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Postby Malluas » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:48 pm

man i thought they would win this series sorta easy... wtf
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Postby vonkaar » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:52 am

:(
first game we deserved to lose...
second game was all Dirk IMO. He's like a fucking deer caught in headlights. I've NEVER seen him freeze up like this. Ryan Bowen is like... ME guarding him. Just fucking shoot over him god damnit.
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Postby Malluas » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:08 am

well i would say the Rockets are garunteed one of these next 2 wins (home court playoffs blah blah)

i liked how dirk only got 2 rebounds.. wtf
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Postby vonkaar » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:11 am

Reminds you of last year, no?

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Postby Malluas » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:22 am

wonder if avery and cuban will push hard to get a defender next year. or a better center
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Postby Lyion » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:48 am

I guess their late season dump happened right now.
So much for the push from the coaching change.
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Postby vonkaar » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:28 am

better center? Damp is a fucking champ... he, Howard and Van Horn were the only guys that showed up last night. Both he and Keith would have had an amazing box score if Yao wasn't so crafty with his fouls... they all got into foul trouble from the onset.

Seriously... you would have to watch the games to know... Damp is the man.

However... Howard has been the best Mav in this series. Easily. Van Gundy calls Howard the human pogo stick.

We play fine defense... we just fucking SUCK on transition. Case in point, we were the NUMBER-ONE defense in the league at guarding beyond the arc... all season. Yet, Houston hit NINE 3-pointers last night and a shitload on Saturday. This half-court game is killing us =/.
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Postby Malluas » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:39 am

better as in a good post offensive center. Damp is a pretty good defender (great no good yes). But he isn't a great post player. You need a good post player in the playoffs unless you have a certain Shooting Guard who is retired. if dirk did alot more posting up.. it would help alot. Dirk can post up cause he can do tha jump hooks and some running hooks turnarounds from like 6 feet cause he can jump over eveyrone (kinda like rasheed). Not sure he is tough enough for that.. but it would help them alot. Would maximize some of their posessions and not just shoot perimeter shots.

houston will lose in the next round cause they won't be able to defend or match Amare's post offense (eventho he isn't a great post player either he is just good enough and yes i have seen him in person). Yao isn't a post player he is near useless on the post for banging and gettin rebounds, scoring down low etc. Thats why the kings coulnd't get past the lakers that one year. They had some post offense but it wasn't good enough.
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Postby vonkaar » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:51 am

See... normally I'd disagree, because Dirk has done so well at posting up this year...
but he's been fucking WEAK against Houston, so... :dunno:

Seriously... Bowen is like... if YOU were out there guarding Dirk (no offense, you could be barkley for all I know)... 3 weeks ago, Dirk would have PUNISHED a coach for daring to use a nobody to guard him. It's the playoffs and so he's fucking afraid of Yao or something... I don't know. In the second half, Van Gundy could tell that Dirk was off, so he even stopped doubling him... and Dirk STILL didn't do anything. There was one possession where he had a clear baseline and only that fucking twat Bowen between him. Fucking DESTROY him Dirk! God damn!
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Postby Malluas » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:58 am

lol i can guard people.. i play more D than Nash :)

yea if it was the OTHER bowen i could understand.. who the fuck is this bowen on houston i mean shit.
but dirk does have probs sometimes on other tall guys. Peja at certain times in the 3 previous series would shut him down for a quarter. Garnett of course can stop him or at least bother him.. Songila on the kings can take him out of his game enough not to score 40 poiints.

is bowen being somewhat physical with him? thats another thing i have seen dirk not respond well to. Thats why the kings had doug to bring the ball up instead of bibby when teams got physical with bibby. Being a scorer coming off screen bibby is ok with physical.. bring the ball up with physicality he sucks the ass. opposite with nash.. kidd is the only one that can deal with both.

Dirk and peja are very much the same with physicality on the perimeter., dirk at least goes inside cause he knows he is gonna get fouled cause he can dunk.. i don't think peja can dunk on a straight dribble drive.
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Postby vonkaar » Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:14 pm

Well, Garnett rarely guards him for some reason.. same with TD. It's strange. And... yeah, Songalia does well against him, so did Webb. With Orlando at least, Juwan Howard did well... hmm... Kurt Thomas used to do well on him... Sheed handles well enough... who else? hmmmmmmm.... I mean, you always read the pre-game comments from coaches and they all say, "shutting down Dirk is our main focus..." except from Popavich, because he's so cocky he doesn't fear anything... he's always, "oh, Dirk playing us doesn't worry me at all." blahblah... :flipoff:

No, Bowen isn't playing overly physical ball... he's actually guarding him like you would a guard... hands up all over... he's not leaning into Dirk the way BRUCE bowen would, or TD would... it's just 'mess' with him. And, in NO WAY should he get credit for 'stopping' Dirk... he's simply 'the man' assigned to cover him. It's YAO's presence in the paint that stops Dirk... IMO. He's just being a pussy and it's pissing me the fuck off.
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Postby Malluas » Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:42 pm

i agree.. why would dirk be scared of Yao.. i mean gerald wallace dunked on him.. web has also and web can't jump hehe. Nash bibby both do floaters over him.. shaq isn't afraid of him whatsoever. TD and KG aren't either.

actually i would rather him be the focal point than Tracy. I havn't got to watch ANY playoff games so far so havn't got to see how they are defending tracy
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Postby Zanchief » Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:18 pm

I watched both Mavs games and I was rooting for the mavs.

T-Mac is just playing so good they need an equal insane effort from Dirk, which they clearly aren't getting.

As for Nash, why do people keep saying he plays 0 defense? I'll admit he isn't great, but he's no worse then Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby, Steve Francis or any of the other 6 foot some PG. I watched the PHO game the other day, saw him take 2 charges in the game. This is jut becoming an NBA story that Nash doesn't play defense and morons are all picking up on it. It's the reason he wont get the MVP too. Shame cause he deserves it.
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Postby Malluas » Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:29 pm

its cause ALL pgs blow right by him.. taking charges are more timing and sacrafice than being a good defender. When eddie house scores 11 points in 5 mins against Nash.. that isn't good defense.

he saves all his energy for offense.. which is why the suns won't win. If your PG can't keep a guy infront of him around 40% of the time.. you are screwed. Doesn't matter if you have a shot blocker or not. once a PG is beating the other perimeter defenders have to collapse then the PG kicks out... or if they dont' collapse they have a 10 foot jumper or floater which any decent PG can make on a consistant basis.

thats why the kings were having so much trouble this year. minus injuries.. bibby was letting guys go by him too easy. which then makes webbers imobility maginified. Same with how nash hurt the Mavs in the last 3 series with the kings. He couldn't hold mike bibby and he is MUCh faster than him. which then put dirk and others in a position to foul or leave a man, or let them have a layup. all 3 suck.

I think there should be a Co-MVP. Lakers without shaq.. el crapo, heat with shaq championship contenders... he makes wade better than kobe. Nash and him moving pheonix from crap to good. but again, same team 2and 3 years ago and they were in the playoffs.

but i think the kicker imo ... mavs are the same or better without nash. If the mavs lose this series it will help Nash's voting and who i thnk is MVP. but MVP is regular season which shaq to me has the edge
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