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McCain guarantees victory

Postby Gypsiyee » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:40 pm

His confidence frightens me, and he's been this way for a little while - a bit back with his quote about "we're behind in the polls, we've got them right where we want them" etc. With the type of fraud that's run amok the last 2 elections, this type of confidence is a red flag for me - perhaps I'm just being a conspiracy theorist, but complacency and confidence when you're behind is definitely mind boggling. Obama's in the lead and he doesn't guarantee victory, so what makes the underdog so certain of it?

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McCain guarantees victory
Lisa Lerer, Mike Allen Lisa Lerer, Mike Allen 2 hrs 48 mins agoSen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he can “guarantee” a win on Nov. 4 in a squeaker victory that won’t be clear until late that night.

McCain spoke amid signs of a tightening race, and reports of renewed determination among his staff, which is badly outgunned in both money and manpower.

“I guarantee you that two weeks from now, you will see this has been a very close race, and I believe that I'm going to win it,” McCain told interim "Meet" moderator Tom Brokaw. “We're going to do well in this campaign, my friend. We're going to win it, and it's going to be tight, and we're going to be up late.”

McCain was down just 5 points in the Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released Sunday, with Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) leading by 49 percent to 44 percent among likely voters in the daily tracking poll, which has a margin of error of 2.9 points.

Reuters reported that Obama's lead has dropped over the last three days after hitting a high of 12 points on Thursday. Pollster John Zogby said: "Things are trending back for McCain. His numbers are rising and Obama's are dropping on a daily basis. There seems to be a direct correlation between this and McCain talking about the economy."

The Washington Post reported Sunday: "[I]nside the McCain campaign the mood remains one of gritty resolve. Top aides know they are behind, but they hold out hope and, like their candidate, stubbornly refuse to give up."

McCain told Brokaw in Waterloo, Iowa, that he feels "like Knute Rockne ... go out there and get one for the Gipper."

“We are very competitive in battleground states," McCain said. "Obviously, I choose to trust my senses as well as polls. The enthusiasm at almost all of our [events] is at a higher level than I've ever seen, and I've been in a lot of presidential campaigns, usually as the warm-up act. ... And I see intensity out there, and I see passion. So we're very competitive.”

McCain added: “We're going to have to just get out our vote, work hard over the next nine days, and make sure that people know that there'll be a better future. People are very worried now — very, very worried, and have every reason to be. I think it's all about who can assure a better future.”

On the endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) by former Secretary of State Colin Powell, McCain said: "I'm disappointed in Gen. Powell, but I'm very, very happy to know that [I'm endorsed by] five former secretaries of states who I admire enormously.”

McCain defended Republican National Committee clothing purchases on behalf of his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Politico revealed during the past week that the RNC spent $150,000 on designer outfits at Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue for the vice presidential nominee and members of her family.

"She lives a frugal life,” he said. “She and her family are not wealthy. She and her family were thrust into this and there was some — and some third of that money is given back. The rest will be donated to charity. ... She is a role model to millions and millions and millions of Americans."

McCain appeared in a gracious mood, saying to Brokaw at the end: "I appreciate your many years of informing the American people. You've come a long way from South Dakota, but you have never forgotten where you come from.”
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Re: McCain guarantees victory

Postby Kramer » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:31 pm

:bangin: :eyecrazy: :rofl: :lol: :hiphop: :wtf:

he is wacky....
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby brinstar » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:43 pm

    Gypsiyee wrote:the RNC spent $150,000 on designer outfits at Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue for the vice presidential nominee and members of her family


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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Gypsiyee » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:52 pm

    you know, I understand that you have to look good for being on the campaign trail. people tear you to bits, you have to make sure you don't look like you just rolled out of bed and went shopping at walmart because the media will jump on it like flies on shit.

    what I don't understand is - essentially, isn't it donations that paid for "her look"? I mean their family makes over 200k a year easily, can't she afford her own clothes?

    as a donor, I'd be pretty pissed if my money went to pay epic amounts of money towards Biden making sure his tie was fashion forward rather than to funding campaign efforts, but that's just me.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Ganzo » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:06 pm

    it amuses me that people think those are the issues in current election
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Gypsiyee » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:11 pm

    I'm not saying it's an issue; it makes me question her integrity, but it's not an issue to me so much as an afterthought since she has a whole list of qualities that make me question that. I don't give a shit what she wears - she is the epitome of neo-con psychopath - the political female version of Bush with the humor of Cheney, and that's terrifying enough.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Diekan » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:10 pm

    Gypsiyee wrote:I'm not saying it's an issue; it makes me question her integrity, but it's not an issue to me so much as an afterthought since she has a whole list of qualities that make me question that. I don't give a shit what she wears - she is the epitome of neo-con psychopath - the political female version of Bush with the humor of Cheney, and that's terrifying enough.


