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Housing market finally starting to hit bottom?

Postby Arlos » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:56 am

Hrm, at least here in Silicon valley and other parts of CA, it looks like the housing market may have finally started to bottom out and may be starting to get to where it can turn around, and start at least slightly reducing the glut of available homes on the market. If so, methinks that's a VERY VERY good sign. Here's the story in question:

Valley home sales rise 43 percent last month over 2007; median price falls to $550,000

By Sue McAllister

Mercury News
Article Launched: 10/21/2008 10:34:36 AM PDT

Driven largely by buyers scooping up foreclosure properties, home sales in the nine-county Bay Area soared 45 percent last month compared with September 2007, the biggest jump in more than six years.

But the median price of the homes that changed hands fell substantially in Silicon Valley and elsewhere in the Bay Area, according to a report Tuesday from MDA DataQuick, and some economists predict the trend to continue into 2009.

Of the nine Bay Area counties, Santa Clara County landed in the middle of the pack last month, experiencing a less severe price decline and a less robust sales increase than some other counties.

Nearly one-third of the homes sold in Santa Clara County last month — and more than 40 percent of those sold in the Bay Area — had recently been in foreclosure.

The median price of the resale single-family houses in Santa Clara County was $550,000 in September, down 29 percent from a year earlier. A total of 1,116 resale houses sold in the county, 43 percent more than in September 2007.

In Contra Costa County, by comparison, median prices fell 50 percent while sales more than doubled compared with last year. But the steep increases are being compared with a dismal September 2007, which recorded the worst sales for any September in DataQuick's records.

Santa Clara County's September results were less dramatic than those of some other counties in part because its economy has remained relatively strong, said Christopher Thornberg of Beacon Economics.

"It's a higher-income area," and homeowners are "less overleveraged," he said, than in the eastern reaches of Contra Costa or Solano counties, for example.

Thornberg said he thinks Bay Area home prices will bottom out next year.

"Then it's going to sit there for a year or two or three," he said. "2012 is when we are looking for some recovery in housing."

DataQuick's report showed that in San Mateo County, the median price of resale houses fell to $650,000 in September, down 18.8 percent from a year earlier. The median price of Alameda County houses fell 33.3 percent to $400,000. In Contra Costa County, the median price of single-family houses plunged to $295,000, down 49.6 percent from September 2007.

Unfortunately for homeowners watching their equity shrink, the nadir of the market isn't here yet, said Sean Randolph, president of the Bay Area Council Economic Institute.

"Housing prices actually still have some way to go before they bottom out, but that varies by where you are in the region," Randolph said. He said the counties that experienced the biggest boost in sales are those where foreclosures are most significant. "Those are also the counties where you have the greatest density of homes where the amount of the mortgage is higher than the value of the house itself."

Jason Chan Lee of realty brokerage Silicon Valley REO has a different view of prices than the economists: He thinks they have already hit bottom in some parts of the valley.

"The interest level in South San Jose in low-end homes is extremely high. Prices have definitely bottomed out, because any good buy out there, you have multiple offers," which serve to drive the price up, he said.

"It's so easy to buy a house now, since the prices have dropped 50 percent-plus in some areas," he said.

Tuesday, he showed some clients a four-bedroom, bank-owned Alum Rock house that last sold for $732,000 and is now listed for $349,000. "You can't beat that," he said.

Nearly 42 percent of all resale homes sold in the Bay Area last month had been foreclosed upon at some time in the prior 12 months, according to the DataQuick report.

In Santa Clara County, for example, 30.5 percent of resales last month were of homes that had been foreclosed upon sometime in the past 12 months. Of the nine Bay Area counties, Solano County had the highest portion of such sales, at 67.9 percent, while San Francisco had just 9.5 percent.

In September 2007, just 6.9 percent of resales were previously foreclosed properties.


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Re: Housing market finally starting to hit bottom?

Postby KaiineTN » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:34 pm

I think we're a long ways from the bottom. The bottom will come after a series of upswings and downswings, and this is just one of them. Maybe it's the bottom of the current downswing, though. I'd guess we'll see the real bottom around 2014-2018.

By the way, isn't it funny how when housing prices rise, they're all over you with property tax hikes? Yet when they fall, they seem to put off evaluating worth and adjusting taxes...
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Re: Housing market finally starting to hit bottom?

Postby Nusk » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:50 pm

arlos, read the book cycles of war cycles of peace: the next 7 years

while it does have some serious bullshit the author's outline on how the market cycles is spot on

we should of had a recession in 2000 but the war put it on hold for a few years
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Re: Housing market finally starting to hit bottom?

Postby ClakarEQ » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:41 am

Did you guys catch any of the footage with the 3 big credit firms when the CEO's were put in front on that congressional panel? I only caught a blurb of it but apparently there were several internal communications acknowledging they are giving credit to companies and noting values twice as much as they really were. Pretty much saying things like "I hope we're rich and retired by the time this whole things blows up".

That is the type of shit where I think these guys should be held liable even to the extreme of treason. They knowingly put our country at great risk and had gambled that the bubble wouldn't burst, at least on their watch.

I agree with Kaiine though, I don't think we've hit bottom, not yet.
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Re: Housing market finally starting to hit bottom?

Postby Kramer » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:07 pm

i tend to think that the high end home market is rarely if barely effected by crunches like this... you are typically dealing with people who are far less effected by ecomnomic trouble than those who are struggling to pay bills each month
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