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Editorial on presidential power-seeking

Postby Arlos » Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:19 am

Some scary stuff in here, and I agree with this article wholeheartedly. Yes, even in their condemnation of some of Clinton's actions.

CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS
By Frederick A.O. Schwarz Jr. and Aziz Huq
Article Launched: 04/08/2007 01:56:44 AM PDT

Thirty years ago, a Senate committee headed by the late Sen. Frank Church exposed widespread abuses by law enforcement and intelligence agencies dating to the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration. In the name of "national security," the FBI, CIA and National Security Agency spied on politicians, protest groups and civil rights activists; illegally opened mail; and sponsored scores of covert operations abroad, many of which imperiled democracy in foreign countries.

The sheer magnitude of the abuses unearthed by the committee shocked the nation, led to broad reforms and embarrassed Congress, whose feckless oversight over decades was plain for all to see. As a result, Congress required presidents to report covert operations to permanent new intelligence committees and created the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which squarely repudiated the idea of inherent executive power to spy on Americans without obtaining warrants. New guidelines were issued for FBI investigations.

For those of us involved in that effort to bring accountability and sunshine back to government, it is discouraging to read daily accounts of a new era of intelligence power abuses, growing out of a "war" on terrorism that is invoked to justify almost any secret measure.

During the past five years, we have learned that the executive branch has circumvented federal bans on torture, abandoned the Geneva Conventions, monitored Americans' phone conversations without the required warrants and "outsourced" torture through "extraordinary rendition" to several foreign governments. Recently we learned that the Federal Bureau of Investigation recklessly abused its power to secure documents through emergency national security letters.

Once again, congressional oversight of the growing national security, intelligence and law enforcement establishments has fallen short. But there are now obstacles to re-establishing effective oversight that did not exist three decades ago.

For one thing, the country and Congress are far more polarized. There was a high degree of bipartisan unity on the Church Committee, and Republican President Gerald R. Ford generally cooperated in the effort to expose abuses and create remedies. The committee, formally known as the Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, was created in Watergate's wake and had a Democratic majority. But it focused on abuses by administrations of both parties. Indeed, its inquiries revealed that three Democratic presidents - Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson - all knew about, or approved, questionable activities. Howard Baker Jr., a senior Senate Republican who served on the panel, disagreed with some proposals but said it had carried out its task "responsibly and thoroughly."

But Congress now faces an even bigger problem than heightened partisanship. Past presidents have never claimed that the Constitution gave them power to set aside statutes permanently. (Richard M. Nixon was no longer in office when he declared: "When the president does it, it means that it is not illegal.") The Bush administration, however, appears committed to eliminating judicial and congressional oversight of executive action at all costs. This pernicious idea, at odds with the Founders' vision of checks and balances, lies at the heart of many of today's abuses.

In some ways, the "Magna Carta" of this combative ideology was the minority report issued by eight of the Republicans on the Iran-Contra committee that investigated the Reagan administration's handling of covert arms sales to Iran and the secret - and illegal - effort to finance the Contra rebels fighting in Nicaragua.

Among the report's signers was then-Rep. Dick Cheney, who led the group. They rejected the idea that separation of powers would "preclude the exercise of arbitrary power" and argued that the president needed to act expeditiously and secretly to achieve American aims in a dangerous world. Their solution to executive abuse was to water down congressional and judicial oversight. The minority report referred approvingly to "monarchical notions of prerogative that will permit [presidents] to exceed the law" if Congress tried to exercise oversight on national security matters. Cheney later insisted in an interview that "you have to preserve the prerogative of the president in extraordinary circumstances," by not notifying Congress of intelligence operations.

`The president's prerogatives'

Cheney's views have not shifted since then. In December 2005, he referred reporters to the minority report for his view of "the president's prerogatives." And for the first time in U.S. history, executive branch lawyers have argued that the president has power to "suspend" laws permanently in the name of national security. In signing statements for new laws, President Bush has repeatedly asserted this broad power. In internal legal opinions on torture, Justice Department lawyers have proposed that the president can set aside laws that conflict with his ideas of national security. Under this logic, laws against torture, warrantless surveillance and transfers of detainees to governments that torture all buckle.

We do not know precisely which laws were turned aside, because the administration still refuses to reveal Justice Department opinions that define what laws the executive branch will and will not follow. Such secrecy, which has nothing to do with the legitimate protection of sources and methods of intelligence agencies, cannot be justified.

This crisis of constitutional faith did not begin with the current Republican administration. After a burst of reforms in the 1970s, Congress quickly fell back into Cold War apathy, finding it easier to let standards lapse than to hold the executive branch to account. The Iran-Contra scandal was the first warning that the Church Committee's lessons had been sidelined by the executive branch. Attorneys general issued looser guidelines on FBI investigations. The White House became a keen user of unilateral executive orders that bypassed Congress.

President Bill Clinton's stint in the White House proved no exception. He broadly interpreted his war powers and aggressively used executive orders to bypass Congress - for example, ignoring a House vote opposing intervention in Kosovo. Clinton issued 107 presidential directives on policy, according to Harvard Law School Dean Elena Kagan. Reagan issued nine and George H.W. Bush just four.

