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Postby brinstar » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:28 pm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=45203

the guy who wrote that article wrote:WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.

In addition to detonating its own nuclear weapons already planted in the U.S., military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years.

The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan."

At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.

But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan, according to an upcoming book, "The Al Qaeda Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.

According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.

"Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."

According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.

Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.

Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses.

The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.

According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.

Bin Laden's goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged.

There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.

The future plan, according to captured al-Qaida agents and documents, suggests the attacks will take place simultaneously in major cities throughout the country – including New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.

In response to the G2 Bulletin revelations, Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a citizen action group demanding the U.S. government take control of its borders, said an immediate military presence on the borders is now imperative "to stop the overwhelming influx of unidentified, potentially hostile and seditious persons coming across at an alarming rate."

"Terrorists have carte blanche to carry practically anything they want across our national line at this time," he said. "As ordinary citizens have warned this government for years, the only surprising part about the new information reported here is that nothing apocalyptic from Mexican-border weapons trafficking has yet happened. Terrorism has reared its ugly head in London again these past few days, and as we know all too well we are not immune in this country. At this point, the next attempt to attack America at home is just a matter of 'when,' not 'if.' And our unsecured borders have surely contributed to this threat – yet our government officials continue to fiddle while our nation's margin of security and safety burns away. The president and Congress had better wake up before they have to answer for another devastating terrorist incursion on our own soil."


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Postby Lyion » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:48 pm

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We've already establised the lack of credibility of worldnet news.

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Postby The Kizzy » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:50 pm

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Postby veeneedefeesh » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:41 pm

Its the signal for release of the nukes.... OH SHI....
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Postby KaiineTN » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:45 pm

If I did ever move out of the US for safety issues, I don't think I'd go for Canada.. Australia maybe? Or India/China, and become a freelancing internet tech nerd, work for like 10 dollars an hour, and live like a king!
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Postby Narrock » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:57 pm

To go along with this thread...

Poll: Americans Say World War III Likely By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 38 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Americans are far more likely than the Japanese to expect another world war in their lifetime, according to AP-Kyodo polling 60 years after World War II ended. Most people in both countries believe the first use of a nuclear weapon is never justified.

Those findings come six decades after the United States dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The war claimed about 400,000 U.S. troops around the world, more than three times that many Japanese troops and at least 300,000 Japanese civilians.

Out of the ashes, Japan and the United States forged a close political alliance. Americans and Japanese now generally have good feelings about each other.

But people in the two countries have very different views on everything from the U.S. use of the atomic bomb in 1945, fears of North Korea and the American military presence in Japan.

Some of the widest differences came on expectations of a new world war.

Six in 10 Americans said they think such a war is likely, while only one-third of the Japanese said so, according to polling done in both countries for The Associated Press and Kyodo, the Japanese news service.

"Man's going to destroy man eventually. When that will be, I don't know," said Gaye Lestaeghe of Freeport, La.

Some question whether that war has arrived, with fighting dragging on in Afghanistan and Iraq as part of the U.S. campaign against terrorism.

"I feel like we're in a world war right now," said Susan Aser, a real estate agent from Rochester, N.Y.

The Japanese were less likely than Americans to expect a world war, less worried about the threat from North Korea and less inclined to say a first strike with nuclear weapons could be justified.

"The Japanese people take peace for granted," said Hiroya Sato, 20, of Tokyo. "The Japanese people are not interested in things like war."

President Truman decided to try to end the war by dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945, and on Nagasaki three days later.

The first two atomic bombs killed tens of thousands in Hiroshima and Nagasaki; thousands more gradually died with severe radiation burns. Those bombings led to Japan's announcement on Aug. 15 that it would surrender.

Two-thirds of Americans say the use of atomic bombs was unavoidable. Only 20 percent of Japanese felt that way and three-fourths said it was not necessary. Just one-half of Americans approve of the use of the atomic bombs on Japan.

Bob Garapedian, an 81-year-old retiree from Colchester, Conn., was preparing to fly fighter planes over the planned invasion of Japan when the war ended. Asked whether using the atomic bomb was appropriate, he said without hesitation: "Absolutely!"

But military instructor Hugh "D.J." Carlen, who lives near Fort Knox, Ky., said: "I don't think we really needed to do it. We darn near had the country starved to death. We could have effected a blockade."

Skepticism about the bombings is widespread in Japan.

"I often hear the bombings were not necessary," said Toyokazu Katsumi, a 27-year-old engineer from Yokohama. "They just wanted to experiment with them."

