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Ohio Court Blocks Eminent Domain Project

Postby Martrae » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:29 am

Jul 26, 10:28 AM (ET)
By JULIE CARR SMYTH

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - The Ohio Supreme Court ruled unanimously on Wednesday that a Cincinnati suburb cannot take private property by eminent domain for a $125 million project of offices, shops and restaurants.

The case was the first challenge of property rights laws to reach a state high court since the U.S. Supreme Court last summer allowed municipalities to seize homes for use by a private developer.

The case involves the city of Norwood, which used its power of eminent domain to seize properties holding out against private development in an area considered to be deteriorating.

The court found that economic development isn't a sufficient reason under the state constitution to justify taking homes.

In the ruling, Justice Maureen O'Connor said cities may consider economic benefits but that courts deciding such cases in the future must "apply heightened scrutiny" to assure private citizens' property rights.

"For the individual property owner, the appropriation is not simply the seizure of a house," she wrote. "It is the taking of a home - the place where ancestors toiled, where families were raised, where memories were made,"

Targeting property because it is in a deteriorating area also is unconstitutional because the term is too vague and requires speculation, the court found.

O'Connor wrote that the court attempted in its decision to balance "two competing interests of great import in American democracy: the individual's rights in the possession and security of property, and the sovereign's power to take private property for the benefit of the community."



Good to see at least one state get it right.
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Postby Gargamellow » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:33 am

It';s about fucking time someone with power spoke up. Thanks for this post. ED is a perfect example of just how "free" we are not.
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Postby Zanchief » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:41 am

What's the point of having the law if they're just going to ignore it?
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Postby Gargamellow » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:54 am

The point is that the law is unfair and unethical.
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Postby Lueyen » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:50 am

Zanchief wrote:What's the point of having the law if they're just going to ignore it?


I don't understand what law it is you feel is being ignored here Zanchief?

The ruling made by SCOTUS last year left it for the states to decide if eminent domain encompassed more then just infrastructure and trancended to economic development.

As a side note, Oregon is putting the decision to the people of the state, as it's going to be on the ballot next time around, glad I wrote my state and federal representatives on that one 8D.
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Postby Donnel » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:02 pm

Emminent domain for non-infrastructure reasons is a trampling of the right to own property.

What's scary is that around here we have high city officials advocating ED vs. Churches since "Churches don't contribute property tax revenue."
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Postby Arlos » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:07 pm

Honestly, churches should be taxed the same as any other business. Why should televangelists be entitled to tax-free income? Not to mention, if churches want to get involved with politics now (see: The Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, Falwell & his Moral Majority, etc.), they should be forced to pay for the privilage

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Postby Zanchief » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:08 pm

arlos wrote:Honestly, churches should be taxed the same as any other business. Why should televangelists be entitled to tax-free income? Not to mention, if churches want to get involved with politics now (see: The Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, Falwell & his Moral Majority, etc.), they should be forced to pay for the privilage

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Postby Donnel » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:08 pm

Churches =! televangelists
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Postby Donnel » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:17 pm

So they should tax the ACLU Foundation as well then right?

A non-profit tax deductible contribution receiver?

And for example, the Christian Coalition is not a church, it's a 501(c)(4) civic organization. Fully legal to do all the work it does and maintain it's status.
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Postby Arlos » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:41 pm

Technically, televangelists are representatives for Churches. They're even technically Christian.

So, why SHOULD churches be exempt from taxes? Especially now that they're starting to spend money for political purposes?

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Postby Donnel » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:54 pm

Donnel wrote:So they should tax the ACLU Foundation as well then right?

A non-profit tax deductible contribution receiver?

And for example, the Christian Coalition is not a church, it's a 501(c)(4) civic organization. Fully legal to do all the work it does and maintain it's status.
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Postby Martrae » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:58 pm

See, this is why religion is so misunderstood. Most actual churches are too busy paying the bills, running special programs for their members and sending off missionaries to worry about politics.

Televangelists are usually NOT affiliated with any 'real' church, other than the one set up for their TV show.
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Postby Captain Insano » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:29 pm

arlos wrote:Honestly, churches should be taxed the same as any other business. Why should televangelists be entitled to tax-free income? Not to mention, if churches want to get involved with politics now (see: The Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, Falwell & his Moral Majority, etc.), they should be forced to pay for the privilage

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Postby Diekan » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:07 pm

arlos wrote:Honestly, churches should be taxed the same as any other business. Why should televangelists be entitled to tax-free income? Not to mention, if churches want to get involved with politics now (see: The Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, Falwell & his Moral Majority, etc.), they should be forced to pay for the privilage

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So.... you want to tax them, but keep them out of government? Glad to see the Seperation of Church and State only applies where money isn't concerned.
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Postby Spazz » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:32 pm

They are involved and are totally not goin away might as well tax em some and try to slow that bullshit down.
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Postby The Kizzy » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:32 pm

Zanchief wrote:What's the point of having the law if they're just going to ignore it?


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Postby Donnel » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:34 pm

spazz wrote:They are involved and are totally not goin away might as well tax em some and try to slow that bullshit down.


If you tax em then you can't "slow that bullshit down" it would then be their right.

Note that we are all talking about tax exempt organizations taht are allowed to be political so it's a moot point.
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Postby Yamori » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:09 pm

I think churches should be held financially accountable in the same way as nonprofit charities are.

Churches (or more specifically: official organizations) should need to keep books, and if the cashflow is not going into the organization's overhead (ie: building upkeep, repairs, ect) or back into the church via programs or the like (ie: just going into someone's pocket), I don't see a reason why they should be exempt from taxes.
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Postby Minrott » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:13 am

Huh. I thought that's actually how it did work.
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Postby Donnel » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:47 am

It is. At least in the churches I've been affilliated with.
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Postby Darcler » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:06 am

Donnel wrote:It is. At least in the churches I've been affilliated with.


Same.
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Postby Phlegm » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:17 am

Most the churches that abuse the tax law are ministries owned and operated by televangelists. They all have big ass mansions, vacation homes, retreats, airplanes, helicopters, and expensive cars. I guess they need all these luxuries to spread the teachings of Jesus.
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Postby Phlegm » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:23 pm

Darcler wrote:
Donnel wrote:It is. At least in the churches I've been affilliated with.


Same.


Then again you get someone like this guy:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/28/priest ... index.html
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