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Postby vonkaar » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:27 am

A more appropriate analogy would be like...

Imagine an Boeing 747 (with unlimited fuel) that circles the Earth directly over the equator. It's done this for 4.5 billion years.

A grasshopper manages to land on one wing.

That impact causes this plane to crash into alaska.

It won't happen... look at the size of the orbits. Earth is so freaking tiny... any time they do the asteroid impact models, they do million year projections. Could these completely separate orbits ever, ever meet? If they do, would it happen to be at a time where the Earth happens to be in that intersecting point? Would the asteroid be there as well?

Tempel 1's orbital plane is only remotely similar to our own. It would take an effort beyond us... a deliberate act using technology far beyond what we have to 'push' this into an intersecting position.

It's not going to happen.
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Postby brinstar » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:28 am

Mindia wrote:
Beelz wrote:oh my God... I'm actually surprised it was sombody from Russia to pull this off and not an American. It's like sueing terrorists for 6.4 trillion dollars because my beliefs that I am safe in the U.S. have been altered. I hope she gets gang-raped by ravaged sewer rats and spends the next 70 years in excruciating pain before she dies 1 minute after she is cured.

and Just wondering in Mindia's defense, isn't there a theory or something called the Butterfly Effect? Or would this have relevence here? I mean sure this deep impact that happened may have altered the course of the comet by such miniscule proportions that any effect would not be noticed for tens of thousands of years.

This next comment is just from common sense (or lack there-of) and grade school science classes. I'm assuming that this commet is traveling at base speed and it's direction is only altered by the gravitational pull of other planets, stars, etc. Now if this comet is spinning on all 3 dimensions, a slight impact in one spot could alter it a very miniscule amount, but in many many many years it could possibly be seen in it's orbital path change that occured from this impact compared to our data we have on our records now.

The funny thing would be if this comet gets blasted in the next 10 years by another comet and NASA having to go on the defense showing that it wasn't their fault.


Yes, you're absolutely correct Beelz. But what we're dealing with here are a bunch of immature liberal/atheist/evolutionists who can't stand the fact that a conservative Christian, like me, who likes country music and can't stand crappy bands like STOOL, knows quite a bit about such a wide array of topics. So, they have to resort to trolling and screwing up otherwise perfectly good threads, starting in on the personal attacks, labeling, and name calling, and so forth and so on. Just consider the source, and there's your answer.


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Postby kaharthemad » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:30 am

Mar, that was about as confusing as three blind nuns in a tuna factory.

as for the pictures, I would really be interested in the detail as well. Be interesting to see the full disclosed report after all the data is recovered and sifted over.
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Postby Zanchief » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:35 am

Stop fagging up threads Mindia.
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Postby Phlegm » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:36 am

butterfly... grasshopper... wtf? I thought we were talking about comet veering off course and heading toward earth. Which in turn would send the whole planet into panic mode. Then Bush has to hire Bruce Willis and send him up in the space shuttle to fix things. WAIT. The space shuttles are grounded due to safety issues. WE ARE SO FUCK.
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Postby Themosticles » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:55 am

Only until July 13th, assuming nothing goes wrong in the next week.
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Postby Phlegm » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:17 am

Themosticles wrote:Only until July 13th, assuming nothing goes wrong in the next week.


Yeah... but is it too late?
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Postby Narrock » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:29 am

xaoshaen wrote:
Mindia wrote:
Beelz wrote:oh my God... I'm actually surprised it was sombody from Russia to pull this off and not an American. It's like sueing terrorists for 6.4 trillion dollars because my beliefs that I am safe in the U.S. have been altered. I hope she gets gang-raped by ravaged sewer rats and spends the next 70 years in excruciating pain before she dies 1 minute after she is cured.

and Just wondering in Mindia's defense, isn't there a theory or something called the Butterfly Effect? Or would this have relevence here? I mean sure this deep impact that happened may have altered the course of the comet by such miniscule proportions that any effect would not be noticed for tens of thousands of years.

