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by **Ouchyfish** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:23 pm

I predict Houston will win 4-1.

:rofl:

by **Tadpole** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:41 pm

cards are gonna win it all this year. there starting rotation is healthy and looking good unlike last year.

by **Ouchyfish** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:22 pm

In all honesty the bullpen has been looking like shit though. That's what scares me. Also, and this may be due to all the injuries this year, there doesn't seem to be the same zip in the right bats.

:dunno:

I still believe they will send Houston home losers...god damn Molina has a good arm..

by **Ouchyfish** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:46 pm

This game is sucking balls right now....

by **Ouchyfish** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:32 pm

Well shit, I had the Astros number right. Just underestimated Oswalt and/or our piss poor offense tonight. All it took was one good pitcher (Oswalt) and one bad (Tavarez) to make the Astros look like they are worth a shit. Hey, even the Royals win against the Yankees once in a while.

Hope Reggie is ok.

Still gonna be the cards in 6.

:wink:

by **Gidan** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:08 pm

HAHAHAHA

If the cards win its becasue they are so damn good. Houston shut down the card offence completely tonight but of course thats just becasue they were having a bad night, couldn't possibly have anythign to do with houston actually being a decent oponent.

by **Ouchyfish** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:46 pm

If they were a decent opponent they wouldn't have been a wild-card team. They get the consolation "hey we need a 4th team in here" prize.

You could have given the same prize to -any- team in the MLB and they could have a lucky night.

They pulled the same shit last year. They will get the same result this year too.

by **Arlos** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:59 pm

Please. You consider San Diego, who barely cracked .500, a sterner test and more talented team than Houston? How often now has the Wild Card team had a better record than one of the division winners? How many World Series' have Wild Card teams won now? What percentage of the last few Series have been won by the WC team from one of the leagues? (hint, it's not small).

If Houston truly sucks, how'd they beat Atlanta?

-Arlos

by **Ouchyfish** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:11 am

Any team can be beaten on any given day.

I think it's complete and utter horseshit that a team no longer has to be the best in the division to advance. Why not go ahead and set up about 10 sudden death matches between the top 20 teams while you're at it. Odds are at least 5 of those winners would get in on sheer "lucky day" bullshit antics like what has been keeping Houston afloat..

From the AP:

Houston scrounged for a couple of runs off Mark Mulder -- one scoring on a passed ball, the other on Biggio's groundout. The Astros added two more in the eighth off reliever Julian Tavares.

While it wasn't as controversial as the call in Game 2 of the ALCS, home plate umpire Greg Gibson got one wrong in the second. He ruled Grudzielanek grounded out on a dribbler to the mound, but television replays clearly showed the ball went off the hitter's foot and should have been called foul. ...

I do not subscribe to this new-age crockpot filled with simmering fecal matter that spreads the false notion that the wildcard team deserves the same prestige that division champs deserve. I don't give two fucks how bad San Diego was-they won their division. That earns them the right to represent it.

WTF did Houston do to advance? Oh that's right, the best of the worst award MLB recently created to make more revenue. Now whenever they get a lucky break people try to concoct some "they belong" shit to go with it. They have 3 good pitchers, I'll give ya that. They have 1-2 good hitters, and one injured.

That and a nickel will give ya damn near 15 other teams story...and a cup of coffee.

Even the Royals can take 2 of three from the White Sox..does that mean they belong in the post season too?

by **Spliffs** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:47 am

The Astros had to win tonight. Oswalt is their only pitcher who isn't vulnerable. Pettite got beat up in game 1. Clemens has a 4.72 era since September 3, including his one post season start where he gave up 5 runs in 5 innings.

Unless the Astros can find a way to run Oswalt out for 4 games out of 7, they are in trouble. Especially considering houston can not consistently give run support.

Now if Larussa is smart he'll stop dicking around with Julian Tavarez and Brad Thompson. His Formula for success should be 5-6+ out of starters. Long and middle relief from Jason Marquis and Randy Florez (Lefty). Hand the ball to Isringhausen and say good night.

The Astros have a great chance if they can get the games to Brad Lidge with a lead. No one is more dominant right now. The two innings he pitched tonight made the cards look silly. The problem is getting him the lead. The offense is anemic, the "Big three" is really the "Big one" and two old tired vets. It might go 7 because the cardinals bullpen is struggling. I still think the cards have the advantage tho.

by **Susvain** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:53 am

OuchyFish wrote:Even the Royals can take 2 of three from the White Sox..does that mean they belong in the post season too?

