How would you feel if your kid came out?

[Ginzburgh]

Must be hate speech in your society then~ Even the gay guys that I know from high school say fag and talk like that

So there is no difference between a white person calling a black person a nigger and a black person calling a black person a nigger?

This wasn't much of a debate considering you proved all my points for me. Too bad you're the only one in the thread that can't see it.

[Darcler]

I deleted my long ass reply. I'm stepping out of this thread. I dont know what compelled me to respond in the first place. It's a pointless debate that will go in circles until one side gets bored and the other side falsely claims "VICTORY IS MINE".

[Trielelvan]

Triel-
Good for them if they can work through all that. Im not saying they shouldnt be *allowed* to or any crazy shit like that. If people want to try to take a show at it, let em have at it.

...

*watches all the pretty words fly over his head and crash into the brick wall*

I'll just shut up now. I try to invoke understanding and enlightenment, but I know when I'm beat. I hope you will open your mind someday.

[Tacks]

Man fuck all these stupid niggers and faggots in this thread.

[kinghooter00]

wow...very kind of you tacks.

[Ginzburgh]

Do you get the rainbow colored stars when you pass 6000 posts? I don't remember ever seeing them above my avatar. Maybe they've been there and I just noticed now.

[araby]

Do you get the rainbow colored stars when you pass 6000 posts? I don't remember ever seeing them above my avatar. Maybe they've been there and I just noticed now.

I had the same question.

[Tacks]

6000

[ClakarEQ]

Why is it wrong for someone to disagree with the gay lifestyle and voice their opinion.

I would be disappointed if either of my two boys became gay. I'd still love them, but I'd know one of two things took place

1) Genetic mutation (aka retardation)
2) Choice

It is not natures way and frankly (sorry gay folks) your genes are retarded. Not in the sense of mental retardation or any of that, but biologically, eveloutionarily(sp), your choice or lack of choice (genetic gay tendancy) is 100% against nature.

Being gay is not natural, it is against normality, it is inconsitant with eveloution, it is a retardation of a gene that just hasn't been stomped out (and most likely never will, and that is a-ok).

Insertion of a penis into a anus or mouth does not create a baby. The purpose of your penis or vagina is procreation. Gay folks can not procreate without external assistance (adoption, invetro, etc). This in of itself is reason to disagree with the gay lifestyle.

So please call me a bigot because I think gay folks are "retarded".

BTW, I have worked with several gay folks, I don't think less of them, I don't really care about what they do in their personal life, etc. I don't think of them being less capable towards any aspect of work or life in general. I also feel that society requires acceptance of gays just as we require acceptance of all retarded people. I've even been hit on because (yeah I'll admit it) I'm a bit metro, I like things cleaned up. I had a gay guy ask me if I liked being the bear or the cub. My response, "what? What do you mean?". After a bit more talk I realized what was going on and he realized that I wasn't gay or bi. No harm done, I sort of felt flattered. I got shit from my coworkers for a good year though and wish I had never told them the story.

Also, my use of "retard" is my generic term for this, it isn't meant to convey stupidity or anything, you could use genetic mutation in it's place if you like, just retard was easier to type (that and it fuels the flame here a bit and that is always good).

Gay acceptance has been a sine wave all through humanity, it goes up, down, etc. I'd guess about now it is on an upswing but to assume years from now it will still be going up, I wouldn't bank on that and history would agree with me.

Bi folks though, now these folks are gay only by choice. Genetics to my knowledge (and I'm no expert) isn't grey, it is black and white, on or off, you know, you've either got it, or you don't, it isn't a toggle switch that goes on and off). Choice however, well we all know about that already.

ramblings off

[Ginzburgh]

You know retardation means slow right? A word initially associated with people who have down syndrome because they developed more slowly than others?

So I do not think that word means what you think it means...

[Zanchief]

So I do not think that word means what you think it means...

Inconceivable!

[Gaazy]

Im done here >< Im not changing how I think, you arent changing how you think, I really dont give a shit what you think, and you really dont give a shit what I think. End of story.

[ClakarEQ]

You know retardation means slow right? A word initially associated with people who have down syndrome because they developed more slowly than others?

So I do not think that word means what you think it means...

You are correct so I do apologize, I was a bit uneasy using that word and is why I tried to clarify using my mutation example comment.

