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Here's the dictionary definition of morality:
The relation of conformity or nonconformity to the moral
standard or rule
Interesting. Why do you have a strict sense of morality?
From where does your Morality stem?
I don't necessarily agree with wrath, but he brings some interesting points.
Wrath Child wrote:Tuggan wrote:there was law well before the bible dipshit.
You don't say! So I'm guessing anything that becomes legal under the law is OK with you then? That means slavery was right, because it was the law! How about that! I won't bother to mention what's going on in your future homeland, North Korea since it's all fine and dandy with you what "dear leader" is doing to his people. Because it's the LAW! I like that! It's the law! How convenient.
Maybe we could change the law and kill off all females past the ripe old age of 25. Gah, all those wrinkles are just hideous to have to look at! We just need to make it the law and it's all good with Tuggan!
Wrath Child wrote:Tuggan wrote:there was law well before the bible dipshit.
You don't say! So I'm guessing anything that becomes legal under the law is OK with you then? That means slavery was right, because it was the law! How about that! I won't bother to mention what's going on in your future homeland, North Korea since it's all fine and dandy with you what "dear leader" is doing to his people. Because it's the LAW! I like that! It's the law! How convenient.
Maybe we could change the law and kill off all females past the ripe old age of 25. Gah, all those wrinkles are just hideous to have to look at! We just need to make it the law and it's all good with Tuggan!
You can do ANYTHING you can get away with and there's no need to worry about consequences.
Yamori wrote:If you don't believe in a higher power, then there really is no right or wrong. No good or evil. No sins to ask to be forgiven. Does the wolf ask the deer to forgive him for devouring her fawn? Of course not! That's the beauty of being an atheist! As long as you're the most powerful in any given situation, you're RIGHT!
Uh, no.
I'm an atheist and I have a very strict sense of morality.
Whats good is what furthers human life, whats evil is that which hinders it.
There are many people that come to my city for the generous benefits we offer. They take and take but only replace what they take with grief: theft, shootings, stabbings, rape and murder. If we were able to round them all up and permanently remove them from our society here, it would further our community. Our streets would be far safer. Our schools would once again become places of learning rather than daycare for future criminals. So does that makes them evil in your eyes.
I would imagine the same can be said for the disabled. Shall we kill everyone born with Downs Syndrome at birth? And Cerebral palsy? They certainly don't further human evolution yet they eat up tremendous resources better spent elsewhere.
Gidan wrote:Wrath Child wrote:Tuggan wrote:there was law well before the bible dipshit.
You don't say! So I'm guessing anything that becomes legal under the law is OK with you then? That means slavery was right, because it was the law! How about that! I won't bother to mention what's going on in your future homeland, North Korea since it's all fine and dandy with you what "dear leader" is doing to his people. Because it's the LAW! I like that! It's the law! How convenient.
Maybe we could change the law and kill off all females past the ripe old age of 25. Gah, all those wrinkles are just hideous to have to look at! We just need to make it the law and it's all good with Tuggan!
So you admit there were laws that were not based upon religious beliefs.
Yes you make statements like thisYou can do ANYTHING you can get away with and there's no need to worry about consequences.
Your statements are not adding up.
Gidan wrote:If you don’t believe in God/Gods you don’t believe in the rule of law, you care for nothing other then yourself. If that were the case then an Atheist wouldn't be an Atheist at all, they would believe that they were God.
Wrath Child wrote:Gidan wrote:Wrath Child wrote:Tuggan wrote:there was law well before the bible dipshit.
You don't say! So I'm guessing anything that becomes legal under the law is OK with you then? That means slavery was right, because it was the law! How about that! I won't bother to mention what's going on in your future homeland, North Korea since it's all fine and dandy with you what "dear leader" is doing to his people. Because it's the LAW! I like that! It's the law! How convenient.
Maybe we could change the law and kill off all females past the ripe old age of 25. Gah, all those wrinkles are just hideous to have to look at! We just need to make it the law and it's all good with Tuggan!
So you admit there were laws that were not based upon religious beliefs.
Yes you make statements like thisYou can do ANYTHING you can get away with and there's no need to worry about consequences.
Your statements are not adding up.
You post comments like this:Gidan wrote:If you don’t believe in God/Gods you don’t believe in the rule of law, you care for nothing other then yourself. If that were the case then an Atheist wouldn't be an Atheist at all, they would believe that they were God.
Yet you have the nerve to criticize?
BTW, I never said there wasn't laws that weren't based on religion. That's Tuggan's useless crutch. As I clearly pointed out, just because something is the law, it doesn't mean it's morally good. Hence you can't base your own morality on the law. If you do, you're an idiot.
Wrath Child wrote:A true atheist is unencumbered by guilt of any kind. A real bully's bully! You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn.
Yamori wrote:There are many people that come to my city for the generous benefits we offer. They take and take but only replace what they take with grief: theft, shootings, stabbings, rape and murder. If we were able to round them all up and permanently remove them from our society here, it would further our community. Our streets would be far safer. Our schools would once again become places of learning rather than daycare for future criminals. So does that makes them evil in your eyes.
