possible terrorist attack in London

[xaoshaen]

Your completely right, there is a issue of immediacy. If we delay, and global warming really is a major issue, it may be to late to do anything about it. The problem here is poloticians dont get money and votes by dealing with the enviorment, they get them by making the people with money happy and they are not the enviornmentalists.

I love it when people try to push hotbutton issues without actually understanding them.

[Phlegm]

A group calling itself “The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe” posted a claim of responsibility for Thursday’s blasts in London, saying they were in retaliation for Britain’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The authenticity of the message could not be immediately confirmed.

[Ganzo]

You know that a guy down the street is planing to break into your house, rape your wife and daughter, kill all of you.

Would you:

a) Use money to install security systems and hire a bodyguard
b) Use money to feed homeless in neighboring town

[Harrison]

Xao, that is what these people do.

They go off on the deep end trying to lure in those who aren't as informed or knowledgable and reel them in with outrageous bullshit.

OMGZ BABIES DIE FROM STARVING

So do babies in the U.S., I don't see you crying about it.

[Haylo]

Believe it or not, terrorism is not increasing. I'm much more concerned about people dying from starvation in 3rd world countries and suffering from lack of food in the US than the odd chance that a terrorist attack will take place in my city. I'm not saying that terriorism is not an important concern, I just think that terrorist attacks have been taking place for a long time, and they will continue to take place. We should never focus totally on one issue to the exclusion of all others. Regardless of what we do as a temporary measure, there will always be those people out there who want to force their ideology on others. Terrorism is their forum.

[Rust]

We could always do like Hillary wants to do with Korea. Tell them if they are good little boys we'll send them an aid package.

As opposed to bombing them and having them flatten Seoul, and possibly nuke US targets or Japan? How is that "better" in any sane way?


--R.

Because bad behavior shouldn't be rewarded. That's why.

Fine, but stupid behaviour risking millions of lives is arguably worse than compromise. North Korea has what, the 4th or 5th largest army in the world, sitting 20 miles from Seoul (well inside artillery range), and having nuclear weapons? What advantage does not negotiating have again? Hellfire, at least the North Koreans sure proved if you want the US to not invade you you really DO need nukes.

--R.

[Rust]

100$ says that all Bush does during G8 is talk about terrorism now.

Yeah because starving pygmies and global warming are much more important right now...

Well yes, poverty and global warming *are* rather obviously bigger threats to global peace than terrorism. How many people have died in Africa from starvation in the last 5 years compared to those from terrorism? Or does your God consider the lives of poor blacks in Africa as less important than those of affluent Americans, Mindia?

Nice witness for your God you are.

And Global Warming is a real threat to *billions* of people. Last year was the worst hurricane season on record, wasn't it? How much damage was caused? Might it have had something to do with climate change?

--R.

But doesn't god not care about them becasue they dont accept Jesus Christ as their savior?

Maybe some of them are Catholics, and that's why Mindia hates them?

--R.

[Narrock]

You know that a guy down the street is planing to break into your house, rape your wife and daughter, kill all of you.

Would you:

a) Use money to install security systems and hire a bodyguard
b) Use money to feed homeless in neighboring town

c) Send money to fund global warming research of course! What's wrong with you Ganzo?

[Gidan]

Your completely right, there is a issue of immediacy. If we delay, and global warming really is a major issue, it may be to late to do anything about it. The problem here is poloticians dont get money and votes by dealing with the enviorment, they get them by making the people with money happy and they are not the enviornmentalists.

I love it when people try to push hotbutton issues without actually understanding them.

I am sorry that no one lives up to your complete knowlege of every subject under the sun.

Its obvious that global warming isn;t an issue and could never possibly be an issue, It will never reach a point (as if it actually existed) that we wouldn't be able to repair the damage we have done.

So yes by all means, lets just ignore it, its a non issue. Terrorism is the only thing we should care about in the world, forget anything else. Once we get it to go away we can then consider looking at something else.

[Rust]

What they've always wanted is for us to get the hell out of the middle east.

And I'd be all in favor of that.

No, what they've always wanted is to kill anyone and everyone who isn’t extremist Muslim.

Wasn't it bin Laden who said in a taped message something like 'if we hated democracy, we'd be attacking Sweden'. They're not. So your claim is simply wrong.

--R.

[Narrock]

100$ says that all Bush does during G8 is talk about terrorism now.

Yeah because starving pygmies and global warming are much more important right now...

Well yes, poverty and global warming *are* rather obviously bigger threats to global peace than terrorism. How many people have died in Africa from starvation in the last 5 years compared to those from terrorism? Or does your God consider the lives of poor blacks in Africa as less important than those of affluent Americans, Mindia?

