The Colts are for real

[Phlegm]

I honestly don't think Indy could beat Jacksonville a second time.

Jacksonville have no chance of winning since Byron Leftwich is out for the season.

[Lyion]

I have to agree with that. Garrard won't be able to run against Indy's very fast D.

[Xaiveir]

Jacksonville is still a pretty good team. I think they will make the playoffs with Garrard, he is not all that different than leftwich.

Come playoff time though, i have doubts about him leading them past anyone in the AFC. But i would have doubts even if Leftwich was QBing them through the playoffs also.

[Lyion]

Jacksonville is still a pretty good team. I think they will make the playoffs with Garrard, he is not all that different than leftwich.
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That is not at all right.

Leftwich is an immobile pocket passer who is very accurate and who's strength is reading Ds and not making mistakes.

Garrard is more of an athletic QB who isn't as accurate but gives you the rollouts, rushes, and mobility Leftwich doesn't have.

They still are a run first offense, but Garrard and Leftwich are very different types of QBs.

About the only thing these guys have in common is they are tall black QBs. They are as different as Ricky Proehl and Kevin Curtis.

[Tikker]

yeah, I was gonna say


Leftwich is a bledsoe/marino type

big arm, stands there and throws strikes


garrard is more Kordell Stewart, but doesn't cry when he sits on the bench

[Lyion]

Garrard is more Kordell Stewart, but doesn't cry when he sits on the bench

Ouch. Except Garrard actually is a QB, unlike Kordell who never should've played the position. I'd say he's more like a Jake Plummer type.

[Tikker]

meh, Kordell wasn't that bad, I just don't think they used him right

I'd take Kordell over Boller any day of the week

[Xaiveir]

Here are the scouting reports on both quarterbacks......they are very similiar. Just because you saw highlights of Garrard scrambling, over all they are very similiar. Both will give you the same offensive abilities. Both will hand the ball off, minimize passing mistakes. Neither one will is going to really beat you with their feet, both have strong arms. Both are pocket passers.

David Garrard 40 yard dash time 4.8 seconds.

Positives: Has thick muscle development and a frame that has reached maximum growth … Shows good zip behind his passes, getting rid of the ball on time … Has the upper-body strength to gain velocity behind his tosses and frequently throws with touch … Makes proper reads and good field decisions … Keeps his cool under pressure and steps up in the pocket to absorb punishment … Moves around well in the short area … Lets the play develop and shows precision when locating his secondary receivers … Has a quick setup off the snap and a short, quick release … Has the arm strength to make all the throws, starting his passes with the ball low at his hip while using a ¾ sidearm motion.

Negatives: While he can throw on the run, he lacks the foot speed to elude past the line of scrimmage … Needs to work on his accuracy, as his passes tend to sail high, but poor protection up front has resulted in him throwing on the run often … That poses a problem, as he is heavy-footed and not nifty when flushed out … Good leader but needs to get more vocal in the huddle … Must control his weight, as his frame is maxxed out and he has been pushing the 260-pound mark at times during his career … Fails to set his feet, resulting in a little loss of velocity.


Byron Leftwich 40 yard dash time clocked at 4.9-5.1 (scouting combine and preseason)

Positives: Thick-framed athlete with excellent arm strength … Has a very good grasp of the passing game, calling half of his plays at the line of scrimmage … Tough leader who will take a crunching hit and play with pain (see 2002 Akron contest) … Shows good quickness and fluidity in his pass setup … Very good at reading defenses, showing patience as he picks apart the zones … Shows quickness and snap in his release … Very accurate, as his ball is generally on target … Has good overall touch, timing and placement … His composure and poise allow him to rally the team from behind … Has enough mobility to roll away, step up and avoid the pass rush … Can move the chains and break tackles on the move … Has a nice over-the-top throwing motion and rarely throws into coverage … Has the frame to sit in and take the hit on the blitz and still make the throw … Carries the ball numbers-high and delivers it with proper mechanics, squaring his shoulders, getting his hips into it and throwing off his front foot consistently … Shows good follow-through as the ball comes off his hand with a tight spiral.

Negatives: Not a good runner, using his bulk to break tackles … Operates mostly out of the shotgun, but still has good quickness in his setup … Needs to take a little heat off his short passes, as he tries to outmuscle the ball at times, but also must learn to put some air under the ball when his receivers break open … Has a history of minor ailments, but will play with pain (left leg needs further evaluation; see 2002 injury report) … Needs to look off his primary targets, as he tends to lock on and not spot his alternative options.

[Lyion]

David Garrard 40 yard dash time 4.8 seconds.

Positives: Has thick muscle development and a frame that has reached maximum growth … Shows good zip behind his passes, getting rid of the ball on time … Has the upper-body strength to gain velocity behind his tosses and frequently throws with touch … Makes proper reads and good field decisions … Keeps his cool under pressure and steps up in the pocket to absorb punishment … Moves around well in the short area … Lets the play develop and shows precision when locating his secondary receivers … Has a quick setup off the snap and a short, quick release … Has the arm strength to make all the throws, starting his passes with the ball low at his hip while using a ¾ sidearm motion.

Negatives: While he can throw on the run, he lacks the foot speed to elude past the line of scrimmage … Needs to work on his accuracy, as his passes tend to sail high, but poor protection up front has resulted in him throwing on the run often … That poses a problem, as he is heavy-footed and not nifty when flushed out … Good leader but needs to get more vocal in the huddle … Must control his weight, as his frame is maxxed out and he has been pushing the 260-pound mark at times during his career … Fails to set his feet, resulting in a little loss of velocity.


Byron Leftwich 40 yard dash time clocked at 4.9-5.1 (scouting combine and preseason)

Positives: Thick-framed athlete with excellent arm strength … Has a very good grasp of the passing game, calling half of his plays at the line of scrimmage … Tough leader who will take a crunching hit and play with pain (see 2002 Akron contest) … Shows good quickness and fluidity in his pass setup … Very good at reading defenses, showing patience as he picks apart the zones … Shows quickness and snap in his release … Very accurate, as his ball is generally on target … Has good overall touch, timing and placement … His composure and poise allow him to rally the team from behind … Has enough mobility to roll away, step up and avoid the pass rush … Can move the chains and break tackles on the move … Has a nice over-the-top throwing motion and rarely throws into coverage … Has the frame to sit in and take the hit on the blitz and still make the throw … Carries the ball numbers-high and delivers it with proper mechanics, squaring his shoulders, getting his hips into it and throwing off his front foot consistently … Shows good follow-through as the ball comes off his hand with a tight spiral.

Negatives: Not a good runner, using his bulk to break tackles … Operates mostly out of the shotgun, but still has good quickness in his setup … Needs to take a little heat off his short passes, as he tries to outmuscle the ball at times, but also must learn to put some air under the ball when his receivers break open … Has a history of minor ailments, but will play with pain (left leg needs further evaluation; see 2002 injury report) … Needs to look off his primary targets, as he tends to lock on and not spot his alternative options.

Yeah, but if you read between the lines of those scouting reports, you see exactly what I was saying. These are also older reviews. Garrard has gotten quicker and Leftwich probably slower.

Most analysts now would agree with the assessment I had, I think. That's pretty much what I've heard on TV/Sports shows.

They have some similarities but are different types of QBs.

meh, Kordell wasn't that bad, I just don't think they used him right

I'd take Kordell over Boller any day of the week

Kordell was freakin horrible. If you can't play QB for the Steelers, who are run oriented, you can't play anywhere.

Any good team was guaranteed to beat him with a little disguise and a fairly fast safety spy.