For 63-year-old Masashi Muroi of Tokyo, the attacks with atomic bombs "were mass, indiscriminate killings and perhaps violated international law."

For younger people, World War II is something seen only on newsreel footage, in the movies and in history books. For those who lived through it, the memories are vivid.

Hideko Mori, a 71-year-old Tokyo housewife, said that as a child in Nagano in central Japan, she and her neighbors had to take refuge to avoid American air raids.

"Around the time I was in the 5th grade, when we went to school, instead of attending classes, we plowed the school grounds and planted potatoes and pumpkins, and we dug up bomb shelters," she said.

People in both countries overwhelmingly perceive the other country favorably now.

Four in five Americans have an upbeat view of Japan and two-thirds of Japanese feel that way about the U.S. But older people were not quite as enthusiastic.

"I dislike the Japanese military, but not the Japanese people," World War II veteran William Aleshire, 84, of Peachtree City, Ga., said during a recent visit to a war memorial in Washington.

Some of the good feelings may stem from the close cooperation between the U.S. and Japan in postwar rebuilding and from America's financial support.

During the years when American troops occupied Japan, economic reforms enabled Japanese farmers to own their own land. With U.S. help, Japan grew into an economic power.

"The Americans contributed so much to the reconstruction of Japan after the war. I think their influence was very significant and positive," said 62-year-old Yasuzo Higuchi of Tokyo. "Even now, because of their presence in our country, North Korea can't attack us."

Americans' good will about the Japanese extends to their government, with six in 10 in the U.S. regarding it as trustworthy. But more than half of the Japanese distrust Washington.

Asked whether a first strike with nuclear weapons ever could be justified, a majority in both countries said no. But Americans were twice as likely as the Japanese to think such a strike might be justified in some circumstances.

Since the war, the U.S. military presence in Japan has come to be accepted in most of Japan, but stirs resentment on the island of Okinawa.

The Japanese are evenly split on whether the U.S. troops should stay or go, the polling found. Three-fourths of Americans said this country should keep its military in Japan.

"Any country that will allow us to keep a base there as a forward lookout post, I think we ought to do it," said Wade Hill, a copier technician who lives near Dallas. "We need a buffer zone."

The strongest rivalry between the U.S. and Japan now is economic. The presence of Americans products has increased in Japan, though Tokyo continues to have a large trade surplus with Washington.

Japanese are most likely to name the U.S. as the most important country for their economy, possibly a reflection of the success among Americans for Japanese automobiles and electronics. Americans were most likely to name China as most important for the U.S. economy.

Trade tensions have increased between the United States and China after America ran up a $162 billion deficit with China last year, the largest ever with a single country.

Some see economic competition as the most important battle between countries these days.

"I don't think it will be like World War II," said James DiVita of Sandusky, Ohio, who works in manufacturing. "It will be more of a silent takeover with dollars, buying up companies."

The poll of 1,000 adults in the United States was conducted for the AP by Ipsos, an international polling company, from July 5-10 and the poll of 1,045 eligible voters in Japan was conducted for Kyodo by the Public Opinion Research Center from July 1-3. Each poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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Postby Ganzo » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:00 am

Mindia wrote:To go along with this thread...

Poll: Americans Say World War III


dumb ass poll, what do they think war on terror is but WW3
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Postby Thon » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:59 am

more people died in 1 hour of some world war 1 or 2 battles than we've lost in afghanistan and iraq combined since we've been there. i don't think it qualifies as a world war yet.
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Postby Martrae » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:02 am

Somehow, I don't think a death toll is the qualifier.
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Postby Ganzo » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:44 am

Thon wrote:more people died in 1 hour of some world war 1 or 2 battles than we've lost in afghanistan and iraq combined since we've been there. i don't think it qualifies as a world war yet.
we got western world vs muslim world and you don't think it qualifies? what did you expect ww3 to be, USSR and USA throwing nukes at eachother?
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Postby Thon » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:12 am

a small percentage of extremist muslims strapping some homemade bombs on themselves isn't a world war.
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Postby Ganzo » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:27 am

Thon wrote:a small percentage of extremist muslims strapping some homemade bombs on themselves isn't a world war.
you describing tactics of battles, not war. it is war of ideologies
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Postby DESX » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:19 pm

Ganzo wrote:
Thon wrote:more people died in 1 hour of some world war 1 or 2 battles than we've lost in afghanistan and iraq combined since we've been there. i don't think it qualifies as a world war yet.
we got western world vs muslim world and you don't think it qualifies? what did you expect ww3 to be, USSR and USA throwing nukes at eachother?




