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Ellison seeks meeting on removal of clerics

Postby Lueyen » Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:14 pm

http://www.startribune.com/587/story/833707.html

Ellison won election to represent the Minneapolis-centered Fifth District earlier this month, becoming the first Muslim elected to Congress in the country. The airport is within his district.


Coincidence or convenience? I can't wait for the results of the DHC investigation.
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Postby KaiineTN » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:10 pm

1/4 the people on the planet are Muslims, people need to start getting used to seeing them in positions of power in this country and around the world, and definitely need to get used to being with them on planes, buses, etc. They're no more motivated by their own self interests than any of the rest of us are, they're no more or less likely to be good, or evil, than you and I. They're every bit as human as the next person.

Maybe people are just afraid because they actually realize how unfairly Muslims have been treated throughout history and they fear some type of revenge from Muslim groups for how we as a society and culture have treated them?

Anyways, I think it's just sad that a paper felt it was necessary to mention the airport being in the district of a Muslim Congressman. If I said I was Atheist and that I live a block away from a church, are you going to think I'm going to go bomb it some Sunday morning? It's shit like this in the media that keeps the damn negativity going.
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Postby Yamori » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:28 pm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/

Anyone that would be inspired by and follow this garbage should have their sanity put into suspect to some degree. :mystery:

What other religion besides Islam still has a number of figures putting bounties on the heads of outspoken critics of their religion (and isn't immediately denounced by the bulk of the populace)?

What other religion besides Islam actually still has considerable political power in some areas of high influence, to the point that numerous 'religious crimes' are actively met with imprisonment or execution?

I don't at all think that general suspicion, distrust, and dislike towards Islam is merely shallow bigotry or ignorance. Muslims themselves are a seperate issue - as most people in civilized society are sane and peaceful on a basic level - and as normal human beings they've every right to the same courtesies and respect as anyone else with silly ideas.

But most people given political power will inevitably lean on their basic metaphysical philosophies in some decisions - which is problematic if they follow Islam - which is ideologically is more violently hostile towards opposing ideologies than any other faith.
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Postby Lueyen » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:34 pm

KaiineTN wrote:Anyways, I think it's just sad that a paper felt it was necessary to mention the airport being in the district of a Muslim Congressman.


I think it's absolutely pertinent from multiple perspectives. All else aside it justifies Ellison pursuing the matter vs any other Congressional representative because it happened in his district. Mentioning that Ellison is a Muslim, something not immediately apparent to an uninformed reader (most people would not associate the name Keith Ellison as being of Islamic heritage) shows that the issues here hit closer to home then if he were a non-Muslim. From a differing perspective then my own one could look at that section of the article and gleam that the Muslim community is finally getting a voice in government and by someone of that faith.
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