I am incorrect though, you are correct. My understanding of retardation was not synonomous with mutation.

I suppose, I'd be reaching though, to say gays are impeding evolution, but yeah, that'd be a stretch.

[araby]

I believe gay people are closer to perfect than imperfect.

[ClakarEQ]

I believe gay people are closer to perfect than imperfect.

If you want to stop procreation, I agree 100%.

Some time ago, I got flamed a bit for simliar statements. I made an anology regarding gays and evolutions attempt to stop a parasite (us).

So Araby, you could be correct, perhaps being gay is the desired direction of evolution. However if that were true, it would imply evolution wants to snuff out mankind.

[Tacks]

well fuck evolution for making gays light on their feet, they could have made them stone cold killers or something instead

[araby]

I believe gay people are closer to perfect than imperfect.

If you want to stop procreation, I agree 100%.

Some time ago, I got flamed a bit for simliar statements. I made an anology regarding gays and evolutions attempt to stop a parasite (us).

So Araby, you could be correct, perhaps being gay is the desired direction of evolution. However if that were true, it would imply evolution wants to snuff out mankind.

Actually you're right on with my beliefs. It's an entirely different topic, however and I'm not sure it belongs in this thread. I will think on it for a bit and type something out later when I get back to my CONDO AT KIAWAH ISLAND (haha...just bragging on my very lucky position at the moment.)

[ClakarEQ]

Not to continue and I know folks may say I'm a cold hearted bastard or some shit.

I have two kids. My kids were both planned. There are specific reasons for that, first and foremost, my wife and I will leave this world with what we entered it with. life for a life, 2 are born, 2 are dead. Now if my wife got pregnant I would not abort a 3rd child but it would be a mistake / accident.

I have no issue with folks having 3 or more kids, however I feel these folks are selfish and care not about the environment or the good of man kind but care only for themselves. I do not believe that we are here to populate this place into oblivian however this is the road many of us have taken.

At one time mankind needed to have large families, the world was a big place and we were a small part of it, that was then, this is now and our current trend IMHO is NOT good.

I could ramble on in length for all the reasons I think the way I do about this topic.

[Ginzburgh]

I was the third child

And also a mistake! My brother and sister are nine and 10 years older than I am.

[ClakarEQ]

Ginz, I'm in the same boat but only 3 years off from my closest sybling. I'm a mistake none the less though.

*chimes in the misfit x-mas song LOL

[Dylan]

KILL ALL THE GAYS! YEEHAW!

[Yamori]

I have no issue with folks having 3 or more kids, however I feel these folks are selfish and care not about the environment or the good of man kind but care only for themselves. I do not believe that we are here to populate this place into oblivian however this is the road many of us have taken.

Modern industrialized countries generally don't contribute to overpopulation much, if at all. It's the 3rd and 2nd world nations that are flooding the planet with babies.

Native populations in the US, Canada, and Europe are actually going *down* if I remember correctly...

[ClakarEQ]

I'm on my way out but I would disagree with you just a bit Yamori but my opinion is based only on observation.

I agree 2nd & 3rd world contribute more, but my observation of the families I deal with (and it is a lot, I coach u6 soccer and see the families of both teams), at least half have 3 or more kids.

However if "going down" is compared to 5 or 6, then we still have problems IMO.

I've got 23 aunts and uncles, 11 on my moms side and 12 on my dads, I know my family tree has done its damage.

[Yamori]

Clakar:

Insertion of a penis into a anus or mouth does not create a baby. The purpose of your penis or vagina is procreation. Gay folks can not procreate without external assistance (adoption, invetro, etc). This in of itself is reason to disagree with the gay lifestyle.

So I take it you've never had oral or anal sex with a female? Never used birth control?

Do couples that can't create kids also deserve scorn for living the same basic lifestyle?

[Yamori]

I'm on my way out but I would disagree with you just a bit Yamori but my opinion is based only on observation.

I agree 2nd & 3rd world contribute more, but my observation of the families I deal with (and it is a lot, I coach u6 soccer and see the families of both teams), at least half have 3 or more kids.

However if "going down" is compared to 5 or 6, then we still have problems IMO.

I've got 23 aunts and uncles, 11 on my moms side and 12 on my dads, I know my family tree has done its damage.

Again - "families" you deal with is the key word. How many people have you met in your life that didn't have and will never have kids? That number is increasing more and more.