2008 Presidential Candidate Spending Analyses

[Martrae]

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... 556.column


Relevant to the subject at hand.

[Evermore]

I suppose you think all terrorists are uneducated and assbackward.

Actually no, that was my whole argument. I think they can get a better education in their own country. They don't need to sneak over hear to steal all your super secret 5th grade curriculum.

"We now know the molecular composition of Zinc! Death to the infidels!"

see that's my issue they don't "sneak over HERE" as you put it. they simply apply. Maybe you want to try and compare the quality of education over there to our "5th grade curriculum". You really need to learn what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

Here is a good example for you. I work in a hospital in NJ. http://www.cooperhealth.org. this is a teaching hospital, which means that we get large amounts of nursing and medical students and doc doing residencies in a vaired number of fields. We just recieved the tenative class list for this years residents. there are 328 residents/fellows listed here in varios stages of their residency. 263 of them are from foreign countries, roughly 2/3 of that number are from the middle east. I would post this list however state and federal law prevents it. that is just THIS facility. its much larger at Temple, Jefferson, and U of Penn. This list does not include med students, nursing students, the Correll Institute or UMDNJ students. Click on the medical education link to see what is offered and you may get an idea of what i am talking about instead of sitting on your moose and making uninformed statements.

[Evermore]

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein1feb01,0,6343556.column


Relevant to the subject at hand.

good article Mar

[Evermore]

does it not bother you guys that Paul wants to spend 68 million LESS on education/science/research ?

Honestly, either he spends less on stuff or we go bankrupt and it all goes away. It's time the government stopped being bad credit examples and buckled down.

they live in canada and do not understand the financial situation here. they apparently do not understand things like 202 billion dollar trade deficit, etc.

[Zanchief]

Here is a good example for you. I work in a hospital in NJ. http://www.cooperhealth.org. this is a teaching hospital, which means that we get large amounts of nursing and medical students and doc doing residencies in a vaired number of fields. We just recieved the tenative class list for this years residents. there are 328 residents/fellows listed here in varios stages of their residency. 263 of them are from foreign countries, roughly 2/3 of that number are from the middle east. I would post this list however state and federal law prevents it. that is just THIS facility. its much larger at Temple, Jefferson, and U of Penn. This list does not include med students, nursing students, the Correll Institute or UMDNJ students. Click on the medical education link to see what is offered and you may get an idea of what i am talking about instead of sitting on your moose and making uninformed statements.

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So you hate immigrants because they steal all your welfare money, and now you hate them because they are trying to educate themselves legally? I truly do not understand what point you're trying to make? You don't like that you have a roster full of Muslims at you little hospital for what reason? I'm trying to understand you but all your saying is "I don't like Arabs and I don't want them in my school."

I'll repeat WHAT THE CHRIST IS YOUR POINT?

Unprecedented levels of stupidity here Evermore. I seriously read your response in complete disbelief.

[Evermore]

Here is a good example for you. I work in a hospital in NJ. http://www.cooperhealth.org. this is a teaching hospital, which means that we get large amounts of nursing and medical students and doc doing residencies in a vaired number of fields. We just recieved the tenative class list for this years residents. there are 328 residents/fellows listed here in varios stages of their residency. 263 of them are from foreign countries, roughly 2/3 of that number are from the middle east. I would post this list however state and federal law prevents it. that is just THIS facility. its much larger at Temple, Jefferson, and U of Penn. This list does not include med students, nursing students, the Correll Institute or UMDNJ students. Click on the medical education link to see what is offered and you may get an idea of what i am talking about instead of sitting on your moose and making uninformed statements.

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So you hate immigrants because they steal all your welfare money, and now you hate them because they are trying to educate themselves legally? I truly do not understand what point you're trying to make? You don't like that you have a roster full of Muslims at you little hospital for what reason? I'm trying to understand you but all your saying is "I don't like Arabs and I don't want them in my school."

I'll repeat WHAT THE CHRIST IS YOUR POINT?

Unprecedented levels of stupidity here Evermore. I seriously read your response in complete disbelief.

Jesus fucking christ are you this thick? I was responding to Ron Paul removing the department of education. I had stated that alot of the "terrorists" were educated in America and the US government paid for it. You, once again, proceeded to make asshole, idiototic, uneducated and uninformed statements such as:

Actually no, that was my whole argument. I think they can get a better education in their own country. They don't need to sneak over hear to steal all your super secret 5th grade curriculum.