This next comment is just from common sense (or lack there-of) and grade school science classes. I'm assuming that this commet is traveling at base speed and it's direction is only altered by the gravitational pull of other planets, stars, etc. Now if this comet is spinning on all 3 dimensions, a slight impact in one spot could alter it a very miniscule amount, but in many many many years it could possibly be seen in it's orbital path change that occured from this impact compared to our data we have on our records now.

The funny thing would be if this comet gets blasted in the next 10 years by another comet and NASA having to go on the defense showing that it wasn't their fault.


Yes, you're absolutely correct Beelz. But what we're dealing with here are a bunch of immature liberal/atheist/evolutionists who can't stand the fact that a conservative Christian, like me, who likes country music and can't stand crappy bands like STOOL, knows quite a bit about such a wide array of topics. So, they have to resort to trolling and screwing up otherwise perfectly good threads, starting in on the personal attacks, labeling, and name calling, and so forth and so on. Just consider the source, and there's your answer.


A little knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing, then. In this case, no, the butterfly effect does not apply, since we're not dealing with an inherently chaotic system.


Chaos is mind boggling. Are you a chaotician Xaoshaen? I love that stuff.
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Postby Narrock » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:31 am

Zanchief wrote:Stop fagging up threads Mindia.


Thanks for proving my point once again, troll.
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Postby Narrock » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:32 am

vonkaar wrote:A more appropriate analogy would be like...

Imagine an Boeing 747 (with unlimited fuel) that circles the Earth directly over the equator. It's done this for 4.5 billion years.

A grasshopper manages to land on one wing.

That impact causes this plane to crash into alaska.

It won't happen... look at the size of the orbits. Earth is so freaking tiny... any time they do the asteroid impact models, they do million year projections. Could these completely separate orbits ever, ever meet? If they do, would it happen to be at a time where the Earth happens to be in that intersecting point? Would the asteroid be there as well?

Tempel 1's orbital plane is only remotely similar to our own. It would take an effort beyond us... a deliberate act using technology far beyond what we have to 'push' this into an intersecting position.

It's not going to happen.


That's a pretty good explanation.
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Postby Phlegm » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:35 am

What if it's a giant fucking grasshopper? Would we need to send the space shuttles up then?
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Postby Xaiveir » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:43 am

Martrae wrote:But if that pebble hit the blimp driver in the eye it could cause him to veer and crash into the Empire State Building causing it to shower it's load of pennies (that were on board for ballast) onto the unsuspecting populace below.

Since everyone knows dropping pennies from the Empire State Building will kill people, all those falling pennies will cause massive death and mayhem in the streets of New York. Since New York has suffered enough let's condemn all pennies!!!!



Actually dropping a penny from the Empire sstate building will not kill someone. This is a myth thats been around for a long time.


The Empire State Building is 1,250 feet tall, and a penny dropped from that height would hit the ground at a rate of 280 feet per second. Taking into account the shape of a penny and the likely wind resistance it would encounter on its way down, it's unlikely a penny would even break the skin of a hapless passerby on the ground.
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Postby Wrath Child » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:50 am

vonkaar wrote:A more appropriate analogy would be like...

Imagine an Boeing 747 (with unlimited fuel) that circles the Earth directly over the equator. It's done this for 4.5 billion years.

A grasshopper manages to land on one wing.

That impact causes this plane to crash into alaska.


Ahhh, but what if there's a flock of geese flying nearby? And the lead grasshopper-loving goose turns to intercept Hoppy, our intrepid grasshopper? Mmmm?

Now seeing his impending doom, Hoppy scoots across the Boeing's wing and makes his last stand just above the outer left engine. The lead goose, so preoccupied with his thirst for fresh hopper legs, fails to notice the vicarious predicament he is leading his flock into.

Just as he opens his bill to munch down Hoppy, he and the rest of the flock are sucked into engine #1 and #2. Engine #1 begins to smoke and sputters to a halt but engine #2 inexplictively explodes! Shrapnel tears through the plane, destroying all radio communications. The fuelsalage also takes heavy damage, resulting in a massive hole in the fuel line which begins to spew billions of gallons of jet fuel into the atmosphere.