Nice witness for your God you are.

And Global Warming is a real threat to *billions* of people. Last year was the worst hurricane season on record, wasn't it? How much damage was caused? Might it have had something to do with climate change?

--R.

But doesn't god not care about them becasue they dont accept Jesus Christ as their savior?

Maybe some of them are Catholics, and that's why Mindia hates them?

--R.

I don't hate Catholics, although they are extremely annoying. I hate the RCC, it's leaders, and it's practices that are leading good people astray.

[Gidan]

Xao, that is what these people do.

They go off on the deep end trying to lure in those who aren't as informed or knowledgable and reel them in with outrageous bullshit.

OMGZ BABIES DIE FROM STARVING

So do babies in the U.S., I don't see you crying about it.

Your one to talk

And many of us are just as unhappy about the people dieing of starvation in the US.

[Gidan]

100$ says that all Bush does during G8 is talk about terrorism now.

Yeah because starving pygmies and global warming are much more important right now...

Well yes, poverty and global warming *are* rather obviously bigger threats to global peace than terrorism. How many people have died in Africa from starvation in the last 5 years compared to those from terrorism? Or does your God consider the lives of poor blacks in Africa as less important than those of affluent Americans, Mindia?

Nice witness for your God you are.

And Global Warming is a real threat to *billions* of people. Last year was the worst hurricane season on record, wasn't it? How much damage was caused? Might it have had something to do with climate change?

--R.

But doesn't god not care about them becasue they dont accept Jesus Christ as their savior?

Maybe some of them are Catholics, and that's why Mindia hates them?

--R.

I don't hate Catholics, although they are extremely annoying. I hate the RCC, it's leaders, and it's practices that are leading good people astray.

Isn't that the same as saying, I dont have christians jsut the christian church and their brainwashing of innocent people?

[Martrae]

Way to overreact there sparky. Where did anyone say run in there and flatten them? All I was saying is patting them on the head and telling them 'If you are good, Mommy will get you an ice cream cone" won't work.

Maybe they just need a hug. Instead of hugging trees we can all hug a terrorist and then we can sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya.

They did a recent poll in Europe where 58% of the people responded that they would love to see the US weakened. I think it'd be safe to say that any suggestions eminating from there can be automatically suspected of furthering that goal. From the posts on this board I'd probably be a safe bet that Canada joins in that philosophy.

[Gidan]

Maybe if close to 60% of europe thinks the US is to powerful, we are the ones doing something wrong. Ever think that to the world, the US looks like the big bully?

What do the kids do that get picked on by the big bully? They take little chep shots on him when they get a chance. Sounds alot like what the world look like today. Many small groups taking small shots at the US every opertunity they get.

[Gidan]

100$ says that all Bush does during G8 is talk about terrorism now.

Yeah because starving pygmies and global warming are much more important right now...

Well yes, poverty and global warming *are* rather obviously bigger threats to global peace than terrorism. How many people have died in Africa from starvation in the last 5 years compared to those from terrorism? Or does your God consider the lives of poor blacks in Africa as less important than those of affluent Americans, Mindia?

Nice witness for your God you are.

And Global Warming is a real threat to *billions* of people. Last year was the worst hurricane season on record, wasn't it? How much damage was caused? Might it have had something to do with climate change?

--R.

global warming is hippie propaganda. Scientists have proven that the earth warms and cool and has done this since the dawn of time.

On that note I'm going to go spray an entire can of Dep towards the sky.

BTW in responce to this, I can show you a scientific study that shows global warming is an issue for every one you can show me that says it isn't.

[Rust]

I will disagree with you then. Global warming is still a big issue, it hasn't been proved or disproved and I assure you, if global warming is true, then it is a far bigger threat to the world then terrorism.

There's an issue of immediacy to consider as well.

Poverty is also a huge world issue, and even though you may not care for those people, others do.

Issue does not correspond to threat.

Fine, but there's obviously a risk to having failed nation-states like Somalia, isn't there? 'Poverty' is only one aspect of the vicious cycle of decay that a number of sub-Saharan nations are in, with inadequate capital to grow their economies. And the risk of war over limited resources was manifested in the Congo. Beyond the geopolitical aspects, there is, you know, a moral question.

And as to terrorism, I can't quite see the relevance of Iraq. As you might have said, 'issue did not correspond to threat'. Iraq wasn't involved in al Qaeda or 9/11. The 'Downing Street Memo' clearly shows Bush and Co. had decided to invade Iraq well in advance, and then made up reasons to convince the people it was justified. And they've bungled Iraq horribly, from the simple decision to invade with inadequate force to the torture in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo having done immeasurable damage to the US around the world.

