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Re: I have no words.

Postby Sorina S » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:43 pm

arlos wrote:You know what, fuck the environment, if humanity is capable of producing people like this, maybe it's better we do wipe ourselves out.

PURCELL, Oklahoma (CNN) -- A 10-year-old Purcell, Oklahoma, girl was the victim of a horrific plan of kidnap, rape, torture and cannibalism, authorities said Saturday.

Investigators late Friday found Jamie Rose Bolin's body in a plastic storage tub in the bedroom closet of 26-year-old Kevin Underwood, said Tim Kuykendall, the district attorney for McClain County.

The medical examiner said the girl, who had been missing since Wednesday, died of asphyxiation and blunt blows to the head, Kuykendall told a news conference Saturday. The district attorney added that her injuries were also consistent with a "serious attempt to cut the head off the body."

Underwood -- who is in custody but has not been formally charged -- and the girl lived in the same apartment complex. He does not have a felony criminal history or known mental illness.

Evidence seized from Underwood's apartment included a decorative dagger authorities say was used to try to decapitate the girl, a hacksaw, a meat tenderizer, barbecue skewers and a wooden cutting board, Kuykendall said.

Also found were a dismantled bicycle under a bed, a mug thought to have been carried by the girl into the apartment, a video of a cable television documentary on serial killers and a computer, Kuykendall said.

Underwood purchased the hacksaw, skewers and meat tenderizer in the months before the girl died, Kuykendall said.

The girl was struck on the head with the cutting board "three to four times," Kuykendall said, and Underwood suffocated her using duct tape and covering her mouth with his hand.

Kuykendall said it was believed the girl screamed "numerous times." It was unclear how her cries apparently went unheard.

"She pled for her life," he said. "The first thing out of her mouth when he first hit her was, 'I'm sorry.' "

After the news conference, Kuykendall said authorities believe she did not die immediately.

An autopsy report is being finalized.
'This was well planned out'

Authorities believe the girl was molested after she had died, Kuykendall told CNN after the news conference.

Her clothes had been removed and placed with her inside the tub, along with a towel to soak up blood, Kuykendall said.

Authorities think she was killed before police were notified that she had disappeared.

"This was well planned out," said said Purcell Police Chief David Tompkins. He added that other individuals, including an woman and a 5-year-old boy, also were targeted and considered.

"But Rose was the one who was selected for this plan," he said.

Police suspect she was selected simply because she walked past Underwood's apartment on Wednesday.

The two were acquainted, authorities said. Underwood had a pet rat that would sit on his shoulder, Tompkins said, and the girl had previously seen and petted it.

The night before her death, she had intended to use a pay phone in the apartment building to order pizza, according to Kuykendall. Underwood had offered his phone, but the girl responded that she would get in trouble if she went into his apartment because she was not allowed to enter strangers' homes, Kuykendall said.

However, she apparently did use his phone to place the order, according to Kuykendall.

The next day, she is believed to have gone into Underwood's apartment voluntarily, Kuykendall said.

"Whether you term that 'lured in' or not, I believe she went into the apartment of her own free will," he said.

Underwood is being held without bail at McClain County jail and is scheduled to appear before a judge Monday to face a charge of first-degree murder. Other charges are also possible, said Kuykendall, who added that he would seek the death penalty.

Underwood did not have an attorney as of Saturday, according to Kuykendall.
'He was very quiet'

Balloons, flowers and a teddy bear have been left outside the apartment building.

"It's very hard to talk to a family about things like this," said Kuykendall, who informed the Bolin family of Underwood's alleged plan.

"I kind of look at it in terms of, would I want to know what happened to my daughter, my child?" he said.

Underwood had lived in the apartment for about a year and a half and, according to Tompkins, and had worked at a grocery store for a year and at a fast food restaurant before that.

FBI investigators first identified Underwood as a person of interest when they stopped him at a roadside checkpoint near the apartment complex, Kuykendall said.

After an interview, Underwood consented to a search of his apartment, during which investigators found the child's body, Kuykendall said. A search warrant was then obtained, he said.

"He was very quiet ... comes from a nice family" and had a close relationship with relatives, Kuykendall told CNN describing Underwood.

