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Postby Arlos » Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:03 am

WASHINGTON (AP) -- By month's end, federal health officials will decide whether to let women buy emergency contraception without a prescription -- and if so, whether the morning-after pill will be treated more like aspirin off the shelf or like cigarettes.

Regardless of how the Food and Drug Administration ends the two-year saga, it isn't likely to settle the issue. States are moving to expand access to Plan B, the pill that can prevent pregnancy if taken soon after unprotected sex, amid some competing efforts to restrict it.

And if the FDA does allow easier access, the pills probably would come with an age limit -- anyone younger than 16 would still need a prescription. So drugstores would have to "card" young customers seeking to prevent pregnancy much as they now check cigarette buyers' ages.

How is unclear. Would morning-after pills sit next to other over-the-counter drugs or condoms? Cash registers could be programmed to block purchase pending an age check. That's doable: Walgreen's, the nation's largest drugstore chain, just last month took that step to prohibit sales to minors of cold medicines containing a sometimes-abused ingredient.

Or would the contraceptive be treated like cigarettes, put behind cash registers as a reminder against teenage sales?

Or would morning-after pills be sold only "behind the counter," meaning the pharmacist still must hand them over even though no doctor's prescription is required?

Laws in seven states -- Alaska, California, Hawaii, Maine, New Hampshire, New Mexico and Washington -- allow women to buy Plan B that way, with no age restrictions. Massachusetts is set to become the eighth this fall, as lawmakers are expected to override their governor's veto of nonprescription sales.

Whether drugstores even agree to carry nonprescription Plan B will depend largely on whether such steps are required.

"A lot of it is going to be the ease with which it can be handled in the retail store," says Mary Ann Wagner of the National Association of Chain Drug Stores.

If FDA rejects nonprescription sales nationally, the small but growing Plan B state rebellion is sure to continue. It's legal for states to allow behind-the-counter sales because states, not the federal government, regulate how pharmacists practice, explains Dr. Alastair Wood of Vanderbilt University, a well-known pharmacologist who advises the FDA.

Still, Wood says conflicting state policy over a drug long considered safe makes little sense.

Plan B contains a higher dose of the hormones in regular birth control pills. It cuts the chances of pregnancy by up to 89 percent if used within 72 hours of rape, condom failure or just forgetting routine contraception. The earlier it's taken, the more effective it is. But it can be hard to find a doctor to write a prescription in time, especially on weekends and holidays. Hence the push to allow nonprescription sales here, just as in Britain and Canada.

If a woman is pregnant, the pills have no effect. They prevent ovulation or fertilization of an egg; they also may prevent the egg from implanting into the uterus, the medical definition of pregnancy, although recent research suggests that's not likely.

Contraceptive advocates and doctors' groups say easier access could halve the nation's 3 million annual unintended pregnancies. FDA's own scientists call the pills extremely safe, used by more than 2.4 million Americans and millions more women abroad with few side effects. FDA's independent scientific advisers overwhelmingly backed over-the-counter sales in December 2003.

But FDA rejected that move, citing concern about young teens' use of the pills without a doctor's guidance.

Maker Barr Laboratories reapplied, asking that women 16 and older be allowed to buy Plan B without a prescription while younger teens continue to get a doctor's note. When FDA missed a January deadline to decide, members of Congress refused to seat the agency's new commissioner until he pledged a new deadline -- September 1.

Opponents argue that unfettered access to Plan B could increase teen sex and are pushing states to restrict prescription access, too, such as by blocking requirements that emergency rooms or pharmacies sell it.

If the drug is sold without a prescription, FDA has no way to enforce an age restriction, says Wendy Wright of the conservative Concerned Women for America. "The person who buys the drug is not necessarily the person who takes the drug," she says. "It's a ludicrous proposal."

Plan B's proponents don't like the age restriction, either, saying teens are most in need of a second chance at avoiding pregnancy -- and that there's no evidence easier access increases teen sex or makes women of any age more careless about regular contraception.

If FDA rejects even age-staggered nonprescription sales, Planned Parenthood may sue, president Karen Pearl says.

