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leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
Jay wrote:Personally, 15% is the minimum. And no, I don't sit there with a tip calculator. I just eyeball the total cost of the meal, move the decimal 1 to left and drop another half of that total onto that and round up. If you were barely ok, maybe even made a few mistakes, you're gonna get your 15%. If you made an effort to be nice and prompt, which most servers I've ever encountered do, I typically tip 20-25%. I've stiffed someone on tip maybe 3 times ever. They have to be horrendous and outwardly rude and I mean REALLY rude. Sometimes someone has a bad day and they suck. When it's really bad, I'll give like 10% and I'll even tell them hey, you coulda done better and I hope everything is ok.
leah wrote:i also think you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat servers.
Zanchief wrote:One thing I should also mention. I abide this social contract as it is required of me, but I despise it. I hate the idea of tipping. I hate the debasement of those serving me that they should feel the need to beg for a tip, as do I the feeling of guilt that is passed on to me. It doesn't really work as it's supposed to, and mostly just favors hot girls. I think compensation should be the authority of your employer and not the patron. I never know who I'm supposed to tip or how much. It's very frustrating. A professional business should not allow tipping and compensate their staff accordingly (I know, not going to happen).
Zanchief wrote:I never know who I'm supposed to tip or how much. It's very frustrating.
Zanchief wrote:One thing I should also mention. I abide this social contract as it is required of me, but I despise it. I hate the idea of tipping. I hate the debasement of those serving me that they should feel the need to beg for a tip, as do I the feeling of guilt that is passed on to me. It doesn't really work as it's supposed to, and mostly just favors hot girls. I think compensation should be the authority of your employer and not the patron. I never know who I'm supposed to tip or how much. It's very frustrating. A professional business should not allow tipping and compensate their staff accordingly (I know, not going to happen).
leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
Zanchief wrote:One thing I should also mention. I abide this social contract as it is required of me, but I despise it. I hate the idea of tipping. I hate the debasement of those serving me that they should feel the need to beg for a tip, as do I the feeling of guilt that is passed on to me. It doesn't really work as it's supposed to, and mostly just favors hot girls. I think compensation should be the authority of your employer and not the patron. I never know who I'm supposed to tip or how much. It's very frustrating. A professional business should not allow tipping and compensate their staff accordingly (I know, not going to happen).
Narrock wrote:Yup, I ... was just trolling.
Narrock wrote:I wikipedia'd everything first.
Ganzo wrote:Zanchief wrote:One thing I should also mention. I abide this social contract as it is required of me, but I despise it. I hate the idea of tipping. I hate the debasement of those serving me that they should feel the need to beg for a tip, as do I the feeling of guilt that is passed on to me. It doesn't really work as it's supposed to, and mostly just favors hot girls. I think compensation should be the authority of your employer and not the patron. I never know who I'm supposed to tip or how much. It's very frustrating. A professional business should not allow tipping and compensate their staff accordingly (I know, not going to happen).
Are you quoting Reservoir Dogs?
Drem wrote:It's a karma thing at this point
Zanchief wrote:Hi Drem, welcome to an adult conversation. So far, you're not doing very well.
Let me explain myself in simpler terms. Tipping is a way for restaurants to get away with underpaying their staff and you actually support this, Drem? You think tipping is a fair way to operate? It's a way to get salary off the books. It's also an unregulated way to pay people that is very biased. Do you think it's fair for an employer to pay woman more than men, and attractive woman more then ugly ones? "Sorry Debbie, but you're pushing a deuce, you're getting a pay cut." Why do you think this is bad for restaurant people? I always tip. It is needed, as that is the way society has constructed that exchange, and as I live in it, I abide it's rules, even if in this case, I don't agree with them.
To the point of not knowing how much to tip, what's so funny about this? When you visit other countries do you always know how much to tip? What about at a hotel or resort to the person who brings up your bags? What percentage do you tip your movers? What about someone who delivered something to your house? Each have their own set of rules which exist solely so the business can deceive the client into thinking their product is worth less than it is, and to shelter taxable income. I hate the game.
Jay, not so hot with math, are you. $20 eggs and hash brown? Sure, if you're bill normally comes to $20 after tip. That's what I'm saying. Raise wages accordingly and remove the social contract. It's horrible. It's seems people support it only out of habit and they think people who don't are somehow against waiting staff (which I am in no way).
leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
Jay wrote:Here's the thing about giving someone a raise. The dollar amount you're paying your employee is not proportionate to the dollar amount you're spending to increase their wage. Giving a waiter a 10 dollar raise to not take tips anymore means I'm paying 13-15 dollars more an hour for his services after taxes. My waiter's potential income for the night has now been capped and your food cost is higher. Everyone loses.
leah wrote:i am forever grateful to my gym teacher for drilling that skill into me during drivers' ed
leah wrote:isn't the only difference the length? i feel like it would take too long to smoke something that long, ha.
brinstar wrote:
the reason i bring it up is that a couple months ago i ate lunch there with a couple of friends, and ordered my favorite dish (orange chicken with carrots added, fried rice). nearly a month later i went in to get takeaway, and ordered the same thing. he unpins a ticket from his little bulletin board and asked if it was mine from the previous time, saying that i'm the only one who ever orders orange chicken with carrots. my first thought is uh oh, someone's card bounced, i'm gonna have to cover it - but then with his adorably broken english he explains to me that our server that day had overcharged me $1 for the carrots. apparently carrots aren't supposed to cost extra (i didn't know that), so he saved the ticket for a month just so he could knock a dollar off my next order. all this over a dollar! i was so happy i tipped him nearly 100% on the order lol
anyway that is why you treat your servers right (and also why you eat local whenever possible, but that's probably another discussion for another thread)
any incentive a server had to work hard and treat you better than the bare minimum of expected service is gone.
If you don't like tipping, eat take out or fast food.
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