"Nothing in his background that we know of would have indicated that he could have done this. He was the guy next door."


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Evil exists in this world. We blunder forth in our pursuit of happiness and pay no mind to things happening outside our personal scope of reality. That's really bad. That's where we fail as a society, that's where we fail as a species. We have control over this you know. In fact we are the only species that does.

I won't say that any given event can be avoided, I will say that the spread of faith will make those events less frequent. The right to free will comes with dire responsibilities. It's not enough to blame the offender, we need to blame ourselves for allowing him to be created.

Trust me I hate this person deeply. But more I hate the condition of a society that lets him exist. If this story touched you then tomorrow change your ways. Don't go blindly into the day. Choose to be righteous and benevolent. Choose to be kind. Choose to be human. You never know what a stroke of kindness might seed.

Pray for the begotten, they will judge you. All the best SS~
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Re: I have no words.

Postby vonkaar » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:12 pm

Sorina S wrote:Choose to be righteous and benevolent. Choose to be kind. Choose to be human.


Choose a fucking big television. Choose washing machines, cars,
compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low colesterol and dental care. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear. Choose matching luggage. Choose a three piece suit. Choose a DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mindnumbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embrassment to the selfish fucked-up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose future. Choose life.

But why would I want to do a thing like that?

I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who need reasons when you've got heroin?
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Postby Arlos » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:38 pm

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Re: I have no words.

Postby Sorina S » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:40 pm

vonkaar wrote:I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who need reasons when you've got heroin?


When your heroin is Fay Wray, who can agrue? Vonk, you are a retard. Worse, you are a Texan. And we all know God smites Texas.

No worries, some people choose to be human, some choose to be Texan. Takes all kinds. Thanks for fuckin with my heartfelt feelings Vonk, go rope some cows man...or shoot some quail...

SS~

p.s. Some of my ex best friends are Texans

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Re: I have no words.

Postby Lueyen » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:24 pm

Sorina S wrote:When your heroin is Fay Wray, who can agrue? Vonk, you are a retard. Worse, you are a Texan. And we all know God smites Texas.

No worries, some people choose to be human, some choose to be Texan. Takes all kinds. Thanks for fuckin with my heartfelt feelings Vonk, go rope some cows man...or shoot some quail...

SS~

p.s. Some of my ex best friends are Texans

OT never mind heh


Nice personal attacks on Vonk there, oh and every resident of the state of Texas. It doesn't appear to me that Vonk was "fuckin with" your "heartfelt feelings", but parodying your post instead, with a polar opposite yet just as deluded view of reality. Honestly it was a fairly tame response to the condescending and egotistical nature with which you chose to express your feelings on the matter.



Sorina S wrote:Evil exists in this world.


Glad you cleared that up for those who weren't sure of it.

Sorina S wrote:We blunder forth in our pursuit of happiness and pay no mind to things happening outside our personal scope of reality. That's really bad. That's where we fail as a society, that's where we fail as a species. We have control over this you know. In fact we are the only species that does.


Perhaps you blunder around oblivious to the world around you self centered in your own private reality but don't place everyone else in that same boat. Really how many pages is this thread alone up to now, that kind of indicates that people are paying attention to things outside of their own self centered world. Great you took off your blinders, don't assume everyone else has had or still has theirs on.

Sorina S wrote:I won't say that any given event can be avoided, I will say that the spread of faith will make those events less frequent.


Great atrocities have been committed under the guise of faith, or more correctly the belief that ones particular faith is the cure all for all the problems of the world, and right for everyone. Now that you have your blinders off, start looking around, and you will notice that most of the people reading your message already have in one form or another faith in something, just maybe not what you have faith in.


Sorina S wrote:The right to free will comes with dire responsibilities. It's not enough to blame the offender, we need to blame ourselves for allowing him to be created.


I do not accept one ounce of responsibility for the offenders existence or actions, and neither should anyone else who wasn't directly involved with him. Fault lies not with individuals, or society, but with the very evil that mentioned existing in this world (and fyi the source of that evil isn't based in Texas).

