Trump 2012

[Tikker]

I didnt say no trade I said fair trade instead of free trade.

put in protection laws

no, you didn't

you can't have fair trade AND protection laws

free trade (in theory) means you trade at fair value, rather than inflated protection prices

you start slapping more embargo on trade goods, and we stop selling you our oil, and sell it to China instead

[Spazz]

Well i guess we could always take it

[Narrock]

America needs to be run like a business again to get back on our feet. I am willing to accept a candidate who is "moderate" or "progressive" as far as social issues are concerned, only because right now what we need is a HARDCORE FISCAL CONSERVATIVE to turn things around... to SAVE America, and make America become a super power again. Barry is fucking this country up so bad, and spending and spending like he has an unlimited bank account and blank checks. I'm sick of his bullshit. He ran the national debt from 9.4 trillion (at the end of W's term) to over 14 trillion in less than 2.5 years. Just think how much more damage this fuckbag is going to do by the end of his term, let alone if he gets re-elected.

Okay--but Romney is also a business man, and ran MA with very similar goals to Pres. Obama, especially by way of healthcare... though for the past few years, he sure doesn't want anyone to know it.

To address the president's spending, I could have this conversation a million times but it always seems to boil down to the fact that people who pinpoint the spending never seem to acknowledge the extenuating circumstances resulting in the spending or that the previous president as a last measure of business also got that ball rolling with TARP. Though I'll agree that not all of it was necessary, it's really difficult to converse about "spend spend spend" as if it's a black and white situation because it's not. The non-partisan CBO released last year that an estimated 3 million jobs have been created as a result of his initiatives. He's put together numerous bi-partisan teams to brainstorm means of deficit reduction over the course of the years to come and comparing his spending to any era aside from that of the Great Depression would be an irrational comparison. Evaluating his expenditures in the short term is the wrong thing to do considering that much of the spending was a culmination of short and long term goals that cannot be reflected upon for years to come.

So yes, I am willing to back a celebrity, but not because of celebrity status, but because Trump has friends in foreign countries and he will make sure we have fair trading from that point forward. I honestly believe this.

Has nothing to do with celebrity.. as you recall, the messiah of tea party supporters was also an actor before he was president. My qualms with Trump have much more to do with his questionable allegiances and political alignments over the years.. his political platform is ambiguous, at best. He, like Romney, seems to be campaigning on the flavor of the week and neglecting to acknowledge past actions.

I don't view him as a credible candidate who's doing anything more than garnering publicity.. to me, he's just another Palin, albeit far wealthier and more intelligent. I don't believe for a second that his agenda would be of benefit to anyone but the top 5%, because that's all he knows how to be. Could he potentially get us back in the black eventually? Maybe (at other extreme costs)--but being the president takes a whole lot more than simple financial and profiteer savvy, and putting a bandaid fix on one item while neglecting all others will just loop us back into the same cycle.

I understand your concerns with Trump. His gazillionaire status may tend to make someone believe that he will only pad the pockets of his buddies and take care of the wealthy elites of the nation, but I think it's worth giving him a shot. Americans (including congress) will be keeping a close eye on him and will not let him get away with shenanigans that will lead to another Wall Street meltdown.

Romney, although a smart businessman, has two things going against him... his comprehensive health care reform bill for his own state does semi resemble barry's ridiculous health care reform bill... and that has made many people view him as a semi socialist and have turned away from him, AND the fact that he's mormon does not sit well with millions of Christians. Personally, I don't hold his faith against him. To me, Romney doesn't have enough fire in his belly. He's too soft spoken and too much of a Ken doll. I think the same thing about the new speaker of the house, Boehner... a Pussy.

[Tuggan]

think the word you're looking for is "tariff" not embargo, and raising ours to our competitors % would solve quite a few problems