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Postby Arlos » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:11 pm

By Lou Dobbs
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Editor's note: Lou Dobbs' commentary appears every Wednesday on CNN.com

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Democrats and Republicans are desperately trying to nationalize the midterm elections, now only 48 days away.

Democrats are seeking to focus voter attention on President Bush's conduct of the war in Iraq, while Republicans are trying to convince voters that the president and all Republicans should be given credit for the conduct of the war on terror, and the fact that there has not been a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since September 11, 2001.

And voters will also choose which party to support on a host of other issues, local and national: illegal immigration, border security, the state of the economy, the escalating cost of health care, failing public schools, record budget and trade deficits, and the declining standard of living for the middle class.

Voters will be deciding whether the promise of challengers or the performance of incumbents merits their votes. The most recent polls reveal a national public mood that is now more supportive of a still unpopular president and about evenly divided over their preferences for, or tolerance of, congressional Republicans and Democrats. In other words, less than seven weeks before we go to the polls, there is every indication that the partisan quest for power on Capitol Hill will be close.

But there is additional uncertainty about the outcome of our elections that is intolerable and inexcusable, and which could make the contested 2000 presidential election look orderly by comparison. As of right now, there is little assurance your vote will count. As we've been reporting almost nightly on my broadcast for more than a year, electronic voting machines are placing our democracy at risk.

Across the nation, eight out of every 10 voters will be casting their ballots this November on electronic voting machines. And these machines time and again have been demonstrated to be extremely vulnerable to tampering and error, and many of them have no voter-verified paper trail.

There is simply no way in which election officials and their staffs of thousands of volunteers with limited experience and often poor training can possibly carry out reliable recounts.

Only 27 states have laws requiring the use of voter-verified paper trails in electronic machines. Eight more states utilize a paper trail in their machines but don't require it, leaving 15 states with no mandated requirements for safeguarding your vote. But with no national law in place, our midterm elections are being threatened by a system lacking any real regulation and standards.

The problems with electronic voting aren't necessarily new, yet we're still not ready for the midterms. During the 2004 presidential election, one voting machine in a Columbus, Ohio, suburb reportedly added nearly 3,900 additional votes to Bush's total. Officials caught the machine's error because only 638 voters cast presidential ballots at that precinct, but in a heavily populated district, can we really be sure the votes will be counted correctly?

The May primary election in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, was nothing less than a complete debacle. A report from the Election Science Institute found the electronic voting machines' four sources of vote totals -- individual ballots, paper trail summary, election archives and memory cards -- didn't even match up. The totals were all different, and the report concluded that relying on the current system for Cuyahoga County's more than 1.3 million people should be viewed as "a calculated risk." Are we really willing to risk our democracy?

This problem is obviously not limited to Ohio. During Illinois' March primary, Cook County delayed the results of its crucial county board elections for a week as a result of human and mechanical problems at hundreds of sites with the new voting machines.

The recent primary elections in Montgomery County, Maryland, also highlighted just how unprepared many polling places are for the midterms. The state election administrator is demanding to know what went wrong after election workers did not receive access cards to operate the Diebold voting machines for the county's 238 precincts on time, forcing as many as 12,000 voters to use provisional paper ballots that ran out quickly. Some were simply told to come back later and vote.

There are four main manufacturers of electronic voting systems, none of which has been demonstrated to be more secure than the others. Diebold is the most well-known, but a new Princeton University study concerning Diebold's AccuVote-TS machine found that hackers can easily tamper with electronic voting machines by installing a virus to disable machines and change the vote totals.

Princeton researchers found that "malicious software" running on a single voting machine can steal votes with little, if any, risk of detection, and that anyone with access can install the software. The study also suggests these machines are susceptible to voting-machine viruses. Diebold says the unit used in the test was two generations old and to its knowledge is not used anywhere in the country.

A 2005 Government Accountability Office report on electronic voting confirmed the worst fears of watchdog groups and election officials. That report said, "There is evidence that some of these concerns have been realized and have caused problems with recent elections, resulting in the loss and miscount of votes."

That is simply unacceptable. Congress and the White House need to immediately take steps to assure the integrity of electronic voting with paper trails that could be audited in any recount, or provisions must be made for paper ballots if the reliability of e-voting cannot be assured before November 7.

When voters lose confidence in our elected representatives, we can vote the bums out. But what is the recourse if American voters lose confidence in our electoral system?


I've harped on this before, but given the upcoming elections, this is a big issue again. Why is there no national policy for these machines? Why is there less outrage over the possibility of our votes getting subverted? Why do communities keep buying these machines when they manifestly don't work?