Today, the argument for unchecked presidential power is starkly different from earlier invocations. While previous administrations have violated civil liberties - as in the post-World War I Palmer raids and the incarceration of Japanese-Americans during World War II - such actions were public and short term. When Confederate troops neared Washington in the Civil War and mobs in Baltimore attacked Union troops, President Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus - the principal legal protection against unlawful detention. As Baltimore's mayor threatened to blow up railroad bridges used by Union troops, Lincoln acted without waiting for Congress to return from recess. Yet he subsequently sought and received congressional approval.

Unlike Lincoln and other past chief executives, President Bush asserts that he has the power to set aside fundamental laws permanently - including those that ban torture and domestic spying. The White House today argues that there will never be a day of reckoning in Congress or the courts. To the contrary, it does all it can to shield its use of unilateral detention, torture and spying powers from the review of any other branch of government. Even after five years, the lawfulness of incarcerating hundreds of detainees at Guanta`namo Bay, Cuba, has not been reviewed by another branch.

Unprecedented power grab

Never before in U.S. history, we believe, has a president so readily exploited a crisis to amass unchecked and unreviewed power unto himself, completely at odds with the Constitution. This departure from historical practice should deeply concern those in both parties who care for the Constitution.

Debates at the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, and in the state ratifying conventions that ensued, conclusively undercut the current administration's claim to unaccountable power. Alexander Hamilton, the founding era's foremost advocate of executive vigor, disdained efforts to equate the new president's authority with the broad powers of the English monarchs. And even assuming that Hamilton was wrong in asserting that presidents have less power than English kings, the British monarchy had in fact been stripped of power to "suspend" parliamentary laws after the Glorious Revolution of 1688, about 100 years before the Constitutional Convention. The Constitution simply contains no unfettered executive authority to annul laws on a president's security-related say-so.

There is no reason to abandon the founding generation's skepticism of unchecked executive power. The Constitution rests on a profound understanding of human nature. Hamilton, James Madison and the other framers and ratifiers knew that no single individual, whether selected by birth or popular vote, could be blindly trusted to wield power wisely. They knew that both the executive and Congress would make mistakes.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly backed a strong oversight role for Congress. "The scope of [Congress'] power of inquiry ... is as penetrating and far-reaching as the potential power to enact and appropriate under the Constitution," it wrote in 1975. Congress has repeatedly met its constitutional responsibility as a coequal branch, even in times of war, and regardless of partisan interests. Oversight is not a Republican or Democratic issue. In World War II, then-Sen. Harry S. Truman coordinated aggressive inquiries into the Democratic administration's mismanagement of war procurement. During the Civil War, Republicans in Congress drove Lincoln's first secretary of war from office by their investigations.

Today's questions about presidential power are certainly not ones that have Republican or Democratic answers. The institutional imbalance that is evident today should trouble legislators of both parties. We believe most Americans still would agree with the Church Committee when it stated: "The United States must not adopt the tactics of the enemy," for "each time we do so, each time the means we use are wrong, our inner strength, the strength that makes us free, is lessened."


I was unaware Bush was now arguing that the President had unilateral authority to ignore any statute of law that he wants to. That's unconscionable. Likewise, I was unaware of how many times Clinton did end-runs around congress, and condemn those as well. The two branches are supposed to be CO-EQUAL, which mean syou cannot have 1 branch running roughshod over the other, like has been the case with this president, especially given his previously tame Congress, that was willing to give him almost everything he wished.

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Postby Lyion » Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:37 am

So, you really think this guy is going for an Emperor Palpatine level power grab, Arlos? For the record, your article is loaded with a bunch of inconsistencies and ignores many basic definitions of our government, not that a good conspiracy theory isn't fun, whether it's complete silliness or not

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... 70338/1148

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Ford President Alan Mulally, right, had to be quick on his feet to make sure President Bush plugged a power cord into the right socket on a Ford hydrogen-electric plug-in hybrid.



Credit Ford Motor Co. CEO Alan Mulally with saving the leader of the free world from self-immolation.

Mulally told journalists at the New York auto show that he intervened to prevent President Bush from plugging an electrical cord into the hydrogen tank of Ford's hydrogen-electric plug-in hybrid at the White House last week. Ford wanted to give the Commander-in-Chief an actual demonstration of the innovative vehicle, so the automaker arranged for an electrical outlet to be installed on the South Lawn and ran a charging cord to the hybrid. However, as Mulally followed Bush out to the car, he noticed someone had left the cord lying at the rear of the vehicle, near the fuel tank.

"I just thought, 'Oh my goodness!' So, I started walking faster, and the President walked faster and he got to the cord before I did. I violated all the protocols. I touched the President. I grabbed his arm and I moved him up to the front," Mulally said. "I wanted the president to make sure he plugged into the electricity, not into the hydrogen This is all off the record, right?"
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Postby Harrison » Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:51 pm

This is all off the record, right?


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Postby Arlos » Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:42 pm

Emperor Palpatine, no. Nixonian or worse, yes. I also think that in his ideal world, he'd prefer to have evolved the position of president in the same path Bonaparte did, so long as he or his idiological ilk could remain in power, anyway.

