NFL - Week 6

[Phlegm]

Hey Slainn, your Bills is winning now that they benched Losman. Hell they're in first place.

Wrong, Patriots are are tied with them!

Susvain, you are a retard. Patriots and Bills are tied for first place still meant that the Bills are in first place.

I thought you meant sole posession!

I never said that the Bills are in first place by themselves. Read what I wrote again Susvain.

[Tikker]

McNabb is far from worthless


He's a pretty OK QB, who's only real issue is when he gets a bit of pressure he tends to try to throw the ball a bit hard, and ends up tossing it at receivers feet

I like Roethlisburger (his potential at least). He's big, has an ok arm, can move around, and seems to have figured out not to throw picks this year. be slick to see him continue that trend

I like Brady too, as well as Trent Green and Manning, and Brees

[xaoshaen]

You can't blame every single overthrown, or underthrown ball on the wide receivers

Peerless Price was a good receiver until he had Vick as a QB

Vick repeatedly misses Crumpler, and he's regarded as one of the better receiving tight ends in the league

And I say again, Vick is a significantly below average passer. He's the best running quarterback in the league. Taken as a total package, he's a roughly average contributor to his team's success. I've never claimed that all of his mistakes can be foisted off on someone else. Ignoring the poor quality of his receivers and his offensive line would, however, be an incredibly shallow analysis. The blame (and glory for that matter) that position players assume for the play of their line never ceases to amaze me.

Do allow me to dispell the Price myth right now though. He was never a particularly good receiver. He's had a single season above replacement level, even when he had Eric Moulds occupying the defense for him. Signing him as their primary receiver was a terrible decision by the Falcons.

[xaoshaen]

Price was considered one of the best he went to atlanta and Vick destroyed him.

Only by people who have a barely rudimentary understanding of football. Price has had one year above replacement level.

if you actually watch the games he rountinly makes bad passes on over the middle and the outs. He is a good deep ball thrower, but mistakes there aren't as big of a deal cause he outthrows people so no one can get the ball.

Yep, I may have forgotten to mention it, but Vick is a below-average passer. He is, however, a roughly average contributor overall.

His brother is a great over the middle passer. He isnt. BUt until QB's like him (McNabb and brooks) learn how to pass with decent recievers not great ones... they will never win anything.

Heh, when has McNabb had "decent" receivers? Thrash? FredEx? Where are they playing now? You do realize that, even with a pathetic receiving corps (until Owens arrived, Westbrook was far and away the best receiver on the Eagles), McNabb has been an above-average passer since 2001, right? How did McNabb do last year when Owens was out?

Look at brady he dosn't have a superstar reciever and he has won 3 superbowls. and is super accurate. You can't say Vicks Oline is bad cause they are near the best.

Brady also has had excellent pass protection and competent, if not superstar, receivers. He's never been saddled with someone like Price as his top target. Most quarterbacks in the NFL would fall short if you compare them to Brady anyways. He's easily one of the top three or four in the league.

Atlanta's offensive line is one of the best? How on earth do you figure that? Sure, they're great at run blocking, but that doesn't particularly impact Vick's passing. Check out their pass protection stats sometime...

And now that people are learning to take his running away he is really showing he isn't worthy to be a top QB.

Learning to take Vick's running away? Which stats support that assertion? Nobody who really knows football would have considered Vick to be a top quarterbackever since his post-'02 regression in the passing game.

and Btw you can be a crappy QB but if you don't make mistakes (aka INTs fumbles) you can have a winning record. Vick sucks but he doesn't make turnovers thats why they win. BUt you can't count on him for any real drive to tie a game or win it cause he can't throw accurately.

Same with McNabb no owens.. McNabb is worthless.

Plug most quarterbacks into McNabb's situation pre-2004 and they'd have had poor years. Thrash, Mitchell, and Pinkston. Truly a triumverate to strike fear into the hearts of defensive coordinators everywhere. McNabb still managed to put up above average passing numbers with the Three Anchors around his neck.

[Tikker]

You can't blame every single overthrown, or underthrown ball on the wide receivers

Peerless Price was a good receiver until he had Vick as a QB

Vick repeatedly misses Crumpler, and he's regarded as one of the better receiving tight ends in the league

And I say again, Vick is a significantly below average passer. He's the best running quarterback in the league. Taken as a total package, he's a roughly average contributor to his team's success. I've never claimed that all of his mistakes can be foisted off on someone else. Ignoring the poor quality of his receivers and his offensive line would, however, be an incredibly shallow analysis. The blame (and glory for that matter) that position players assume for the play of their line never ceases to amaze me.

Do allow me to dispell the Price myth right now though. He was never a particularly good receiver. He's had a single season above replacement level, even when he had Eric Moulds occupying the defense for him. Signing him as their primary receiver was a terrible decision by the Falcons.

This is a stupid arguement


everyone agree's he's a shitty fucking passer, so quit bringing up the fact he can run the ball

no one gives a fuck he can run, when we're bitching about his lack of passing ability

[xaoshaen]

This is a stupid arguement

everyone agree's he's a shitty fucking passer, so quit bringing up the fact he can run the ball

no one gives a fuck he can run, when we're bitching about his lack of passing ability

"I'll say again that Vick is a shitty SHITTY QB"

"Michael Vick is pure 100% hype"

"Lots of raw talent with nothing to back it up. I don't see him getting better as the years go by."

"he is no Cunningham or Steve Young thats for sure.. those guys could at least be kinda accurate."

"Vick is like a slightly shittier Kordell Stewart "

"dude hasn't thrown for over 200 yards in a couple years"

I'm not, and never have been, arguing that Vick is a great passer, but there seems to be a lot of incorrect assumptions and beliefs about him. Vick is not the reason the Falcons win, but he's not exactly killing them either.

[Tikker]

I still stand by the "Slightly shittier Kordell Stewart" comment