I am for all violent criminals being removed from society and placed in jail for very long periods of time. I am not for the death penalty because innocent people can be killed by it. Life imprisonment should only occur with some murderers or repeat offenders.
Anyone who robs, kills, or rapes is acting as a threat to life, so yes, they are evil.
I would imagine the same can be said for the disabled. Shall we kill everyone born with Downs Syndrome at birth? And Cerebral palsy? They certainly don't further human evolution yet they eat up tremendous resources better spent elsewhere.
Yamori wrote:These people aren't hurting anyone, or violating anyone's rights. I know people with mental disabilities and mental illness who still have things to offer. There is no reason to do anything about them. It is up to families, friends, or charities to take care of them though, if they can't take care of themselves.
Gidan wrote:Wrath Child wrote:Gidan wrote:Wrath Child wrote:Tuggan wrote:there was law well before the bible dipshit.
You don't say! So I'm guessing anything that becomes legal under the law is OK with you then? That means slavery was right, because it was the law! How about that! I won't bother to mention what's going on in your future homeland, North Korea since it's all fine and dandy with you what "dear leader" is doing to his people. Because it's the LAW! I like that! It's the law! How convenient.
Maybe we could change the law and kill off all females past the ripe old age of 25. Gah, all those wrinkles are just hideous to have to look at! We just need to make it the law and it's all good with Tuggan!
So you admit there were laws that were not based upon religious beliefs.
Yes you make statements like thisYou can do ANYTHING you can get away with and there's no need to worry about consequences.
Your statements are not adding up.
You post comments like this:Gidan wrote:If you don’t believe in God/Gods you don’t believe in the rule of law, you care for nothing other then yourself. If that were the case then an Atheist wouldn't be an Atheist at all, they would believe that they were God.
Yet you have the nerve to criticize?
BTW, I never said there wasn't laws that weren't based on religion. That's Tuggan's useless crutch. As I clearly pointed out, just because something is the law, it doesn't mean it's morally good. Hence you can't base your own morality on the law. If you do, you're an idiot.Wrath Child wrote:A true atheist is unencumbered by guilt of any kind. A real bully's bully! You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn.
This was your statement. If you beleive that there is nothing beneith you, then you view yourself as a God. The definition of an Athiest is somone who does not beleive in a God or Gods. So your view of Athiests is not true becasue the people you are speaking of would not be considered Athiests.
I never said that was my view, it seems to be yours.
Wrath Child wrote:If you don't believe in a higher power, then there really is no right or wrong.
Wrath Child wrote:Oh my! But you might hurt someone's widdle feelings, you say. SO FUCKING WHAT! Who cares if you do? Not a true atheist.
Wrath Child wrote:Oh wait! I bet you grew up with some religious influence, didn't you? That's your excuse, right? That's how you know what's right or wrong? But you know religion is complete hogwash, now don't you? So why in the world would you continue to base anything off of something that is completely false.
Wrath Child wrote:That's the true beauty of being an atheist! You can do ANYTHING you can get away with and there's no need to worry about consequences. No lightning bolts from the heavens to fry your ass, or devils in hell waiting to skewer you with his pitchfork.
Wrath Child wrote:You might have noticed by now that there aren't any soup kitchens run by atheist groups. Or food pantries. Not even homeless shelters! And why? Because atheists don't give a flying fuck about the homeless or poor! And why should they? The homeless in the eyes of an atheist are nothing but human debris that needs to be gotten rid of! It's not like human beings are an endangered species, now is it? The sheer volume of our population alone is destroying the planet. But even if we were, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference because THEY ARE THE WEAK AND THE WEAK MUST PERISH!
Wrath Child wrote:You see, atheists are nothing but cold, empty shells of human beings. But if you have an ounce of compassion in you or a tingle of remorse, then you're not really an atheist. Because a part of you desperately clings to a closeted belief in a higher power just in case it turns out there is indeed a heaven and hell.
Wrath Child wrote:So which are you? Some bible thumper or the next step in evolution?
Evil? How can you possibly believe in evil as an atheist. Let me guess, you believe in magic potions and curses, too! Magic is green...
This has nothing to do with "hurting" anyone. These people are a drain on societies resources. They pollute the gene pool. They may very well have something to offer, but I guarantee it doesn't come close to the resources spent on them.
Tuggan wrote:ok...lets just say for your own sake that all morality today stems from the bible.
can you not see the difference in accepting the common placed morality without accepting the existence of a god?
Wrath Child wrote:A true atheist is unencumbered by guilt of any kind. A real bully's bully! You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn.gidan wrote:This was your statement. If you beleive that there is nothing beneith you, then you view yourself as a God. The definition of an Athiest is somone who does not beleive in a God or Gods. So your view of Athiests is not true becasue the people you are speaking of would not be considered Athiests.
I never said that was my view, it seems to be yours.
You're still not making any sense. The key phrase here was "You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn". The key words are "beneath you". I make no mention of those above you. Those more powerful. Those who will take from you what they want, when want. The law of the jungle.