How can you even compare the Royals to the Astros

by **Ouchyfish** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:08 am

Congrats on missing the point.

by **Phlegm** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:04 am

I think he is pissed about the wild card because last year wild card, the Red Sox, thumped his Cardinals in 4 games.

by **Ouchyfish** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:17 am

Nah, I was happy for the Red Sox in all honesty. My brother has been a DIE HARD Bosox fan for the 32 years I have known him and I saw what he went through in 86, not to mention all of the playoff heartbreaks. Sweeps by Oakland here, fucked over by Yankees there.

They deserved it, and they rocked the baseball world. I'm happy for that. In fact, and I have no way to prove this, but while talking to my mom over the phone last year during the World Series, she said jokingly, "Dave, I'm rooting for the Red Sox" and I said back quietly "yeah me too." =)

The Cards winning the World Series would not have meant half as much to me as the Red Sox winning meant to him...trust me..and I fucking live for this team..so no..no bitterness there..my team has won a World Series in my lifetime, and now he can say that too.

:angel:

by **Gidan** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:47 am

OuchyFish wrote:Any team can be beaten on any given day.

I think it's complete and utter horseshit that a team no longer has to be the best in the division to advance.

How can you possibly be happy the Red Sox won when you dont beleive they should have even been in the playoffs last year?

Do you think a team that plays over .600 baseball a season should be in the playoffs over a .500 team just becasue the team that won their division played an even more amazing year? The wildcard is one of the best things for baseball. It opens up a spot for 1 team that seems to usually be beter then one of the division winning teams.

Houston was the 3rd ranked team in the NL 1 Game back of Atlanta and San Diego was the 7th ranked team. How can you even consider San Diego to be beter then Houston. San Diego ended the season 7 games back of Houston but they were in the playoffs because the rest of the NL west was shit this year. The remaining NL west teams ended at 11, 12, 14 and 15. IMO the whole division winner thing is what actually gets bad teams into the playoffs, if you really wanted to see the 4 best teams, you should pick the 4 best records in each league and have them play not give an automatic playoff chance for winning the division. Or get rid of the divisions and just do leagues and have the playoffs be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. Had it gone that way, St Louis wouldn't have had what amounted to a bye in the first round by playing a team that ended the season 18 games back, they would have played Philly who would have ateast given a small amount of challenge abd guess what the other game would still have been number 2 atlanta vs number 3 houston.

by **Ouchyfish** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:53 am

Gidan wrote:How can you possibly be happy the Red Sox won when you dont beleive they should have even been in the playoffs last year?

Personal bias. =) Yeah yeah hypocritical...

San Diego wasn't exactly dominated by Houston this year. What was their record vs Houston? 3-4?

As for your idea about how to run a playoff...I just would rather have 4 divisions and no wildcard.

by **Phlegm** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:08 am

OuchyFish wrote:As for your idea about how to run a playoff...I just would rather have 4 divisions and no wildcard.

Fuck that. They should have it like the old days. Best record in each league play in the World Series. Everyone else goes home.

by **Gidan** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:02 am

OuchyFish wrote:
Gidan wrote:How can you possibly be happy the Red Sox won when you dont beleive they should have even been in the playoffs last year?

Personal bias. =) Yeah yeah hypocritical...

San Diego wasn't exactly dominated by Houston this year. What was their record vs Houston? 3-4?

As for your idea about how to run a playoff...I just would rather have 4 divisions and no wildcard.

Of course if you look St Louis had a 3-4 record against San Diego this year Houston had a 4-3 record against them. However how they did head to head in th eregular season has nothing to do with how they will do head to head in the playoffs

Also the 4 divisions would still not fix the problem of the playoffs being the top 4 teams. You could have 2 .600 teams and 2 sub .500 teams in the playoffs and a few .580ish teams going home because they were unluckyenough to be in the division wiht the .600 teams.

by **Ouchyfish** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:03 am

Phlegm wrote:
OuchyFish wrote:As for your idea about how to run a playoff...I just would rather have 4 divisions and no wildcard.

Fuck that. They should have it like the old days. Best record in each league play in the World Series. Everyone else goes home.

I agree wholeheartedly but I know the reality of it is not possible. Too much money to be made.

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