The Pew Center's current study link on US position in the world's opinion should serve as a source of concern for the continued blunders in international relations by Bush.

[Ironfang]

How the hell is terrorism going to be stopped before starvation?

Terrorism is effectively an undeclared war by a group of people on non-combatants of the "other side". Humanity has been doing this for thousands of years in various forms.

The mass starvation in Africa and the rest of the very poor parts of the 3rd world can be reduced a hell of a lot faster and more effectively than trying to stop a group of fundamentalists (not all muslim and anti-US) from killing others.

I am aghast that anyone could consider the random acts of violence as a more important issue than millions of people dying yearly due to lack of basic food. That has to be the most short-sighted narrow minded viewpoint that I have heard in years.

Americans kill thousands of other Americans annually with guns. The impact of 9-11 was a fraction of what the US does to itself every year. Equating ONE attack on American soil with world hunger is fucking ridiculous.

If you even attempt to bring up the "attacks" on Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq don't bother. The US is still effectively at war with those people. Just because they are not dumb enough to try and fight in a normal military action does not make what the are doing any different than a war.

This attack on London is horrific. The latest counts are 40+ dead and another 1000 or so wounded. These are commuters on buses. What a horrible shame that humanity's best response to something they don't like is to blow up a pile of innocents in a far away land.

[Harrison]

This thread is an embarrassment to americans.

"I'd rather save a bunch of africans than potentially save/protect a bunch of my own countrymen (possibly even myself and people I know personally)"

[xaoshaen]

I am sorry that no one lives up to your complete knowlege of every subject under the sun.

Its obvious that global warming isn;t an issue and could never possibly be an issue, It will never reach a point (as if it actually existed) that we wouldn't be able to repair the damage we have done.

So yes by all means, lets just ignore it, its a non issue. Terrorism is the only thing we should care about in the world, forget anything else. Once we get it to go away we can then consider looking at something else.

The only thing better than someone railing about issues they don't understand is when they attack posts they don't understand. Pure comedic gold.

[xaoshaen]

Wasn't it bin Laden who said in a taped message something like 'if we hated democracy, we'd be attacking Sweden'. They're not. So your claim is simply wrong.

--R.

Using a quote from bin Laden as a counterpoint might be considered a bit... academically suspect.

[xaoshaen]

Maybe if close to 60% of europe thinks the US is to powerful, we are the ones doing something wrong. Ever think that to the world, the US looks like the big bully?

It's the price of power. Consider the external reviews of any powerful nation, at any time in history.

What do the kids do that get picked on by the big bully? They take little chep shots on him when they get a chance. Sounds alot like what the world look like today. Many small groups taking small shots at the US every opertunity they get.

You know what traditionally happens to nations that take cheap shots at their more powerful cousins? The U.S. is predominately noteworthy for its restraint in dealing with other nations.

[Martrae]

Maybe if close to 60% of europe thinks the US is to powerful, we are the ones doing something wrong. Ever think that to the world, the US looks like the big bully?

What do the kids do that get picked on by the big bully? They take little chep shots on him when they get a chance. Sounds alot like what the world look like today. Many small groups taking small shots at the US every opertunity they get.

Or it's more like disliking your neighbor cuz their grass is greener. Simple jealously is a far bigger motivation.

[Gidan]

Maybe if close to 60% of europe thinks the US is to powerful, we are the ones doing something wrong. Ever think that to the world, the US looks like the big bully?

It's the price of power. Consider the external reviews of any powerful nation, at any time in history.

What do the kids do that get picked on by the big bully? They take little chep shots on him when they get a chance. Sounds alot like what the world look like today. Many small groups taking small shots at the US every opertunity they get.

You know what traditionally happens to nations that take cheap shots at their more powerful cousins? The U.S. is predominately noteworthy for its restraint in dealing with other nations.

Yes we do show some restriant, if we see some economic advantage or we see that they are backed by somone much more powerful then themselves. Of course sometimes we just invade.

[Gidan]

I am sorry that no one lives up to your complete knowlege of every subject under the sun.

Its obvious that global warming isn;t an issue and could never possibly be an issue, It will never reach a point (as if it actually existed) that we wouldn't be able to repair the damage we have done.

So yes by all means, lets just ignore it, its a non issue. Terrorism is the only thing we should care about in the world, forget anything else. Once we get it to go away we can then consider looking at something else.

The only thing better than someone railing about issues they don't understand is when they attack posts they don't understand. Pure comedic gold.

Then be so wise and explain what I dont understand about

I love it when people try to push hotbutton issues without actually understanding them.