shooting in omaha mall

[Evermore]

i have a friend that has a sherman he restored thanks. has a half track too.
nice to see you didnt bother reading.

I think you and Tikker need to move to the UK

[Zanchief]

Why do you use such ridiculous extremes as points in your pathetic excuse for an argument?

Because he maintains that he doesn't want to government telling him what to do in any situation. I'm telling him they already are and he's fine with it.

The severity of the law is subjective. The rest of his argument is predicated on the fact that the government has no business telling him what to do. I'm trying to point that out to him.

[Zanchief]

i have a friend that has a sherman he restored thanks. has a half track too.
nice to see you didnt bother reading.

I think you and Tikker need to move to the UK

So you don't think the government should create any laws about any dangerous weapons, be them chemical, nuclear, or anything else?

[Evermore]

you really are fucking idiot. truely.

[Zanchief]

you really are fucking idiot. truely.

For the 5th time.

Do you believe the government should tell people what they can and can't own? Yes or No.

If I'm such an idiot why is it I have asked you a question you are unable to answer?

[Evermore]

No the federal government should not be able to tell private citizens what firearms to own. It's against the consitution. And I have answered, you are just too big an idiot to understand.

WHy is it that you are so confortable allowing other people tell you how to live your life, what you can do and can't do? I bet you would like to have travel papers issues so when you travel between states you have to show your papers? Right comrade?


Talking to you and tikker is like pissing in a fan. and i stand by my statement You are truely a fucking idiot, and a sheep on top of it all.

[Evermore]

Why do you use such ridiculous extremes as points in your pathetic excuse for an argument?

Because he maintains that he doesn't want to government telling him what to do in any situation. I'm telling him they already are and he's fine with it.

WHere have i ever said i am fine with it?

[Zanchief]

No the federal government should not be able to tell private citizens what firearms to own. It's against the consitution.

I didn't say firearms. Nukes, chemical weapons, tanks, jets, choppers, battleships. You're ok with private citizens owning all of that stuff?

[Harrison]

With the exception to nukes, chemical agents, and biological agents, I am fairly sure there aren't any restrictions on them anyways. The chances of getting your hands on an operational form of any military vehicle is rather ridiculous anyways.

Your average billionaire doesn't have the ability to buy and maintain such equipment anyways. They aren't going to have targeting systems, for one. Rendering them practically useless from the start. They'd just be for show.

[Tikker]

With the exception to nukes, chemical agents, and biological agents, I am fairly sure there aren't any restrictions on them anyways. .

ok, so you admit there ARE limits to what private citizenry can/should own

if that's the case, then we're just arguing where that line in the sand is drawn

if you(or evermore) want to suddenly backpedal and say "nono, nukes/bio/etc are all fair game" that's a whole other ball of wax

[Harrison]

I don't think I've ever once said that I want even some sovereign nations owning them. I sure as fuck wouldn't want some rich asshole to own them either.

My line in the sand is at weapons of mass destruction. IF (and this is a pretty huge if considering the logistics involved) you can afford to own an F-15, maintain it, and fly it properly...more power to you.

An F-15 without targeting systems is a fuel eating aluminum toy. About all you'd be able to do is mount homemade bombs on it, and you can do that with private jets as is. You wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn at that speed, so again, without targeting systems it's pretty useless.

[Tikker]

My line in the sand is at weapons of mass destruction.

ok, why are you opposed to that line in the sand being moved to let's say, any gun over .50 calibre?

or maybe a different option of let's say, anything with a rate of fire over 100 rounds per minute?

(these are obviously just random points)

[Evermore]

With the exception to nukes, chemical agents, and biological agents, I am fairly sure there aren't any restrictions on them anyways. .

ok, so you admit there ARE limits to what private citizenry can/should own

if that's the case, then we're just arguing where that line in the sand is drawn

if you(or evermore) want to suddenly backpedal and say "nono, nukes/bio/etc are all fair game" that's a whole other ball of wax

this discussion is about firearms. why are you and zanchief extending this to items that even if legal are by nature unfeasable to own?


oh chief how do you explain this

Well I've never advocated the government being the ones to solve the problem,


Yet you want the govenment to regulate what can and cant be owned?

[Tikker]

this discussion is about firearms. why are you and zanchief extending this to items that even if legal are by nature unfeasable to own?

we're using ridiculous examples to make a point, and to try and actual direct you into actually answering a question. posing another tangential question isn't really an answer.

Well I've never advocated the government being the ones to solve the problem,


Yet you want the govenment to regulate what can and cant be owned?

how else could you possibly enforce it if the government wasn't involved?

[Zanchief]

oh chief how do you explain this

Well I've never advocated the government being the ones to solve the problem,


Yet you want the govenment to regulate what can and cant be owned?

I haven't actually. Another assumption. But I'm certainly not paranoid about my government like you are.

[ClakarEQ]

Lueyen knows how to break it down, yo.

