to a farmer's markets because they are open on Wednesdays from 9:30 until 12:30. I don't know which city idiot thought that that was the good time for that permit, but everyone I know works at that time. My only option is Whole Foods and that store is not cheap at all. On a family of 3 we probably spend good 800 each month there. Not complaining cause I won't eat the pesticide/disease ridden hormonal shit they sell in Walmart regardless but not every family can afford that.
Anyway the point was that she was challenging people to look like her' which people can't do simply by eating healthy, it requires strict regiment and hours in gym, and I pointed out that her expectations were unrealistic.
Finally my last line was not about economy but about industry. Food Industry has no interest in consumers health, they care about profit. How long the product can stay on shelf and how offer people will buy it is what's important, that is why everything I'd filled to the brim with salt, high fructose corn sirup and canola oil, and for good addictive measures packed with aspartame. And of course same companies later publish died articles where they advertise their bullshit diet plans with their bullshit meal replacement shakes and bars or the whole control portion meals shipped to home for an astronomic price.
Anyway done ranting, if what I said didn't make sense it's because I am on Dilaudid for the pain. I had a surgery yesterday and am now hanging out at the hospital
leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
Narrock wrote:Yup, I ... was just trolling.
Narrock wrote:I wikipedia'd everything first.
Zanchief wrote:Also, healthy foods are more expensive mostly because chumps pay for it. Natural, organic, grain fed, pesticide free, no GMO. It's all junk. It's no healthier. Enjoy your miracle Quinoa.
I’ll eat my fat stupid pen raised salmon, and pay a fraction for it. It’s the same.
Narrock wrote:Yup, I ... was just trolling.
Narrock wrote:I wikipedia'd everything first.
Zanchief wrote:Also, healthy foods are more expensive mostly because chumps pay for it. Natural, organic, grain fed, pesticide free, no GMO. It's all junk. It's no healthier. Enjoy your miracle Quinoa.
I’ll eat my fat stupid pen raised salmon, and pay a fraction for it. It’s the same.
leah wrote:i don't see how anyone could argue with that.
Jay wrote:Ganzo wrote:Anyway done ranting, if what I said didn't make sense it's because I am on Dilaudid for the pain. I had a surgery yesterday and am now hanging out at the hospital
Oh shit, what was your surgery for? Hope you're ok bud.
Narrock wrote:Yup, I ... was just trolling.
Narrock wrote:I wikipedia'd everything first.
Ganzo wrote:Zanchief wrote:Also, healthy foods are more expensive mostly because chumps pay for it. Natural, organic, grain fed, pesticide free, no GMO. It's all junk. It's no healthier. Enjoy your miracle Quinoa.
I’ll eat my fat stupid pen raised salmon, and pay a fraction for it. It’s the same.
That is simply wrong. Care to back up your statements with facts?
Ganzo wrote:Jay wrote:Ganzo wrote:Anyway done ranting, if what I said didn't make sense it's because I am on Dilaudid for the pain. I had a surgery yesterday and am now hanging out at the hospital
Oh shit, what was your surgery for? Hope you're ok bud.
Doing better now. I woke up at 1AM on the night from Saturday to Sunday in the worst pain in my solarplex that I ever felt in my life. I though it was bad heartburn but pain was just so much worse. Wife though I was having a heart attack because the symptoms matched and she would know being a cardiology nurce.
Anyway I win an argument about driving myself to the ER instead of waking up my daughter and her friend who was sleeping over and all of them driving me; and go to ER. Long story about horrors of getting admitted to the ER is omitted for later rant. I don't remember much of that night but nurces told me I was kicking the stretcher and screaming in pain.
Turns out my gold bladder was full of stones and one of them was trying to pass into liver and got stuck in the passage. This caused extreme pain and later infection; my gold bladder swole up to a triple size and was hard at a coconut. They cut it out on Wednesday, couldn't use standard procedure where they make a small incision and suck it out through a vacuum tube, instead slicem my belly open so I look like a victim of a Hari Cari.
I didn't even know there was such a thing as gold bladder stones, always hear about kidney stones. But my surgeon told me they are common and caused by a typical American diet of fried meat.
Ganzo wrote:That was my whole issue with this article. Jay you saying that anyone can hit the gym three times a week and eat better, and I completely agree, I'm just saying that no way in hell they will get to her shape in 8 month after delivery dying that.
I'll give you my family as an example. I have a 7 year old daughter. That means that after work I get to make a dinner for a family, while helping her do the homework, because my wife gets off work after me. When my wife gets home we eat, than spend time with our daughter, after she goes to bed we take turns who's night it is to go to gym, while in gym I usually catch up on my recorded TV shows on my tablet.
Both me and my wife are in school, she is finishing her BBA while I am finishing my MBA, so our nights are filled with homework after our daughter is asleep. One of us will also make a lunches for next day at night. As you can see no one has free time to slack off. Just ask the guys I've tried to play EQ with ho much they saw me online.
Weekends are family time. We are firm believers in spending lots of time together because of how busy we are on the weekdays.
Because of this we used to be trying to alow more time for rest we had cut out gym and used to eat a lot of fast food, and both paid a price of quickly gaining weight. Fortunately we we disciplined enough to reverse bad habits and get healthy again. Write did 140 to 180 gain first than dropped back to 135. I went from 160 to 220 but now dropped down to 170.
Biggest change for me was dropping meat and dairy products but now I don't even miss them. I was amazed how many tastes and flavors you can create from vegetables.
leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
Zanchief wrote:
That sounds horrible. I'll look forward to your ER rant. Glad you're better now. Should we expect the return of Ganzo?
Narrock wrote:Yup, I ... was just trolling.
Narrock wrote:I wikipedia'd everything first.
Zanchief wrote:Is she doing this for a living? What's her job? No, Jay, finding an hour a couple of times a week is a big deal. Most people after a full work day, and coming home a taking care of the kids don't have the energy to run off the gym. Good for her if she can. No need to be a jerk about it. I'm sure if we knew more about her I could shame her for a bunch of stuff she does that there is "no excuse" for. Why not try and help them in a positive way?.
leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
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