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British Lancet study: Alcohol worse than narcotics

Postby Arlos » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:36 am

From Time Magazine:

New "landmark" research finds that alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than some illegal drugs like marijuana or Ecstasy and should be classified as such in legal systems, according to a new British study.

In research published Friday in The Lancet magazine, Professor David Nutt of Britain's Bristol University and colleagues proposed a new framework for the classification of harmful substances, based on the actual risks posed to society. Their ranking listed alcohol and tobacco among the top 10 most dangerous substances.

Nutt and colleagues used three factors to determine the harm associated with any drug: the physical harm to the user, the drug's potential for addiction, and the impact on society of drug use. The researchers asked two groups of experts — psychiatrists specializing in addiction and legal or police officials with scientific or medical expertise — to assign scores to 20 different drugs, including heroin, cocaine, Ecstasy, amphetamines, and LSD.

Nutt and his colleagues then calculated the drugs' overall rankings. In the end, the experts agreed with each other — but not with the existing British classification of dangerous substances.

Heroin and cocaine were ranked most dangerous, followed by barbiturates and street methadone. Alcohol was the fifth-most harmful drug and tobacco the ninth most harmful. Cannabis came in 11th, and near the bottom of the list was Ecstasy.

According to existing British and U.S. drug policy, alcohol and tobacco are legal, while cannabis and Ecstasy are both illegal. Previous reports, including a study from a parliamentary committee last year, have questioned the scientific rationale for Britain's drug classification system.

"The current drug system is ill thought-out and arbitrary," said Nutt, referring to the United Kingdom's practice of assigning drugs to three distinct divisions, ostensibly based on the drugs' potential for harm. "The exclusion of alcohol and tobacco from the Misuse of Drugs Act is, from a scientific perspective, arbitrary," write Nutt and his colleagues in The Lancet.

Tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is blamed for more than half of all visits to hospital emergency rooms. The substances also harm society in other ways, damaging families and occupying police services.

Nutt hopes that the research will provoke debate within the UK and beyond about how drugs — including socially acceptable drugs such as alcohol — should be regulated. While different countries use different markers to classify dangerous drugs, none use a system like the one proposed by Nutt's study, which he hopes could serve as a framework for international authorities.

"This is a landmark paper," said Dr. Leslie Iversen, professor of pharmacology at Oxford University. Iversen was not connected to the research. "It is the first real step towards an evidence-based classification of drugs." He added that based on the paper's results, alcohol and tobacco could not reasonably be excluded.

"The rankings also suggest the need for better regulation of the more harmful drugs that are currently legal, i.e. tobacco and alcohol," wrote Wayne Hall, of the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, in an accompanying Lancet commentary. Hall was not involved with Nutt's paper.

While experts agreed that criminalizing alcohol and tobacco would be challenging, they said that governments should review the penalties imposed for drug abuse and try to make them more reflective of the actual risks and damages involved.

Nutt called for more education so that people were aware of the risks of various drugs. "All drugs are dangerous," he said. "Even the ones people know and love and use every day."


There still much question about whether or not pot (less harmful than drugs currently legal) should be vastly more controlled than either tobacco or alcohol? I don't think so...

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Postby Ganzo » Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:37 am

Recently I've read a fiction book, called "Trans-human". It had such a great part where one character describes what drinking is to another; that reading that made me not want to ever have a drop of alcohol. I'll search through the book for it, translate and post here later.
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Postby Spazz » Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:31 am

I beleive it. I feel way worse when I drink than any other combo of goodies i put in my body. I smoke pot cuz im not hardcore enough to drink it really upsets my poor lil tummey. A few years ago i could drink a lot but now days 1 or 2 beers and i feel insta hungover. For some reason i have a hard time beleiveing that X is safer to use than the scotia.
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Postby KaiineTN » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:05 pm

Looking forward to reading that Ganzo! Don't forget about it.
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Postby Yamori » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:50 pm

spazz wrote:I beleive it. I feel way worse when I drink than any other combo of goodies i put in my body. I smoke pot cuz im not hardcore enough to drink it really upsets my poor lil tummey. A few years ago i could drink a lot but now days 1 or 2 beers and i feel insta hungover. For some reason i have a hard time beleiveing that X is safer to use than the scotia.


They probably ranked X lower since it isn't addictive. From the anecdotes I've heard it generally ravages your body though. D:
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Postby Narrock » Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:47 pm

Funny how the New England Journal of Medicine says that alcohol, in moderate quantities, is actually good for the body, especially the heart. Marijuana has over 400 toxins in it, none of which are beneficial to the body.
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Postby Spazz » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:02 pm

Ok
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Postby 10sun » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:17 pm

Narrock wrote:Funny how the New England Journal of Medicine says that alcohol, in moderate quantities, is actually good for the body, especially the heart. Marijuana has over 400 toxins in it, none of which are beneficial to the body.


It might state the red wine & other unfiltered alcohols might be good for the body in moderation, just as any other antioxidant, but I doubt it is saying anything about hard liquors or shitty beers.
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Postby Spazz » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:28 pm

Hard liquors and shitty beers sounds like a good evening.
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Postby Narrock » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:48 pm

10sun wrote:
Narrock wrote:Funny how the New England Journal of Medicine says that alcohol, in moderate quantities, is actually good for the body, especially the heart. Marijuana has over 400 toxins in it, none of which are beneficial to the body.


It might state the red wine & other unfiltered alcohols might be good for the body in moderation, just as any other antioxidant, but I doubt it is saying anything about hard liquors or shitty beers.


Exactly. However, the point was that some forms of alcohol are actually beneficial to the body. You will not find an article from a reputable medicinal journal making claims that marijuana is beneficial to the body. We all know how certain people will make the claim that marijuana helps with aids and glaucoma... whatever. :rolleyes:
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Postby Narrock » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:49 pm

spazz wrote:Hard liquors and shitty beers sounds like a good evening.


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Postby 10sun » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:00 pm

Narrock wrote:
10sun wrote:
Narrock wrote:Funny how the New England Journal of Medicine says that alcohol, in moderate quantities, is actually good for the body, especially the heart. Marijuana has over 400 toxins in it, none of which are beneficial to the body.


It might state the red wine & other unfiltered alcohols might be good for the body in moderation, just as any other antioxidant, but I doubt it is saying anything about hard liquors or shitty beers.


Exactly. However, the point was that some forms of alcohol are actually beneficial to the body. You will not find an article from a reputable medicinal journal making claims that marijuana is beneficial to the body. We all know how certain people will make the claim that marijuana helps with aids and glaucoma... whatever. :rolleyes:


Its not good for the body, but helps relieve pain and reduce nausea. Its like saying advil is good for the body. No that shit isn't, but it helps relieve pain.
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Postby Snero » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:05 am

this isn't a study, it's an opinion poll, theres nothing remotely scientific about it. It's very hard to argue though that alcohol is really good for anything, sure when it comes to cancer prevention, a glass of wine isn't bad but it does your liver no good. There is also nothing good from wine that you can't get from many other sources. You want antioxidants? eat more fruits, vegetables, you get the benefit of drinking wine without the negatives
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