Sorina S wrote:Trust me I hate this person deeply. But more I hate the condition of a society that lets him exist. If this story touched you then tomorrow change your ways. Don't go blindly into the day. Choose to be righteous and benevolent. Choose to be kind. Choose to be human. You never know what a stroke of kindness might seed.


Do you even see your own hypocrisy here? You tell others to choose a righteous, kind and benevolent path, a path furthering good just after you speak of your own hatred. News flash, hatred is a core precept of the evil you spoke of earlier.


Sorina S wrote:Pray for the begotten, they will judge you.


Nice flowery nonsensical bullshit. Do YOU even know what you were trying to say with this sentence? First of all grammatically begotten is an adjective, not a noun as you seem to be trying to use it. I definitely have no place trying to play grammar Nazi here, don't mistake my intent, I'm just trying to explain why this sentence made no sense. Putting aside that error in trying to comprehend what you meant by this, you seem to be saying pray for someone or something that will be judging you. From a Christian religious standpoint begotten is generally used in reference to Christ being begotten of the Father... and this would fit with the reference to judgment in the belief that someday God will judge you. However it breaks down in that one would pray TO God, not FOR God. Perhaps you mean someone or something else, however I am then confused as judgment would be done by God and not someone or something else. I may be making an error here trying to figure it out from a perspective based in Christian doctrine, If so I apologize for my ignorance of your religion, and for the assumption that you were a Christian. I would be very interested in what particular religious perspective this comes from, and an explanation of it's meaning.
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Postby kaharthemad » Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:19 am

ok looking back I will refine my post... lets say I am more pationate about the death penaly then most because of who I am. I have buried far to many friends in my time and a few of those deaths were what would be considered murder. last summer it was a friend of mine that worked for the Atlanta SWAT. He went to a house with his team to arrest someone for Child endangerment, and Child pornography and the fucker opened fired on him killing him. I knew him and I knew his partner. His partner more so since we went to school together. I dont think anyone will understand what it is like to tell someone their child, or husband is dead at the hands of a murderer. Frankly there is enough tape evidence on this prick that there should be a trial then a toasting right afterward.

Oh and Sorrina? I think both me and vonk have found something we agree on....

Your a smeghead.
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Re: I have no words.

Postby Adivina » Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:37 pm

Sorina S wrote:
vonkaar wrote:I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who need reasons when you've got heroin?


When your heroin is Fay Wray, who can agrue? Vonk, you are a retard. Worse, you are a Texan. And we all know God smites Texas.

No worries, some people choose to be human, some choose to be Texan. Takes all kinds. Thanks for fuckin with my heartfelt feelings Vonk, go rope some cows man...or shoot some quail...

SS~

p.s. Some of my ex best friends are Texans

OT never mind heh


Good job not recognizing that his reply was a book/movie quote. :P

EDIT - apparently the first time around I thought replay was an ok spelling of reply... oh accidently hit keys how I hate you!
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Postby vonkaar » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:43 pm

I'm pretty sure Sorina was being sarcastic.
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Postby Yamori » Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:45 pm

kaharthemad wrote:ok looking back I will refine my post... lets say I am more pationate about the death penaly then most because of who I am. I have buried far to many friends in my time and a few of those deaths were what would be considered murder. last summer it was a friend of mine that worked for the Atlanta SWAT. He went to a house with his team to arrest someone for Child endangerment, and Child pornography and the fucker opened fired on him killing him. I knew him and I knew his partner. His partner more so since we went to school together. I dont think anyone will understand what it is like to tell someone their child, or husband is dead at the hands of a murderer. Frankly there is enough tape evidence on this prick that there should be a trial then a toasting right afterward.

Oh and Sorrina? I think both me and vonk have found something we agree on....

Your a smeghead.



On the opposite side of the coin - imagine telling someone's child or wife:

"Hey - it turns out your daddy didn't do anything wrong. Sorry about that whole dragging him away in chains, telling the newspapers he is a murderer, and electrocuting him to death in a room full of people. Don't that beat all? At least justice is preserved though!"
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Postby Hatak » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:55 pm

I can see both sides of the death penalty debate. Here in my hometown, 7 years ago there was a national news story (that's currently being written about by John Grisham) about 2 men that were wrongfully convicted for murder, was on death row, and 1 of the 2 men was 5 days from execution when they were granted a new trial.