"The FDA really ignored the scientific evidence," Pearl says. "This is absolutely the best way of assuring that when something does go wrong, that people have that second opportunity to prevent the unintended pregnancy."


from: http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/08/09/mo ... index.html

Looks like it's already freely available over the counter here in California. Also, note the line stating that individual states control how pharmacists practice. This should resolve the debate we were having on whether or not states have the right to tell pharmacists they must dispense prescriptions, regardless of what it is.

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Postby Narrock » Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:32 am

OH NO, YOU DI'INT JUST GO THERE!
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Postby Lyion » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:13 am

Even though I'm Pro Life, legally I see no reason why this shouldn't be OTC.


Wood says conflicting state policy over a drug long considered safe makes little sense.

Plan B contains a higher dose of the hormones in regular birth control pills. It cuts the chances of pregnancy by up to 89 percent if used within 72 hours of rape, condom failure or just forgetting routine contraception. The earlier it's taken, the more effective it is. But it can be hard to find a doctor to write a prescription in time, especially on weekends and holidays. Hence the push to allow nonprescription sales here, just as in Britain and Canada.

If a woman is pregnant, the pills have no effect. They prevent ovulation or fertilization of an egg; they also may prevent the egg from implanting into the uterus, the medical definition of pregnancy, although recent research suggests that's not likely.
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Postby xKALECx » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:28 am

This is nothing different than doubling up on 2 birth control pills. This is NOT the morning after pill. The morning after pill DOES end pregnancy and DOES kill the fertilized egg, implanted or non-implanted.
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Postby Gidan » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:39 am

IMO this would be a good thing and I hope it goes through. 72hrs to get a perscription is not always the easiest thing to do especially on holidays and Weekends as the artical mentioned.

I would definatly be in favor of requiring the buyer be 16 or even 18. Sure you will ahve those people who get around it the same way peopel do with tabacco products but you will have that in everythign that requires a specific age.
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Postby Donnel » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:42 am

No comment here...

now go answer my tech support thread.
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Postby Langston » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:47 am

Why would they make this pill OTC but continue to require prescriptions for normal daily-use birth control pills?

That's kind of stupid.
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Postby Arlos » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:56 am

I think it's a matter of the speed at which someone needs access to them. There's rarely a reason you'd need a set of normal birth control pills within 12 hours of deciding the fact. However, with the morning after pill, you have 72 hours, tops, to get it, and even then, you're far better off literally taking it the next morning, 6-12 hours after whatever incident prompted you to need them. Normal pills, you know when they're going to run out, you can either plan ahead for a Dr's appointment, or just go get a renewal. Morning after pills are, by their very definition, unplanned, and it can be difficult to impossible to see a Dr and get a prescription in time.

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Postby Langston » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:05 am

Well - I would think, then, that it would be advisable to have a prescription already filled for use "as needed".

The reason birth control pills are prescription only is that they are hormonally activated. There are innumerable cases where standard BC pills will wreak havoc on a woman's health - and because of this it needs to be monitored by a physician. The morning after pills are no different... if you see them go OTC, you'll see a lawsuit against the manufacturer within a year where some girl took it and began to have seizures. Mark my words.

There are things that should be OTC and things that shouldn't. I'm not arguing against this for any morality reasons - I'm against it because of the potential for health risks to the women taking them without medical consultation. And don't try to tell me that the Pharmacist will prevent it - they don't know a patient's history and, frankly, don't have the time/inclination to even ask. 95% of my visits to a pharmacist have been a brief "hello", handing over the slip, waiting 15 minutes, being told to sign the little slip, and then given my parcel. There was no discussion of interactions or side-effects or anything else for that matter. A pill that would be so commonly used as this one we're discussing would engender even less discussion than that.

I think this is a bad idea.
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Postby Lyion » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:07 am

Langston wrote:Why would they make this pill OTC but continue to require prescriptions for normal daily-use birth control pills?


Well, since normal birth control is part of a womans annual OB GYN, correct and is something a woman is putting in her body consistently. OTC is merely a one time deal that won't require anything and is routinely safe.
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Postby Langston » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:12 am

lyion wrote:
Langston wrote:Why would they make this pill OTC but continue to require prescriptions for normal daily-use birth control pills?