Yes she broke it down well but missed the point, typical it seems (don't recall if if Lue is a she or he). No contribution to how one could even attempt to solve the problem. Taking points out of context or missing them altogether, etc.

You don't think our GOV could do such a thing, perhaps you should review our history, we've done things like this before and we continue to do them. Look at alcohol, cigarettes, "drugs", etc. You make it sound like it is so fucking difficult to tax round making materials out of your market. It could be done easily with one signature from The Man. I'm not suggesting it is the best fix, but something is better than nothing. I'm trying to propose ideas and have a discussion, I'm not trying to say this is the "only" way. Be productive in the discussion, you seem smart enough, offer up something, please.

Lue, What would you do to reduce gun violence?

Evermore, I don't get your point when you say you don't want someone telling you what gun you can or can't buy, you're being told that today, go buy a fully automatic firearm, or send me a link where I can buy one, not trade or transfer, I want a new machine gun (you can't BTW, it isn't legal in our country). So you do get told what you can and can't buy re: firearms and ammo.

[Evermore]

this discussion is about firearms. why are you and zanchief extending this to items that even if legal are by nature unfeasable to own?

we're using ridiculous examples to make a point, and to try and actual direct you into actually answering a question. posing another tangential question isn't really an answer.

Well I've never advocated the government being the ones to solve the problem,


Yet you want the govenment to regulate what can and cant be owned?

how else could you possibly enforce it if the government wasn't involved?

i did answer they are just not the answers you want to hear. and you still have not answered mine.

you are using ridiculous examples because you have no point.

[Evermore]

Lueyen knows how to break it down, yo.

Yes she broke it down well but missed the point, typical it seems (don't recall if if Lue is a she or he). No contribution to how one could even attempt to solve the problem. Taking points out of context or missing them altogether, etc.

You don't think our GOV could do such a thing, perhaps you should review our history, we've done things like this before and we continue to do them. Look at alcohol, cigarettes, "drugs", etc. You make it sound like it is so fucking difficult to tax round making materials out of your market. It could be done easily with one signature from The Man. I'm not suggesting it is the best fix, but something is better than nothing. I'm trying to propose ideas and have a discussion, I'm not trying to say this is the "only" way. Be productive in the discussion, you seem smart enough, offer up something, please.

Lue, What would you do to reduce gun violence?

Evermore, I don't get your point when you say you don't want someone telling you what gun you can or can't buy, you're being told that today, go buy a fully automatic firearm, or send me a link where I can buy one, not trade or transfer, I want a new machine gun (you can't BTW, it isn't legal in our country). So you do get told what you can and can't buy re: firearms and ammo.

Clarke You can own a full auto. YOU need to gain a class 3 FFA license to do so. it is not legal for every day tom dick and harry to own one. I simply have not persued this. go learn what you are talking about before chiming in please? this converstion is hard enough having to school Tikker the canadian who's opinion really fucking doesnt matter anyway and Zanchief who wants to say fuck the rights you were granted and allow some asstard like Bush run his life.


Oh and CLarke

http://www.impactguns.com/store/machineguns.html

[Harrison]

Zanchief is Canadian too. So once again his opinions on our rights granted to us are rather irrelevant.

[Evermore]

Him too? jesus christ go worry about canada then you dumb fucks. Why am i even having this conversation with you?

[Zanchief]

Zanchief is Canadian too. So once again his opinions on our rights granted to us are rather irrelevant.

Since we're discussing opinion rather then actually sitting down and writing legislation, I think my opinion is just as valid as anyone's.

[Evermore]

Zanchief is Canadian too. So once again his opinions on our rights granted to us are rather irrelevant.

Since we're discussing opinion rather then actually sitting down and writing legislation, I think my opinion is just as valid as anyone's.

and this is what happens when you think.

[Zanchief]

Zanchief is Canadian too. So once again his opinions on our rights granted to us are rather irrelevant.

Since we're discussing opinion rather then actually sitting down and writing legislation, I think my opinion is just as valid as anyone's.

and this is what happens when you think.

I suppose since the alternative to thinking has done you so much good so far in your life I'll give it whirl.

[ClakarEQ]

Guys I'm not saying nor have ever said I'm an expert or all knowing regarding this issue, just as you nor anyone here is all knowing, except Lue it seems.

So I fully intend to be educated, that is a side effect of any discussion. My problem is many simple questions aren't really being answered. Many of you seem to be so rigid in your mind set and incapable of offering a solution, to think out of the box, be creative.

I have no issue with you shooting holes in my posts or Zan or Tik, etc but OFFER something outside of a gunshot.

What I have proposed is a money stream into the pockets of the GOV and out of the pockets of gun owners. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand or even implement. We do it on tobacco, booze, etc, this would be just another thing to tax. A tax like this along with anti-gun violence propaganda would result in less gun violence.

[Harrison]

Throwing money at problems does not solve them and rarely has it ever in any case.

Punishing the responsible for the actions of the irresponsible by taxing the ever living fuck out of them is bad policy and I can't even fathom why someone would do so.