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• Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed "material support" to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be "terrorist." As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: "Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But -- and read this carefully from the new bill -- 'the intent to relinquish nationality need not be manifested in words, but can be inferred from conduct.'" (Italics Hentoff's.)
• Legal permanent residents (like, say, my French wife), could be deported instantaneously, without a criminal charge or even evidence, if the Attorney General considers them a threat to national security. If they commit minor, non-terrorist offenses, they can still be booted out, without so much as a day in court, because the law would exempt habeas corpus review in some cases. As the American Civil Liberties Union stated in its long brief against the DSEA, "Congress has not exempted any person from habeas corpus -- a protection guaranteed by the Constitution -- since the Civil War”
• The government would be instructed to build a mammoth database of citizen DNA information, aimed at "detecting, investigating, prosecuting, preventing or responding to terrorist activities." Samples could be collected without a court order; one need only be suspected of wrongdoing by a law enforcement officer. Those refusing the cheek-swab could be fined $200,000 and jailed for a year. "Because no federal genetic privacy law regulates DNA databases, privacy advocates fear that the data they contain could be misused," Wired News reported March 31. "People with 'flawed' DNA have already suffered genetic discrimination at the hands of employers, insurance companies and the government."
• Authorities could wiretap anybody for 15 days, and snoop on anyone's Internet usage (including chat and email), all without obtaining a warrant.
• Businesses that rat on their customers to the Feds -- even if the information violates privacy agreements, or is, in fact, dead wrong -- would be granted immunity. "Such immunity," the ACLU contended, "could provide an incentive for neighbor to spy on neighbor and pose problems similar to those inherent in Attorney General Ashcroft's Operation TIPS."
• American citizens could be subject to secret surveillance by their own government on behalf of foreign countries, including dictatorships.
• Police officers carrying out illegal searches would also be granted legal immunity if they were just carrying out orders.
Diekan wrote:Have any of you actually taken the time to READ through the Patriot Act II? Here’s a few little tid bits to quench your curiosity:• Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed "material support" to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be "terrorist." As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: "Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But -- and read this carefully from the new bill -- 'the intent to relinquish nationality need not be manifested in words, but can be inferred from conduct.'" (Italics Hentoff's.)
• Legal permanent residents (like, say, my French wife), could be deported instantaneously, without a criminal charge or even evidence, if the Attorney General considers them a threat to national security. If they commit minor, non-terrorist offenses, they can still be booted out, without so much as a day in court, because the law would exempt habeas corpus review in some cases. As the American Civil Liberties Union stated in its long brief against the DSEA, "Congress has not exempted any person from habeas corpus -- a protection guaranteed by the Constitution -- since the Civil War”
• The government would be instructed to build a mammoth database of citizen DNA information, aimed at "detecting, investigating, prosecuting, preventing or responding to terrorist activities." Samples could be collected without a court order; one need only be suspected of wrongdoing by a law enforcement officer. Those refusing the cheek-swab could be fined $200,000 and jailed for a year. "Because no federal genetic privacy law regulates DNA databases, privacy advocates fear that the data they contain could be misused," Wired News reported March 31. "People with 'flawed' DNA have already suffered genetic discrimination at the hands of employers, insurance companies and the government."
• Authorities could wiretap anybody for 15 days, and snoop on anyone's Internet usage (including chat and email), all without obtaining a warrant.
• Businesses that rat on their customers to the Feds -- even if the information violates privacy agreements, or is, in fact, dead wrong -- would be granted immunity. "Such immunity," the ACLU contended, "could provide an incentive for neighbor to spy on neighbor and pose problems similar to those inherent in Attorney General Ashcroft's Operation TIPS."
• American citizens could be subject to secret surveillance by their own government on behalf of foreign countries, including dictatorships.
• Police officers carrying out illegal searches would also be granted legal immunity if they were just carrying out orders.
Mindia wrote:I was wrong obviously.
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:Lol and his true conspiracy theory surfaces and rears its ugly head with teeth beared ready to scream "waaaah"
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:This is why you're washed up, you just talk shit. You babble on like a rabid hippy.
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:Eminem is a fucking retard, I lost a lot of respect for him because of his current ignorance.
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:Tossica wrote:BLAH BLAH BLAH *wipes the foam from mouth* IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOU ARE A DUMBYHEAD
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:That WAS ignorance you just posted.
No that means you voted for Bush because he has your same stance on issues that are important to you. Just because YOU dont agree, that doesnt make the others ignorant.
You're an idiot and that barely requires me to point out.
All in all your post was by far the most ignorant for today.
How is voting for someone who supports or has a stance equal or similar to your own ignorant?
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:You claim I cant say anything for myself, every single time I have. And then someone comes and says the same thing better. And I point out that they just said what I had, but better...and I cant think for myself?
It's ridiculously obvious you just dont like me or my views and you're grasping straws to try and "own" me. Failing miserably by blatantly lying.
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:Lyion :love: most of the time says everything Ive said already just more calm. How is that riding his coat tails?
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:I admit this and bow to him saying he did it better saying everything I have and more.
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:What Lyion :love: said came after what I said.
He just said what I did better
That's what he said later. Same idea except he just words it differently.
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:I voted for Bush because I know if we're going to be attacked again he wont take any shit. From anyone.
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:I could explain it more calmly, but I dont give two shits what people think about my opinion. Because it is a VERY valid opinion.
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:Lyion has said everything I need to, Im not much of a debater.
Lyion wrote:I have called Vonkaar and conceded defeat.
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
Finawin Darkfyre wrote:Taxx you haven't done much more than "Bush is an idiot"
Lyion wrote:everyone knows secretly he's more conservative than anyone here
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
vonkaar wrote: I was just talking to Azlana about some of these recent rants... one bit was the Death-Penalty debate. My comments went something like, "heh, I don't really care about the Death-Penalty... it's just an easy debate."
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
Gaazy wrote:Now vonk on the other hand, is one of the most self absorbed know it alls in my memory of this site. Ive always thought so, and I still cant understand why in gods name he is here
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