    Ok, Gyps... in all fairness here. Palin's clothes give you reason to question her integrity - but - Obama's affliation with a known homegrown terrorist, a corrupt real estate *mogal* and a racist anti-American pastor don't give you pause to question his?
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Martrae » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:59 pm

    You expected him to throw his hands in the air and say he concedes?

    Of course he's saying he's gonna win.

    The the Palin clothes thing makes me laugh. Of all the things to worry about.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Tikker » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:13 pm

    Martrae wrote:
    The the Palin clothes thing makes me laugh. Of all the things to worry about.


    err

    someone using political contributions to the tune of $150k on clothes doesn't make you maybe wonder at all about their economic policies?
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Arlos » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:29 pm

    Oh for the love of....

    Obama's "affiliation" consists of living nearby the guy, serving on a charity board sponsored by a conservative republican and staffed with other republicans, and attending a party at the guy's house at the request of the lady who's spot in the state senate he was going to take.

    Even Snopes has weighed in on the issue saying they have never been close. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp

    So, if you're going to attack the guy, at least have a viable beef, K?

    Hell, if you're going to go after Obama for Ayers, how about going after McCain for his ties to G. Gordon Liddy, who was convicted for all kinds of malfeasance in attempting to subvert the Constitution by his actions with Watergate and the other Nixon BS?

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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Martrae » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:33 am

    Tikker wrote:
    Martrae wrote:
    The the Palin clothes thing makes me laugh. Of all the things to worry about.


    err

    someone using political contributions to the tune of $150k on clothes doesn't make you maybe wonder at all about their economic policies?


    Considering all the money they blow on banners, flags, lighting and stages....$150k for another prop doesn't phase me.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Arlos » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:36 am

    It isn't surprising, but it DOES make their making fun of Edwards' $400 haircut rather hypocritical, don't you think?

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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Gypsiyee » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:32 am

    Honestly, Mart, I really don't know why you pretend you aren't voting for McCain. No one can see what you do when you go into that booth, but I call bullshit that you're actually writing Ron Paul in - you're voting republican - you know it, I know it, most everyone on this board knows it.

    As for what you said, Obama hasn't even flat out said "I'm going to win" and all signs point to yes. No one should be that confident, and it's alarming that anyone, especially someone who's behind, is.

    Diek, associating with someone for a good cause hardly makes me question their judgment in a negative light. This Ayers thing is a mountain made out of a molehill to cater to those who feed on negative politics and have the attention spans of gnats - it's a distraction for mongoloids who use parts of their day to find a reason not to vote for him because they're uneducated on either ticket's platform and it's easier to say he's scary because he pals around with terrorists rather than he's scary because he's black, or he's scary because his name is funny. The people who buy into the Ayers crap are generally either voting the republican party regardless of the what happens, or they don't focus on issues, rather outward appearances and whatever tidbit of drama the Enquirer has out this week.

    As I mentioned, the clothing thing is not something I'm "worried about" - it's simply something else to add to the "someone remind me why he picked Palin?" file.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby brinstar » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:36 am

    for the record his name IS pretty funny

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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Haylo » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:17 am

    Personally I don't care that Palin used money for clothing, I just find it hilarious that she has all of this really expensive clothing (btw Michelle Obama spent less than $200 on each dress for the convention) and yet she's always attacking those Washington "elites" and saying how she's just a simple hockey mom with simple values that is just like you and me. Well I don't go out and spend $75k at Neiman-Marcus. That's what makes it bad, not the fact that she's using money to look good, which is valid because if she didn't people would comment, it's the extravagance. You can look damn good for a lot less.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Martrae » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:45 am

    Gypsiyee wrote:Honestly, Mart, I really don't know why you pretend you aren't voting for McCain. No one can see what you do when you go into that booth, but I call bullshit that you're actually writing Ron Paul in - you're voting republican - you know it, I know it, most everyone on this board knows it.


    I'm so glad you (and most everyone on this board) knows what I'm going to do. :rolleyes:

    I have no reason to lie about it. I will not vote for McCain or Obama. They both would/will be unmitigated disasters.

    I do find funny some of the reasons (on both sides) that you guys have for hating on the candidates, though, and since the majority of the reasons thrown out are against the republican side on this board...that's where my amusement shows up.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Gypsiyee » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:19 am

    The majority of the reasons are against the republican side? Who are you trying to kid, seriously? why don't you scroll down the first page of Current Affairs and see at least 5 threads dedicated to not only stupid, but untrue reasons for attack against Obama?
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby ClakarEQ » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:31 am

    Seriously though, the clothing thing is out of hand, I don't like Palin just like 99% of the rest of you here, BUT, she didn't buy shit, she didn't walk around the mall buying anything for herself.

    You all already know her lack of thought, so if someone came up with racks full of really nice clothes, saying you better wear this shit because you look like a Wal-Mart shopper, wouldn't YOU wear it?