"We now know the molecular composition of Zinc! Death to the infidels!"

they are not sneaking into bumfuck canada trying to get you to teach them how to fuck a moose in the ass btw.

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HAHAHA oh man, yea everyone really wants a piece of that sweet American education system. Imagine what the terrorists could do with that?!?!

what a display of knowledge and you show what a strong grasp of a concept so obviously foreign to you. Bravo. Sheer Genius. See what pot and beer can do for you?

Now you are attempting to use my example of what I am saying and twist it into an "Evermore hates Arabs" thing, totally failing once again. i dont hate arabs, never said i did, that is your fabrication. I dislike the system thats in place and it needs to be changed. This is something you keep proving over and over and over again that you know nothing about. You should really just shut the fuck up and stick to things you know.


Chief you aren't allowed to post in my threads anymore. You are too fucking blind and uneducated to understand or even make an intelligent arguement. Do the world a favor and stay in Canada, thou i am not sure Canada deserves douchebags like you.

[Tossica]

I don't know Evermore, you've posted some pretty fuckin retarded shit in this thread. Go back and read it again. You aren't making any sense.

[Zanchief]

I seriously don't even understand the point he's trying to make.

How are terrorists getting government subsidies to help them build bombs? How is the roster of the little community college hospital you work at any evidence to some Arab conspiracy. What does it matter that a lot of Arab people have enrolled in your school? They aren't getting any more money from the government then a born and raised American.

What are you trying to say? All you're doing is talking in circles and getting mad at immigrants for trying to educate themselves. How is that bad for anyone?

[Evermore]

How are terrorists getting government subsidies to help them build bombs?

-this is the question, how are they getting the subsidies? I didnt say they were building bombs, who knows what they hell they are doing, all i said what that a good portion of them were educated in america.

How is the roster of the little community college hospital you work at any evidence to some Arab conspiracy. What does it matter that a lot of Arab people have enrolled in your school? They aren't getting any more money from the government then a born and raised American.

- this isnt a little community college, actually its rather big. I just used the student population as an example of who is being educated. maybe i misworded but what needed to show thru is that most of the students comming in are foreign and in away they are getting more money then a born and raised american in the fact they dont have to pay any income taxes for 7 years.

[Zanchief]

So you don't want foreigners going to school? You'd rather they just become uneducated drains on the economy?

[Tossica]

Huh, so brown people are more motivated to educate themselves then and you don't want your tax dollars to pay for it? Is that what you are saying?

[Arlos]

Evermore, do you even have any proof that they're even remotely being subsidized by federal college funds? That would surprise me quite a bit. Hell, speaking from experience, the funds available to CITIZENS are puny. If the college itself subsidizes them, that's an entirely different kettle of fish, especially if it's a private university. Many universities, like Harvard or Stanford have investment pools running into the 30-40 BILLION dollar range, and as such have huge reservoirs of discretionary funds they can use to offer aid to whom they so choose. That is NOT the same thing, however, as a federal Pell grant or Guaranteed Student Loans. Hell, I'd be willing to bet the richer middle east nations (Dubai, etc) have their own student aid programs that those students are using to afford to come here. That money then is coming from their HOME country, NOT ours.

Oh, and no, most terrorists have never even BEEN to America, much less been educated here. Some of the 9/11 ones came here and went to flight school, but that was paid for with cash, not subsidies of any kind. Nor were they universally college students.

Sorry, Ever, but you're way off base on this one.

-Arlos

[Tuggan]

At any rate, I think Paul is the closest to emulate Reagan's stances out of all of the candidates currently, and the fact that he actually worked closely with him doesn't hurt.

How do you figure?

[Arlos]

Reagan was effectively a near mongoloid with Alzheimer's during his 2nd term. Baker & Nancy ran everything, they just trotted Ronnie out for occasional highly-scripted speeches. Couldn't stand him his first term, either. Combine that with the crap he pulled while governor of California, and he really qualifies for 1st class Douchebaggery status.

-Arlos

[Tossica]

FUCK RONALD REAGAN.

[Arlos]

Preach it, brother!



-Arlos

[Lyion]

Nice and classy there. Untrue, but truth has no bearing on partisanship.

Then again, neither of you is to the right of Fidel Castro, so no surprise.

I'm sure both of you can extoll the virtues of Carter.