We desperately need a national policy on this issue. It has to be national, because we're dealing with something as basic and fundamental as our VOTE, which is a fundamental right of our society. The idea that votes are completely morphic, at the control of the people who own the machines, and there's literally NO way to tell that malfeasance occurred is terrifying.

This isn't a partisan issue, BOTH sides should be scared. The only reason I can see why the right hasn't been just as up in arms about this is because the owners of most of the companies making these machines are big-time GOP supporters. Not to mention, it seems like every time there's a report of these machines making a mistake, it's in FAVOR of GOP candidates. Nevertheless, I still think BOTH sides need to work together on this, get REAL standards for these devices, and ban their use in elections until such time as they meet those standards, which MUST include real verification capability, including a hard copy printout of every single vote.

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Postby Eziekial » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:33 pm

Because old people can't read a simple ballot and are easily confused. This leads to dramatization by biased media sources looking to inpart a personal agenda. Which leads to over reaction by self serving politicians. Which leads to moranic laws to sooth public opinion. Which leads to eventual scrutiny of said stupid laws (where we are today). Which will eventually lead to even more stupid legislation in an attempt to backtrack over previous stupidity and wastes our tax dollars and precious time. Eventually we end up with more stupid old people who still can't read simple ballots and are even more confused by wizbang tech and we start the circus outlined above again.
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Postby Lueyen » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:13 pm

Voting machine coding leaked!!!!

If VoterSelection="George W. Bush" Then
BushCount=BushCount + 1
Else If VoterSelection="Al Gore" Then
GoreCount = GoreCount + .5
BushCount = BushCount + .5
End If

BushCount = INT(BushCount)
GoreCount = INT(GoreCount)


In all seriousness yes Electoral integrity is a huge issue and should be absolutely a bi-partisan concern.

The Federal Election Integrity Act of 2006 requires proof of citizenship via a photo id before allowing someone to vote. The act also had a provision that photo idea be required to citizens free of charge by the states. Interesting enough the majority of Democrats voted against the Act today...

Voting machine irregularities shouldn't exist (really it shouldn't be THAT hard to write bullet proof software to tabulate selections) and should be investigated, however he insinuation that companies that are sympathetic to the GOP are trying to skew election results via purposeful faulty design is nothing compared to the congressional voting record.
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Postby Arlos » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:49 pm

I would suspect they voted against requiring a photo ID is that it could be seen as a first step towards a required national ID card, which I know I am dead set against.

I honestly don't see what is preventing legislation on this issue, by the way. There's a very simple way this could be done and be absolutely foolproof.

1) One of the volunteers at a polling station is given a big roll of alpha-numeric record numbers with bar codes beneath them.

2) When someone arrives to vote, the volunteer tears off 1 record number tag, hands it to the voter. (note that the record number is in no way associated with the person's name, and the only copy of it the voter themselves hangs on to, so there's no way to backtrack to figure out what record number = what person).

3) When the person enters the voting booth, they put the card with bar code into a slot in the voting machine, where it is scanned and spat back out. The machine then displays the scanned code on-screen and asks the voter if it matches the one on their card.

4) If no, they step out, throw away their card, get a new one from the volunteer. Repeat step 3.

5) If yes, it asks for the card again so that it can be shredded, and they can proceed to vote. (the card is sent to a shredder at this point) Once they are done, they get a confirmation page asking for confirmation, and also can see a paper printout in a 2nd window that should be identical to the electronic printout, and both confirmations should be embossed with their record number. The voter is then asked if their votes were entered correctly, and if the electronic screen matches the paper printout version.

6) if they enter no, their vote records are wiped, and the paper printout gets spat into a shredder. They then repeat step 5.

7) If yes, the machine tabulates their vote electronically, and spits the paper record into a storage hopper should a manual recount be necessary.


With all that done, they could then match up hard copy votes to electronic votes by that unique record number, but could not breach the anonymity of the voting process, since the only record of a given number is the card the voter got, which got shredded as part of the process. There's a hard-copy record for every single vote, and an absolute paper trail for every ballot. Each polling station records how many people came in to vote, and matches that number up with a manual counter attached to the hopper where the paper records go, and the machine's electronic count. If they don't all match, then the entire batch is flagged for review up the line.

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Postby Lueyen » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:54 pm

arlos wrote:I would suspect they voted against requiring a photo ID is that it could be seen as a first step towards a required national ID card, which I know I am dead set against.