DNA evidence had proven finally that both men did not commit the murder and that the man that the DNA belonged to was in prison already for another set of crimes. These 2 men lost years and nearly their lives for crimes they did not commit. The murder was nearly as gruesome of a tale as of the poor girl mentioned before.

An article in reference to this case I'm speaking of can be found here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/04/ ... 1879.shtml

There will always be a problem of wrongful convictions as we are human. Give an innocent man life in prison and he'll say he lost his life wrongfully but can still correspond with his family/friends and have hope. Execute an innocent man, he can't say anything.

I don't personally think the death penalty is much of a deterrent. If someone is going to murder, chances are they're not thinking about the consequences at the time.
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Postby Diekan » Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:50 am

To paraphrase a line from a Law and Order episode: "the constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victims." I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. Far to often we as a society are more concerned about the precious rights of the accused than we are with the victims and the lives they've destroyed.

If prison were really a place to fear and if life sentences actually meant LIFE and not 15 years with good behavior I think more people would be willing to relent in their demand for the death penalty. Yet, this isn't at all the case. Evidence that would prove someone's guilt beyond any reasonable doubt can get thrown out of court on some asinine technicality. When and IF a defendant is found guilty and sent to prison, what? They look forward to three hot meals, free medical care (including being put on a list for organ transplants), free educations, free cable TV, access to basketball courts, weight rooms, and in some cases they’re even allowed conjugal visits.

Try telling that to the family of a murder victim, "We're sending him up the river for 25 years, although be prepared because he probably won't serve more than 15, where he’ll be treated better than the basic trainees of our armed forces." So, in the end a murderer can potentially walk out of prison serving less than 20 years for his crime, armed with a free education and in tip top health. While the family of the victim continues to suffer from the needless loss of a loved one who committed no other crime than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Problem is we can't make prisons tough, nor can we deny prisoners the chance to "better themselves" while incarcerated. Do that and the liberals will riot. Seems that making someone break big rocks into little rocks is "cruel and unusual punishment." What bunk.

The death penalty, because of it's finality, gives the victims' families closure in the knowledge the SOB will never see the light of day, literally.

Now, you wanna take a kid who got busted and sent up for a few years for dealing drugs or stealing a car and teach them an employable skill and maybe provide some psychological counseling? I'm down with that. You want to take a hooker and try to show her that there's a better life for her through this or that means, and maybe get her off meth while she’s locked up? I'm down with that too. But, no way in hell do I favor giving those who commit the most heinous of crimes anything but bread, water and a few prison guard beatings now and then to remind them of why they are there.

You change the law so that life in prison literally means the rest of your natural life with no parole and hard labor with no "perks" and I'll be a little less blood thirsty in wanting to see them with a needle in their arm. That'll never happen. Not in a million years. In a country where one city has a higher crime rate than half of Europe we're far to "civilized" for such brutality.
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Postby Minrott » Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:01 am

The rights of the accused become precious indeed when you find yourself at the end of the establishments finger.

That said, I agree "life" should mean "life." Prison should be punishment, not a training ground to disversify ones criminal repitoire.
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Postby Diekan » Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:17 am

The death penalty, in a way, is the only true form of punishment for society's most dangerous and despicable criminals. Certainly in the eyes of the victim's family.

It's one thing to guarantee a fair and speedy trial for the accused. To allow a defendant to face their accuser. To be presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's entirely another when the scales of justice are tipped in favor of the criminals.

Our justice system is more or less a laughing stock in the eyes of the rest of the industrialized world. Where else but in America can you get away with murder for eating to many Twinkies?
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Postby Hatak » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:06 pm

Diekan wrote:The death penalty, in a way, is the only true form of punishment for society's most dangerous and despicable criminals. Certainly in the eyes of the victim's family.