Well, since normal birth control is part of a womans annual OB GYN, correct and is something a woman is putting in her body consistently. OTC is merely a one time deal that won't require anything and is routinely safe.


What do you mean by "routinely safe"... and why shouldn't it "require anything"?
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Postby The Kizzy » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:13 am

With BCP, there are several different brands with different side effects, and you really should be monitored to make sure your body is handling it ok. Some pills maight make you bleed the whole month, so they switch you to a different kind of pill that makes you bleed never, so they switch you to a different kind of pill that has no serious side effects. That was my understanding anyway.
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Postby Langston » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:22 am

There are women that have serious emotional issues caused by the hormones in various brands of BC pills... along with the bleeding issues, there are also a very large number of cases of women who have increased pain from cramps, headaches, severe nausea, etc. from BC pills. There is the rare, rare case of seizure and heart issues, as well.

Since these morning after pills are effectively just huge "burst" doses of normal BC formulas, I can't imagine that the side effects would be much different. For that reason, alone, it should remain a prescription medicine.
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Postby Eziekial » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:51 am

My girlfriend experiences decreased libido due to BC which is, by far, the worst side effect.
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Postby xaoshaen » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:21 am

Langston wrote:There are women that have serious emotional issues caused by the hormones in various brands of BC pills....


How can they tell?
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Postby Lyion » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:33 am

haha... Flame incoming, methinks.
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Postby Captain Insano » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:10 pm

xKALECx wrote:This is nothing different than doubling up on 2 birth control pills. This is NOT the morning after pill. The morning after pill DOES end pregnancy and DOES kill the fertilized egg, implanted or non-implanted.



what in the fuck are you talking about Johnson? I've never heard that ever.

One would think that if you were pro life the Plan B or morning after pill would be a godsend... You could possibly halve the number of unwanted pregnancies which would consequently prevent a fuckton of abortions.
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Postby Gypsiyee » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:22 pm

xaoshaen wrote:
Langston wrote:There are women that have serious emotional issues caused by the hormones in various brands of BC pills....


How can they tell?


I'm one of those women who experiences said side effect.. I can tell because I feel like a completely different person when I don't take them (I went off of them a year when I wasn't sexually active to see how it would affect me)

The unfortunate side effect of *not* taking them is excruciating pain to the point that I can't move when it comes around that time and 9-14 day periods.

I went on BC when I was 11 years old to regulate the pain - it's one of those decisions you have to make - do I want to be emotionally distressed knowing it isn't my fault or do I want to be in agony and not do anything about it

Of course, all women are completely different and not all have the same reactions - at the same time, not all bc pills are the same and every one will react with each woman differently - over the past 11 years (minus the one that I was off it) I've been on I believe 6 different types of pills - some don't help as much as I need with the cramping, and the one I'm currently on does wonders for the pain but I feel like a basketcase sometimes - since I can tell myself it's all in my head, I prefer to not have the pain instead.
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Postby Zanchief » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:26 pm

Gypsiyee wrote:I went off of them a year when I wasn't sexually active


You chose to not be sexually active for a year?

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Postby Gypsiyee » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:33 pm

I wasn't sexually active for just about 2 and a half, actually

I was single, had come out of a year and a half of bad relationship, and I don't have sex with someone I'm not in a relationship with, so yea I guess I did choose it =b

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Postby Zanchief » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:37 pm

Gypsiyee wrote:I wasn't sexually active for just about 2 and a half, actually


That's just weird.
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Postby Gypsiyee » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:55 pm

You know, all my guy friends told me the same thing

Back then it wasn't something I thought twice about.. now, though, I think I'd go insane
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Postby Darcler » Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:28 pm

Up until after I had Hailey, I was never on BC. My periods were 3 days tops, no cramping. I went on Depo, the periods stopped, my skin took on a new undertone (turned from pink to olive....weird eh?). No mood swings (besides PPD) no decreased sex drive, I think mine was increased, actually.
Any other lady you ask, she will tell you Depo turned her into a bitch, she bled the whole time, she gained weight. Weird how same things affect different people...uh...differently.