That is actually a better argument then most of the reasons given for opposition. Those are mostly centered around it preventing the poor or elderly from voting, due to the "difficulty", "time" or "expense" in obtaining valid picture ID.

Note that it's not requiring a particular standardized id specifically for voting (drivers licence ect would be accepted as picture id) however I can see your concerns with it. I'm not a fan of required national ID's myself, although in some ways we are already there just not in name.
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Postby Lyion » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:31 am

Without an ID, we'll still have 100s of thousands of dead or otherwise invalid people voting in every election which is a real issue, and more of a real threat to elections.

We absolutely should use better machines and better accountability for elections, but it should also include addressing the massive fraud by requiring accountability for voters.
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Postby Lyion » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:46 am

This is why we need voter accountability, because of the massive fraud going on. I agree we need to ensure our voting machines are near foolproof, but again I'd prefer my vote wasn't invalidated because of ridiculousness that does not correlate to the fourth amendment at all.

Free Republic wrote:Ellen Sauerbrey became an unwilling expert on election fraud following her 1994 bid to become Maryland's governor, which she lost to Democrat Parris Glendening. All during election night as precincts reported in, Sauerbrey remained ahead. Then, close to midnight, results started pouring in from precincts in Baltimore City, giving Glendening a 5,993-vote victory. It was the closest race in Maryland in 70 years.

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Drake Ferguson, a private investigator who headed a volunteer group that helped document Sauerbrey's allegations of voter fraud, found that 75 percent of Baltimore City's 408 precincts had "severe flaws" in election-day records, including election cards that were either unsigned or had names different from the printed name on them.

The group also claimed that 5,832 more votes were tallied in Baltimore City than there were voters who checked in at precincts or cast absentee ballots -- mirroring Glendening's election margin almost exactly. They found that keys to voting machines had been duplicated, and that some people had voted more than once. Sauerbrey even remembers investigators reporting back to her that they had traced the addresses listed by scores of Baltimore City voters to boarded-up houses and to vacant lots.
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:02 am

Now we see outrage for voter fraud.

It's really despicable when it goes on at any time, I just find it really funny that in 2000 everyone on the right was so...get over it who cares if a few people got excluded, now that you got a few democrats flubbing the books your feathers are all ruffled, Lyion.
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Postby Lyion » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:58 am

Total bullshit, but very typical for you, Zan.

I'm against any type of fraud and want elections to be fair. It's just sad when Mexico is 10 times better than we are at holding and handling elections fairly.
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:01 am

I didn't mean it as a dig. Back in 2000 when people were wailing about this there wasn't a peep from you and your cronies. Actually most of it was who cares stop whining blah blah blah.
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Postby Martrae » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:10 am

Actually, if you recall there was a huge outcry from all sides. The specifics of the wailing and gnashing of teeth were different, however.

It all probably evened out in the end.
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:18 am

I recall the events very well and remember making a number of threads on the subject at the time stating that I thought it was sad that the right didn't seem to be outraged as they should and I got a lot of, it's all made up, there's no proof, stop whining from the usual suspects. I can't implicitly remember if you or Lyion were part of that group but I guarantee that you never went out of your way to mention any of the voter fraud. Couldn't have the home team look bad I guess.

To me, it just wasn't a subject for apathy, and there was way too much to go around from Republicans.
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Postby Hound » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:24 am

I think Ira Flatow is going to address electronic voting on one of today's Talk of the Nation: Science Friday segments on NPR, if anyone is interested.
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Postby Tossica » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:47 am

Republicans are mean.
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Postby Martrae » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:13 am

2000 -

when military votes were deliberately tossed
when homeless people were shipped from facility to facility and paid to vote democrat


Like I said...crap happened on both sides and it probably evened out in the end.
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:15 am

Martrae wrote:2000 -

when military votes were deliberately tossed
when homeless people were shipped from facility to facility and paid to vote democrat


Like I said...crap happened on both sides and it probably evened out in the end.


Exactly, who cares. Big deal. Why look into it. One vote doesn't matter.
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Postby Martrae » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:16 am

A more pressing question is what exactly are you doing with the sheep in your avatar...
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Postby Tossica » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:23 am

Republicans are dumb too.
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:26 am

Martrae wrote:A more pressing question is what exactly are you doing with the sheep in your avatar...


Ma'am, please go out and rent Season 1 of Arrested Development. After a few episodes you will go and buy seasons two and three and come back and thank me.

One of the best shows of all time (and you didn't see it Arlos because you were too busy being retarded).
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