USSR and USA throwing nukes at eachother?


I'm more expecting N. Korea and the U.S. throwing a nuke's at each other in some near future. Anyway lol what we are fighting are just terrorist cell's in mainly 2 countries afgahnistan and iraq..... I think it's far from war sweeping across all of europe during WW2 and the "enemys" arent really launching a massive assault against any of our allies they are just suicide bombing them to bring down moral.

I classify WW3 as china + N korea vs U.S. / Nato
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Postby Lueyen » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:31 pm

Actually Gonzo many consider the Cold War to be WW3 and that it never reached it's climax (ie the former USSR and US hurling nukes at each other). If you want to base the criteria for a world war in that of ideologies and not tactics that would strongly support the idea that the cold war was indeed the 3rd world war.

We might be seeing the beginings of another world war here, however calling it as such now I think it a bit premature. Not all of the major world super powers are even wholy involved at this time.
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Postby Ganzo » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:38 pm

argument of opinions
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Postby Lueyen » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:48 pm

True since there isn't really a standard set criteria of what does or does not constitute a world war.
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Postby Thon » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:56 pm

perhaps 10's of millions dead across all sides and entire countries bombed into the stone age?
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Postby Captain Insano » Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:41 pm

I'm not worried if we get nuked... I live just south of LA. I doubt that its a target... All the liberal terrorist love from our friendly hollywood actors should stave off any attack.

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Postby Langston » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:49 pm

There is no such thing as a "suitcase"-size 2 kiloton nuclear weapon. Let me explain why:

A nuclear weapon is fashioned with a nuclear core, a conventional explosive "wrapper" and the electronics to initiate the conventional detonation.

Now, the reason why this wouldn't fit into a suitcase:

The plutonium/uranium core is shaped. It's a round construction because you need 3 dimensional symmetry for the collapse of the core to be uniform and create a k-positive (self-sustaining) nuclear event. If the core isn't round, the detonation of the conventional explosive would cause a "squirting" of the core and the loss of concentrated mass to create the fission.

The conventional explosive is also shaped - completely encasing the nuclear core. For the amount of nuclear material necessary to create a 2 kiloton weapon it would require a larger amount (volume-wise) of conventional explosive. This would create a large, round core that would exceed the size of anything smaller than a rather large shipping trunk. The electronics for the detonation are also going to add some size to the overall device as you have a number of triggers symmetrically placed to detonate the shaped conventional explosive in a collapsing sphere.

What it boils down to is this:

Yes, you could build a nuclear device that fit into a suitcase... but it wouldn't be a 2 kiloton weapon... maybe 1/20 of that. It would still be very destructive, but it wouldn't level a city, maybe like a city block. The fallout would be localized. Small weapons like these are considered "battle field" nuclear weapons used for taking out "hard" targets such as bunkers, etc.

Another issue with this story is that any nuclear device would require a large amount of shielding... typically lead plating or a thick layer of steel. The shielding alone would like way as much as they claimed the entire weapon would weigh. If the device wasn't shielded, ignoring the health risks that would be present to anyone that came in contact with the weapon, the radiation would be detected by the satellite system that we have circling our country (and key points around the world) used to track the movement of dangerous, unshielded fissile material.

Now - I'm not debunking the theory that there could be smuggled nuclear weapons present in the US - I'm just saying that the fantastic (not a "cool" fantastic... a "fantasy" kind of fantastic) suitcase nukes don't exist in the form or fashion that is implied or directly commented upon by your oh so trustworthy "news" source.

No need to fear, Brinstar.

Oh - and to all of you people who are reading this thinking "yeah - who died and made you an expert on nuclear weapons? huh?!"... I worked at a DOE nuclear weapons facility for 5 years... I've seen the schematics and I've seen several of the integral parts of a nuclear weapon. I've not built one myself and anything I've said here could have been discovered on the internet if you were so inclined to research it. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I know more than the common person does.
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Postby mofish » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:39 pm

Yeah Im not scared of a suitcase nuke. The worst they can do with something like that is a 'dirty' bomb. Which wouldnt really do any more damage than a normal bomb. Just scare the shit out of people really, which is the whole point.
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Postby Captain Insano » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:38 am

I expect the next terrorist attack will involve sharks with lazer beams!
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Postby Tikker » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:15 am

will they be angry sharks?
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Postby Captain Insano » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:22 am

Probably... since they will be sharks from allah and everyone knows muslims are all angry violent creatures.
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Postby belfior » Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:24 am

I heard snero needed hugs, but not a roomate. Stinkin quebecois
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