Anyway, Morning After shouldnt be OTC. As someone stated earlier, it is a burst of hormones. It could have an effect with your current BC. I dont know how it currently works, but Dr.s should write you a prescription for a morning after pill that works with your current BC and have it marked as needed.
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Postby xKALECx » Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:39 pm

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xKALECx wrote:This is nothing different than doubling up on 2 birth control pills. This is NOT the morning after pill. The morning after pill DOES end pregnancy and DOES kill the fertilized egg, implanted or non-implanted.



what in the fuck are you talking about Johnson? I've never heard that ever.

One would think that if you were pro life the Plan B or morning after pill would be a godsend... You could possibly halve the number of unwanted pregnancies which would consequently prevent a fuckton of abortions.



I am just speaking about the article. The Morning after pill as it stands now does not work in the manner as described by Arlos's article. It WILL end a pregnancy even weeks after conception. I know what you have read. 100 hours after sex is the cutoff. Bullshit. It can cease pregnancy if taken up to 9-10 weeks after sex. The efficiency just drops largely and the moral issue's of the pill come into play.

Flame me all you want here, and unless you are prescribing drugs too then I don't give a shit. I REFUSE to prescribe a ECP (emergency contraceptoin pill) under any circumstance due to my personal beliefs. No matter the circumstance. BUT I WILL GET THEM TO A PHYSICIAN WHO WILL WITHIN 72 HOURS IF THE PATIENT DESIRES. 9 out of 10 rapes (yes there are the few legit ones and the rapists should burn in hell) I work are later to be proved bullshit, and most girls want it as an easy cop-out.

Fact is, release this drug over the counter and it will be used as much as OTC marijuana for cataracts. There are a huge number of risks with this pill and the situation for administration must fit perfectly. I doubt some 16 year old girl understands this, or gives a shit about risks, when she weighs them against the risk of death when her daddy finds out she's pregnant.

(BTW to answer your question, 2-3 birth BCP such as ortho-tri-cyclen were commonly used in place of the ECP in small hospitals where the ECP was not available. It's not as efficient, but in most cases it did the job.)
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Postby Zanchief » Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:43 pm

xKALECx wrote:
Captain_Insano wrote:
xKALECx wrote:This is nothing different than doubling up on 2 birth control pills. This is NOT the morning after pill. The morning after pill DOES end pregnancy and DOES kill the fertilized egg, implanted or non-implanted.



what in the fuck are you talking about Johnson? I've never heard that ever.

One would think that if you were pro life the Plan B or morning after pill would be a godsend... You could possibly halve the number of unwanted pregnancies which would consequently prevent a fuckton of abortions.



I am just speaking about the article. The Morning after pill as it stands now does not work in the manner as described by Arlos's article. It WILL end a pregnancy even weeks after conception. I know what you have read. 100 hours after sex is the cutoff. Bullshit. It can cease pregnancy if taken up to 9-10 weeks after sex. The efficiency just drops largely and the moral issue's of the pill come into play.

Flame me all you want here, and unless you are prescribing drugs too then I don't give a shit. I REFUSE to prescribe a ECP (emergency contraceptoin pill) under any circumstance due to my personal beliefs. No matter the circumstance. BUT I WILL GET THEM TO A PHYSICIAN WHO WILL WITHIN 72 HOURS IF THE PATIENT DESIRES. 9 out of 10 rapes (yes there are the few legit ones and the rapists should burn in hell) I work are later to be proved bullshit, and most girls want it as an easy cop-out.

Fact is, release this drug over the counter and it will be used as much as OTC marijuana for cataracts. There are a huge number of risks with this pill and the situation for administration must fit perfectly. I doubt some 16 year old girl understands this, or gives a shit about risks, when she weighs them against the risk of death when her daddy finds out she's pregnant.

(BTW to answer your question, 2-3 birth BCP such as ortho-tri-cyclen were commonly used in place of the ECP in small hospitals where the ECP was not available. It's not as efficient, but in most cases it did the job.)


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