Nor did I say anything about believing "that there is nothing beneith you, then you view yourself as a God". Please tell me english is a second or third language for you.
Gidan wrote:There are many charities that are run by Athiests. The difference is they dont feel the need to boast to the world about what tehy are doing for the people. Not every charity has a religion behind it.
Gidan wrote:Wrath Child wrote:A true atheist is unencumbered by guilt of any kind. A real bully's bully! You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn.gidan wrote:This was your statement. If you beleive that there is nothing beneith you, then you view yourself as a God. The definition of an Athiest is somone who does not beleive in a God or Gods. So your view of Athiests is not true becasue the people you are speaking of would not be considered Athiests.
I never said that was my view, it seems to be yours.
You're still not making any sense. The key phrase here was "You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn". The key words are "beneath you". I make no mention of those above you. Those more powerful. Those who will take from you what they want, when want. The law of the jungle.
Nor did I say anything about believing "that there is nothing beneith you, then you view yourself as a God". Please tell me english is a second or third language for you.
You have made 2 statements here
1) A true atheist is unencumbered by guilt of any kind. A real bully's bully!
2) You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn.
Your first statement is a very wide statement saying that a true atheist has no feelings of guilt.
The 2nd part of this statement either is unnecessary because you have already stated that they don’t feel guilt of any kind, or you believe that the 2nd statement reinforced the top statement because it covered all people.
So was the 2nd statement just useless information you felt the need to bless us with or do you believe that atheists believe that they are the only important people?
If an Atheist has no view of Good(right) or Evil(wrong), then it means they believe everything they do is justified and just what they do (right). Anyone who says otherwise is wrong as in incorrect. If you believe him to be doing correctly, in his mind, you follow him, if you don’t your wrong as in incorrect. Both put you beneath the Atheist as you have described him.
One of the definitions of a God is a Supreme Being, a being that is above all others. If you believe all are beneath you, you believe that you are a supreme being and thus you view yourself as a God.
If you view yourself as a God you can not be an Atheist by definition because an Atheist by definition is someone who does not believe in God
Wrath Child wrote:Gidan wrote:There are many charities that are run by Athiests. The difference is they dont feel the need to boast to the world about what tehy are doing for the people. Not every charity has a religion behind it.
Just for shits giggles, name me 5 charities run by Atheist groups that serve the communities they exist in. Local ones are just fine.
Wrath Child wrote:Gidan wrote:There are many charities that are run by Athiests. The difference is they dont feel the need to boast to the world about what tehy are doing for the people. Not every charity has a religion behind it.
Just for shits giggles, name me 5 charities run by Atheist groups that serve the communities they exist in. Local ones are just fine.
Wrath Child wrote:Gidan wrote:There are many charities that are run by Athiests. The difference is they dont feel the need to boast to the world about what tehy are doing for the people. Not every charity has a religion behind it.
Just for shits giggles, name me 5 charities run by Atheist groups that serve the communities they exist in. Local ones are just fine.
Wrath Child wrote:Gidan wrote:Wrath Child wrote:A true atheist is unencumbered by guilt of any kind. A real bully's bully! You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn.gidan wrote:This was your statement. If you beleive that there is nothing beneith you, then you view yourself as a God. The definition of an Athiest is somone who does not beleive in a God or Gods. So your view of Athiests is not true becasue the people you are speaking of would not be considered Athiests.
I never said that was my view, it seems to be yours.
You're still not making any sense. The key phrase here was "You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn". The key words are "beneath you". I make no mention of those above you. Those more powerful. Those who will take from you what they want, when want. The law of the jungle.
Nor did I say anything about believing "that there is nothing beneith you, then you view yourself as a God". Please tell me english is a second or third language for you.
You have made 2 statements here
1) A true atheist is unencumbered by guilt of any kind. A real bully's bully!
2) You shouldn't care anymore for those beneath you than you do for the worms you run over when you drive in a rainstorm or the bugs you step on when you mow the lawn.
Your first statement is a very wide statement saying that a true atheist has no feelings of guilt.
The 2nd part of this statement either is unnecessary because you have already stated that they don’t feel guilt of any kind, or you believe that the 2nd statement reinforced the top statement because it covered all people.
So was the 2nd statement just useless information you felt the need to bless us with or do you believe that atheists believe that they are the only important people?
If an Atheist has no view of Good(right) or Evil(wrong), then it means they believe everything they do is justified and just what they do (right). Anyone who says otherwise is wrong as in incorrect. If you believe him to be doing correctly, in his mind, you follow him, if you don’t your wrong as in incorrect. Both put you beneath the Atheist as you have described him.
One of the definitions of a God is a Supreme Being, a being that is above all others. If you believe all are beneath you, you believe that you are a supreme being and thus you view yourself as a God.
If you view yourself as a God you can not be an Atheist by definition because an Atheist by definition is someone who does not believe in God
You know the difference between you and I?
You're seriously ridiculous while I'm being ridiculous as a goof.
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