Another right may bite the dust

[ClakarEQ]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23688073/
I realize this is not some nationwide gig and is isolated to DC but it "could" and most likely will lay a precedent regarding future laws and ban's (because it will happen) for the safety of the community.

I hope 10-20 or so years from now, the nay-sayers saying shit like, "no way can they ban guns", still post here so I can rub some noses in it .

Frankly, regardless of all the minutia detail I don't want to get into, this IMO is no different than our ever growing loss of privacy (e.g. wire taps).

If you read the constitution, there are a ton of ways the "law" can interrupt that "priviledge", or what some folks think is a "right".

Golly gee, I wonder where this post will get me
/sarcasm off

[Harrison]

Fucking hippies need to wake up.

[Kramer]

i am not a fan of guns in homes or hunting. i am a fan of people having the right to have a gun if they choose and it scares the shit out of me when a government tries to limit public access to weapons. it seems a government should be in the business of assisting the public in being defended and helping them defend themselves.
i grew up with guns, it was the one thing my dad and i used to do. i understand about respect and guns, and if you have that there is little you have to worry about when you have them.

[ClakarEQ]

Fucking hippies need to wake up.

I didn't know Pres. Bush was a hippy, and he is for this particular bit of legislation /shrug

[Evermore]

No bush is a nazi communist asshole. truth is they SHOULDN'T be able to do this but in the usa if you have enough money.....

[Tuggan]

I was under the impression that handguns have been banned in DC for many years now, and the discussion is to lift the ban or not. I don't see this as going in the direction of the anti-gun crowd, especially with a rather conservative court.

[Evermore]

i believe the discussion is the constitutionality of the ban. Hence the involvement of the SC.

[Gaazy]

Yeah, just let the criminals keep their guns, because you KNOW they arent tossin them. Thats a great idea!

[Harrison]

I was under the impression that handguns have been banned in DC for many years now, and the discussion is to lift the ban or not. I don't see this as going in the direction of the anti-gun crowd, especially with a rather conservative court.

If the outcome is that of allowing the ban to stick, they're going to have precedent elsewhere in the country. That's what I took out of it.

[ClakarEQ]

The precedent part was more me I think then the article. I was posting the link more for the awareness. Knowing now that the supreme court has never "interpreted" this "right" was surprising to me.

For example, this is from the constitution via that article:

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

You can IMO easily say the military IS the militia and only THOSE have the right to bear arms. You see it doesn't say civilian, or common person, layperson, etc. It is very specific to militia and depending on how you spin it, militia can in fact be our armed services, not you or me, only them.

[Harrison]

Can is the key word there.

If it was as easy to define as you think it is, it would have been done already by people infinitely better versed in the language than you.

I know for a fact that if it was clearcut to say otherwise hippies would just claim it isn't valid in present-day America.

The right to bear arms is one of the many reasons this country doesn't suck as much as it could.

Banning weapons from your populace is the first step of many to being an oppressive place I wouldn't want to live in. Feudal Japan, medieval European monarchies, etc. If our Government decides to rule with an iron fist 50 years down the line, and we've since lost our right to bear arms, what then? We politely ask them to fuck off? lol

Even less "tin foil hat"-esque, what if we see the first land invasion of our country within the next 50-100 years and the same outcome has happened to our right to bear arms? I'd rather see our populace as armed as it is now in place than a pussified hippie shithole be occupied.

Too many people are living too comfortably to realize that this shit CAN happen, maybe not now, or even soon, but it can and most likely will like it has in the past.

[Tuggan]

you honestly believe they would have taken the time and made it 2nd only to freedom of speech (etc.), to say that the military has the right to use weapons?

[ClakarEQ]

I don't recall saying, even in prior threads on this topic, that I am for a gun ban across the board.

I'm not suggesting that now.

What I am saying is it appears this IS the first time in our (the USA) history the sup court has been asked to interprite the law.

Frankly I don't care what way it goes as I have nothing to gain or lose from it, just as some would say you have nothing to hide regarding wire taps so what is the big deal.