Meanwhile, just below on Chrismas Island, Hu Jintao and Kim Jong Il are holding a secret meeting to end North Korea's nuclear ambitions. The meeting has been a success, and as Kim prepares to inform the world, he notices the explosion directly overhead. Fearing the worst, he does what only comes naturally to him: he orders a nuclear strike on South Korea! Hu sighs and mutters "what the hell", before ordering the same for Taiwan.

But neither live long enough to see the results of their decisions, though, because the smouldering engine #1 suddenly explodes, igniting the billions and billions of gallons of jet fuel that by now has thoroughly saturated the North and South Pacific regions of the world.

Only by sheer luck, and a strong tailwind, does the Boeing 747 stay ahead of the blast furnace ever growing behind them. Fearing for the lives of his crew, the pilot has to make a split second decision on where to land. It has to be someplace cold to put out the fire, he reckons, so he comes up with 2 possibilities: head to the South Pole or head to Alaska! Having always wanted to see Hawaii, the choice becomes an obvious one, and he turns his plane to head north to Alaska!

With a wall of flame bellowing in pursuit, the pilot swoops down nice and low when the time comes to take his first, and last, peek at some hot hula girls before making a beeline for the Gulf of Alaska. Upon entering Prince William Sound, the pilot successfully completes a brilliant water landing, thus dousing the troublesome engine #1 and saving the world!

And what of Hoppy, the grasshopper? Rumor has it he hitched a ride to Texas shortly after landing in Alaska. They say he bought a round of drinks at the Raunchy Gal Pub to celebrate his next grand adventure: to become the first grasshopper in space courtesy of the space shuttle Columbia...
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Postby Martrae » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:56 am

Xaiveir Tanthalas wrote:
Martrae wrote:But if that pebble hit the blimp driver in the eye it could cause him to veer and crash into the Empire State Building causing it to shower it's load of pennies (that were on board for ballast) onto the unsuspecting populace below.

Since everyone knows dropping pennies from the Empire State Building will kill people, all those falling pennies will cause massive death and mayhem in the streets of New York. Since New York has suffered enough let's condemn all pennies!!!!



Actually dropping a penny from the Empire sstate building will not kill someone. This is a myth thats been around for a long time.


The Empire State Building is 1,250 feet tall, and a penny dropped from that height would hit the ground at a rate of 280 feet per second. Taking into account the shape of a penny and the likely wind resistance it would encounter on its way down, it's unlikely a penny would even break the skin of a hapless passerby on the ground.


I know...it was in keeping with the whole outer limits theme I was going for tho. :)
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Postby kaharthemad » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:02 pm

Xaiveir Tanthalas wrote:
The Empire State Building is 1,250 feet tall, and a penny dropped from that height would hit the ground at a rate of 280 feet per second. Taking into account the shape of a penny and the likely wind resistance it would encounter on its way down, it's unlikely a penny would even break the skin of a hapless passerby on the ground.

I nominate Xavier to stand under the penny to try this out. If you die can I have your car?
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Postby 10sun » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:12 pm

Watch out when your religious leader brings out the Kool-Aid, Mindia.
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Postby Themosticles » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:13 pm

Be especially careful when he breaks though the outer walls of your house and screams, "OH YEA!"
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Postby Harrison » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:49 pm

Kick him in the tights
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Postby Narrock » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:27 pm

If my pastor wants me to partake in Kool aid I will have to respectfully decline. :ugh:
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Postby Phlegm » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:41 pm

Mindia wrote:If my pastor wants me to partake in Kool aid I will have to respectfully decline. :ugh:


nah... everyone know about the kool-aid nowaday, so he probably wont try that. He most likely will ask the congregation to run in a 5k race to raise money for the church and to spread Jesus' teachings through good will.... yada.. yada...yada... Then he just spike the gatorade.
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