Jobs vs Gates

[Lyion]

Hmm, let's check out Web Servers. The 'break in' market Windows Servers were using to get into the server room. Let's ignore the fact 90% of large databases and other apps are on mainframes or Unix big iron..

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_s ... urvey.html

Developer December 2005 Percent January 2006 Percent Change
Apache 52025380 69.97 50502840 67.11 -2.86
Microsoft 15557786 20.92 15510953 20.61 -0.31
Sun 1881861 2.53 1879856 2.50 -0.03
Zeus 577384 0.78 561524 0.75 -0.03

So, despite giving away IIS and pushing it haughtily on to their partners, MS still is completely pwned by Apache, which runs on Sun/Linux primarily. Again, this was MS breakthrough app they were going to push everywhere.

So much for them and servers. Also, more and more companies are adopting Linux, especially as IBM pushes it.
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[Kramer]

They are both Da Debil... it's just that Gates is the ugly Little Nicky type satan and Jobs, with his sleek and sexy technology is the Elizabeth Hurley type in that one awful movie with Brendan Fraser...

[ClakarEQ]

Not to bump this but Tikker, while AIX, HPUX, etc own in the ERP realm, they do not own in the file and print side nor the terminal services side (no I'm not talking irma cards, cross talk,SNA, AS400 emu, etc crap either).

So while you can have your HP superdom with RAC running on a box or three, typically if the nix side outnumbers the wintel side, i'd say you have shit hardware.

Another problem with windows is premise of isolation of services, you know, need a box for every "software" you need to run. They have only begun IMHO the server consolidation market (see e.g. MSVS).

A taste of what I'm talking about is any of what were the big three, wintell WAY outnumber nix, let alone all the tier 1 2 3 suppliers I've worked at under contract.

One local datacenter in MI for ford had 3 racks of Dell 1u servers for there term emu farm, they had 1 rack for erp and another for emc. I think you've been in too many DCs that have shitty hardware.

EDIT, i wanted to clarify that in many DC's if it wasn't wintel it was novtel having the large majority.

Also, jobs is a dickhead, talk to some of the folks that work for apple. I know years ago he ran that ship so tight folks used to hate it there. Didn't he coin the phrase, my way or the highway? LOL

[Kramer]

TOO MUCH JARGON

[Tikker]

Not to bump this but Tikker, while AIX, HPUX, etc own in the ERP realm, they do not own in the file and print side nor the terminal services side (no I'm not talking irma cards, cross talk,SNA, AS400 emu, etc crap either).

So while you can have your HP superdom with RAC running on a box or three, typically if the nix side outnumbers the wintel side, i'd say you have shit hardware.

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?

no one runs a database on a windows box unless they're forced to

I dunno, maybe it's different in every single data centre I've seen, but i've never seen windows servers occupy even 25% of the bays

[Harrison]

The only reason I would ever use Windows on a server is because I'm a unix noob for the most part.

[mappatazee]

Finawin are you ACHIN' FOR SOME BACON?

[Harrison]

Lay off the drugs.

[ClakarEQ]

/fyi erp=database / db farm, etc

I never said windows is a good db platform.

I said a good db platform is not generally huge numbers of servers but maybe 4-8 "super servers" with 16procs, EMC disk farms, etc etc.

If you have a DC with 40DB servers running some flavor of NIX, I can almost promise that hardware is antiquated at best (aka shit hardware).

In every DC i've have long contracts with, there is almost always the overrideing theme to reduce DB servers to 3-4 while the windows proliferates because it is "cheap and easy".

But to agree with you on a point, I've never seen any decent sized org. run DB's on anything other then HPUX-Oracle, AIX-DB2, etc. SQL is good for some stuff but SQL has never been bread and butter with MS (IMHO it still has some way to go there).