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Postby Lyion » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:05 pm

Actually, there isn't a shred of proof for what you are saying, Arlos.

Nixon made a stupid mistake and paid for it. He broke the law. I know you'd like W to be Nixon, but there is no comparison. Nixon was brilliant but misguided. W has a pure heart but will never be called brilliant. He has made plenty of mistakes, but he has not broken the law, or attempted to bypass the system in any way that has been shown.

Much of what is said in that article is simply a gross ignoring of what entails the Executive powers of the Presidency. It makes many op ed observations, and has few facts like so many critics who complain about the 'power grab'. Guess what? There is nothing illegal going on, and in early 2008 W will step away from the Presidency, and the next President will go through the same polemics of attack from those who dislike their ideology.

Your views that he wants Napoleonic power have no truth in them that has been presented, certainly not in this article.
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Postby Markarado » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:05 pm

Arlos, is your desire to completely strip the executive branch of the ability to run and protect this country? Things to be done, and often they need to be done in a very timely fashion. Things need to be done off the books at times. We can't follow all the rules and expect our country to safe and powerful. Yes, it is important that our country remains the super power of the world.
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Postby 10sun » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:32 pm

Markarado, you may have US citizenship, but you are in no fucking way an American.

You have no idea how being an American has changed over the past several years.

You live in Malaysia.

Stop talking like you have any idea.

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Postby Arlos » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:29 am

Last I checked, this was a nation ruled by Law, not by Divine Right. Just because someone is President does NOT place him beyond the law. Sure, the President's job is to run the country, but he can, should, and indeed MUST do so within the boundries of the Constitution AND legal statute put forth by the CO-EQUAL BRANCH, Congress.

Just because the Congress has never before handled itself as a co-equal branch during Bush's entire presidency doesn't mean that that is how it SHOULD be. If the President breaks the law, no matter how good the intentions, he must be called to account for it. Nixon was, Reagan should have been for the Iran-Contra affair, etc.

Sorry, but an Imperial Presidency is not what the Founding Fathers intended. I will be against ANY president who attempts to act in such a fashion, regardless of party affiliation, because I believe that the balance of power between the branches is far more fundamental an issue than issues of party politics.

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Postby Evermore » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:42 am

lyion wrote:Actually, there isn't a shred of proof for what you are saying, Arlos.

Nixon made a stupid mistake and paid for it. He broke the law. I know you'd like W to be Nixon, but there is no comparison. Nixon was brilliant but misguided. W has a pure heart but will never be called brilliant. He has made plenty of mistakes, but he has not broken the law, or attempted to bypass the system in any way that has been shown.

Much of what is said in that article is simply a gross ignoring of what entails the Executive powers of the Presidency. It makes many op ed observations, and has few facts like so many critics who complain about the 'power grab'. Guess what? There is nothing illegal going on, and in early 2008 W will step away from the Presidency, and the next President will go through the same polemics of attack from those who dislike their ideology.

Your views that he wants Napoleonic power have no truth in them that has been presented, certainly not in this article.


Lyion have you actually read any of the signing statements Bush adds?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/examples_of_the_presidents_signing_statements/
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Postby Lyion » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:34 am

Evermore, I read them from the sources. Charlie Savage is a pretty partisan guy, and not known for looking at things objectively. Most newspapers and TV stations don't explain things fairly. The best guy on TV is Anderson Cooper, but even he is hedged by CNN and their resident idiots such as Jack Cafferty. Read the Congressional and White House papers, themselves.

We can't even have a simple overseas Al Qaeda prisoner held in captivity without the NY Times not only getting ahold of this information, but publishing it. Anyone worried about overt power grabbing from this administration is ignoring the simple fact it has if anything given too much respect and deference to people and the media, as can be seen by it's latitude to reporters and the courts, and even Sandy Berger.

Do you remember the SCOTUS decision on Gitmo prisoners, conferring them rights normally only held for US citizens that W and many others opposed? Note, the government accepted the courts decision and went along.

There are facts, and then there are conspiracy theories. The simple truth is there is a Democratic Congress that can legislate any <legal> changes on issues such as the Patriot Act that it cares to. There is no power grab. There is a desire to run the Executive Branch as it should be run, and within the limits of the constitution, and there will always be a tug of war between the three branches of government, but there is no proof outside of wild conspiracy theories of any laws violated or any valid reason to compare Bush to Nixon outside of simple Bush Derangement Syndrome.
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Postby Eziekial » Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:14 am

As bad as Bush is, FDR was worse in almost every regard.
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Postby KaiineTN » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:21 am

Arlos for president! He can always FD if he aggroes too much.
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Postby Evermore » Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:34 pm

KaiineTN wrote:Arlos for president! He can always FD if he aggroes too much.


I have seen him pull. FD dont help..
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Postby Arlos » Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:39 pm

Inc 1. Er, inc 2. Uh, inc many.... *splat*

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Postby Lyion » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:22 pm

Find a youtube of Eddie Murphy doing his first Black President skit. ;)
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Postby kinghooter00 » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:29 am

"All your laws are belong to us" shouts President Bush.
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