The civilian populace has never, nor will it ever push back on the GOV in the terms of this disucssion (civilian army fighting our military). I hope you realize what a joke of a fight that would be. Don't get me wrong here, I have said it many times, I have nothing to lose if they take all our guns away, I don't fear our GOV or our military, I just don't respect them (them = gov, I do respect our military)

[Harrison]

The civilian populace has never, nor will it ever push back on the GOV in the terms of this disucssion (civilian army fighting our military). I hope you realize what a joke of a fight that would be. Don't get me wrong here, I have said it many times, I have nothing to lose if they take all our guns away, I don't fear our GOV or our military, I just don't respect them (them = gov, I do respect our military)

*blink*

I hope there's not many who share that ignorance.

[Eziekial]

Being involved in the military and having this very issue be brought up while I was in Washington DC, during the recovery effort of Katrina. I can assure you that our military would be hard-pressed to wage a war against an American revolt. Everyone in DC and the Pentagon knows this. Every commander in the US military knows this. And deep down in their heart every soldier/sailor/airman knows this. That is why it is not a question of can our military fight an armed revolution? but at what level of armament does our populace need to overpower a police force? Our military is limited by Posse Comitatus in a legal sense however more importantly a moral one that it's officers are members of the society that it protects. At the extreme circumstances, our government could order our troops into a city to suppress a revolt but that command will only follow an order so far. It's not that hard to follow a command to police an area, but in the face of a violent revolt where the people are armed, then the commander has decide to return force in kind and that is the weak link. Ordering your men to open fire on your friends and family is what it boils down to. Take away arms, and you remove that possible crippling scenario.

[Evermore]

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

You can IMO easily say the military IS the militia and only THOSE have the right to bear arms. You see it doesn't say civilian, or common person, layperson, etc. It is very specific to militia and depending on how you spin it, militia can in fact be our armed services, not you or me, only them.

I dont think your military is the militia statement holds water. The very nature of a militia is that it is comprised of ordinary citizens, not professonal soldiers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia

[Zanchief]

Can is the key word there.

If it was as easy to define as you think it is, it would have been done already by people infinitely better versed in the language than you.

I know for a fact that if it was clearcut to say otherwise hippies would just claim it isn't valid in present-day America.

The right to bear arms is one of the many reasons this country doesn't suck as much as it could.

Banning weapons from your populace is the first step of many to being an oppressive place I wouldn't want to live in. Feudal Japan, medieval European monarchies, etc. If our Government decides to rule with an iron fist 50 years down the line, and we've since lost our right to bear arms, what then? We politely ask them to fuck off? lol

Even less "tin foil hat"-esque, what if we see the first land invasion of our country within the next 50-100 years and the same outcome has happened to our right to bear arms? I'd rather see our populace as armed as it is now in place than a pussified hippie shithole be occupied.

Too many people are living too comfortably to realize that this shit CAN happen, maybe not now, or even soon, but it can and most likely will like it has in the past.

The world will never evolve if people keep thinking like this.

[Evermore]

Ok Comrade Troll.

[Zanchief]

Well someone's looking for a fight.

This didn't work out that well for you the last time.

[Evermore]

tell you what why dont you move to say N Korea or Cuba. They ban guns for the populace. I bet you would be happy there and you could watch the "world evolve".


arguing with you is like punching a kitten in the face and will get you about as far.

[Zanchief]

How about, every civilized country in the world has at least some level of constraints on what kind of weaponry its populace has.

The Russians aren’t going to invade.

Stop bitching about it.

[Evermore]

I'm not bitching about it. It's called free speech and guns helped the US to ensure this right.


Take care of Canada, Chief.

[Zanchief]

DAMN RIGHT!

Murder death kill! Teach those younglings about the wonders of firearms! That will improve things.

[Evermore]

teaching them respect of a firearm and proper handling most certainly will.

another concept that escapes you.

[Zanchief]

teaching them respect of a firearm and proper handling most certainly will.

another concept that escapes you.

That concept has worked great so far. Generations have been passing down your obsessive gun habits and it's created a violent cesspool. Why try and solve the problem, just buy bigger guns so that you can kill your neighbor first!