That's not necessarily true either. In the trial of Oklahoma vs. Terry Nichols for 161 counts of murder in the Oklahoma City Bombing, many victims' families opposed the death penalty for him because they believed there had been enough killing. Not everyone cries for blood whenever a loved one dies at the hands of another person.
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Postby Yamori » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:01 pm

To paraphrase a line from a Law and Order episode: "the constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victims." I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. Far to often we as a society are more concerned about the precious rights of the accused than we are with the victims and the lives they've destroyed.


The constitution is a shield for the innocent.

The notion that it's a "sword" for victims is baseless wishful thinking - feel free to name parts of the constitution that are geared towards that premise. Because the bill of rights sure as hell isn't, and none of the ammendments that I can think of are.
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Postby Yamori » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:14 pm

On another note:

It is CHILDISH to think that the judicial system exists to satisfy your (or anyone else's) personal emotional angst or vendetta against another person as its primary duty.

It exists to maintain order - just like the rest of the governmental branches. In this case - removing criminals from the public and providing official arbitration for disputes.

Would you honestly expect your personal rage to be justification for any other governmental demand?
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Postby Minrott » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:31 pm

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Postby Diekan » Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:09 am

No what's childish is trying to give criminals second chances. You go out and murder somenoe because your mommy touched you when you were little doesn't mean you get a free ride in prison.

You liberal minded people just don't get it. You feel sorry for the criminal and paint the victim as some creature who deserved what they got. It's almost as if you yourselves wish you have to gumption to go out and do what they did. I really don't get it.

I understand the need to ensure that trials are fair and a person is innocent until proven guilty. But, you people are just fucked in the head. You'd rather take a man who goes out rapes, beats and leaves a woman for dead and give them a lolly pop and a good hard talking to - then putting them back out on the streets. The very idea of actually PUNISHING someone scares the living shit out of you people. I guess it stems from your pure hate of anything that has to do with order or authority.

With very few exceptions, crime is a matter of choice.... CHOICE. Not some mysterious gene, not because your daddy played hide the sausage with you when you were little, not because you're poor, not because you're black.... free choice.

You mureder, rape someone or molest a child you don't get a second chance, period.
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Postby Tossica » Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:53 am

Diekan wrote:You liberal minded people just don't get it. You feel sorry for the criminal and paint the victim as some creature who deserved what they got. It's almost as if you yourselves wish you have to gumption to go out and do what they did. I really don't get it.


Man, you sure have gotten fucking stupid over the last few years. I used to somewhat agree with many of your posts. Now it sounds like living so close to the Mason Dixon line has finally choked the life out of those last few brain cells.

Shut the fuck up and and have another shot of Southern Comfort to ease the pain.
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Postby Jay » Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:43 am

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Postby Harrison » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:11 am

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Postby Snero » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:19 am

You liberal minded people just don't get it. You feel sorry for the criminal and paint the victim as some creature who deserved what they got. It's almost as if you yourselves wish you have to gumption to go out and do what they did. I really don't get it.


are you kidding me?? nobody feels bad for any criminal, in this thread, all the "liberal minded people" have said was they were against the death penalty, thats it.
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Postby Zanchief » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:20 am

Diekan wrote:To paraphrase a line from a Law and Order episode: "the constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victims." I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. Far to often we as a society are more concerned about the precious rights of the accused than we are with the victims and the lives they've destroyed.


And how does killing someone help society at all, aside from alleviating some misguided sense of vengeance?
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Postby Zanchief » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:21 am

kaharthemad wrote:ok looking back I will refine my post... lets say I am more pationate about the death penaly then most because of who I am. I have buried far to many friends in my time and a few of those deaths were what would be considered murder. last summer it was a friend of mine that worked for the Atlanta SWAT. He went to a house with his team to arrest someone for Child endangerment, and Child pornography and the fucker opened fired on him killing him. I knew him and I knew his partner. His partner more so since we went to school together. I dont think anyone will understand what it is like to tell someone their child, or husband is dead at the hands of a murderer. Frankly there is enough tape evidence on this prick that there should be a trial then a toasting right afterward.

Oh and Sorrina? I think both me and vonk have found something we agree on....

Your a smeghead.


Did you feel that strongly about evil criminals when you were a useless coke snorting parasite?
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