    I mean seriously, to think she went to the mall and bought anything, don't kid yourself, she is taking the fall for some dumbass "assistant" that doesn't have the balls to stand up and say, Um, o yeah, it was me.

    That said, she is still an idiot; and to the first post, I'm sticking to my initial prediction and say McCain will win, as much as I'd hate for that to happen :(. The polls are BS, if Obama doesn't win some critical east coast states by 9:00pm on 11/4, you can say, welcome to 4 more shittier years
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Gypsiyee » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:57 am

    I don't think it was Palin at all - I think it was the republican side pandering to the lowest common denominator of voters.

    I'll say for a third time, the clothes aren't an issue to me so much as an afterthought - my post was in response to Brin's "fuck that shit" post, and I agree - fuck that shit. I don't think anyone in this thread said wow, that's totally a reason not to vote for that ticket. I think it's more a source for speculation on "how the hell do they honestly think they're different?"

    they have plenty within their platform to justify me not voting for them.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Martrae » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:49 am

    Gypsiyee wrote:The majority of the reasons are against the republican side? Who are you trying to kid, seriously? why don't you scroll down the first page of Current Affairs and see at least 5 threads dedicated to not only stupid, but untrue reasons for attack against Obama?


    And I've called Mindia out about some of the shit he's spewn as well. What's your point?
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Tossica » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:10 am

    Martrae wrote:
    Gypsiyee wrote:The majority of the reasons are against the republican side? Who are you trying to kid, seriously? why don't you scroll down the first page of Current Affairs and see at least 5 threads dedicated to not only stupid, but untrue reasons for attack against Obama?


    And I've called Mindia out about some of the shit he's spewn as well. What's your point?


    Her point is that although you claim to be an "independent" you are so obviously a conservative Republican. You aren't fooling anyone.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Gypsiyee » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:32 am

    If you call Mindia out, it's certainly far less than you do when it's something from an Obama supporter. Mind you, I wasn't talking about Mindia - there were other posts from people who had heard ridiculous things as well. I think it was Ashly who heard the radio talking about his birth certificate, and you certainly didn't chime in there about "stupid things people worry about" even though that one was blatantly untrue.

    Anyhow, my *point* (and I thought this point was pretty clear, but I guess not) - was that this quote:

    and since the majority of the reasons thrown out are against the republican side on this board...


    was bs.
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Eziekial » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:54 am

    Oh please. 90% of the active posters on this board are voting for Obama. Anytime someone posts some negative Obama shit at least 5-6 of the active posters rally to defend him. Outside of Mindia and Diekan (but I'm not sure about him either) there is hardly anyone else to take up the oppositions view ( just in case you wanted to actually debate an issue :dunno: ) so enough of the "oh, we are impartial". Anyone want to spend the afternoon reading how many negative posts about Bush/McCain/Republicans are compared to Hillary/Obama/Democrats? Hell, I think Arlos has Mindia beat by like 10 to 1. :)
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Gypsiyee » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:17 pm

    We were talking about stupid points with no relevance, though - I don't think Arlos has Mindia beat there ;)

    I'm not denying that this board leans left (though 90% is a real stretch), and I'm certainly not going to say I'm not impartial - there's no doubt that I'm passionate about my candidate and am incredibly partial - but saying that the majority of 'stupid reasons for attack' are all on the left side is completely untrue, especially since Mindia has us all beat out in the stupid political/propaganda posts area and he's on the right.

    I'm totally okay with actual discussion on the issues, I think true discussion makes us all a little better - it's the constant zippy 1 liners with no substance just to "call people out" I take issue with. You, Diekan, Lueyen, Minrott - as much as I disagree with several of your views, you always take the time to spell out your side, and I can respect that.

    PS - I think the oddest thing about this whole conversation is that the 150k on clothes isn't even the topic of the thread o.O
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    Re: McCain guarantees victory

    Postby Arlos » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:38 pm

    Indeed. The 150k is a complete side issue. The fact that there is growingly open feuding between the VP and the Presidential candidate is the huge piece of news. So is the admission of just how utterly unprepared Palin was when first selected, and how little knowledge of world affairs, etc. she had.

    It proves that she was totally selected in order to make points with the base, NOT because they felt that she was the best qualified candidate to be VP. She's got all of Cheney's attitudes and political leanings, with none of his knowledge. Given just how badly HE'S fucked things in this country, I can't imagine how horrific the end-result would be with her in a position of national power. Truly terrifying.

    Oh, and Eziekial, looking at the last 2 pages worth of threads, I made, hrm, it looks like 3 to 5 threads that could be considered "attack" posts of any kind. (depends if you consider posts praising Jon Stewart for slamming the media, and me laughing about Hannity getting owned fit into this category.) Since you used him as an example, I counted up the threads Mindia made that were specifically attack threads, and there are 6 of them. Care to re-examine your guess on numbers there, sparky?

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