Is Vick overrated?

[Lyion]

I have yet to see him make a big time QB throw, and yet he is making more $$$ than any other player. Yeah, he runs a 4.2 40, but against good schemes he's almost more of a liability than an asset.

Is he overrated? Is his sole reason for being in the playoffs, that he plays in the sucky NFC?

[Malluas]

both vick and mcnabb are overrated. If neither have a ok to good D they don't win anything. Both make too many bad throws. McNabb at least was better this year.. but still without TO he isn't as good.

Vick has a good D.. and the only reason he is "good" is cause when you have crumpler and Dunn around you you have to deal with all 3 so vick gets to run alot.

He is a great college QB not a good NFL one

i better Mora jr.. if he had a choice this year he would pick up a QB in the draft so they could throw. having Price doing nothing is hurting the team. he is a good WR but Vick can't throw

[Lyion]

Vick just killed his team, with a terrible throw to Crumpler. It seems if Crumpler isn't wide open, Vick is worthless.

[Malluas]

vick COULD be great... but he needs time under a veteran passer thats good falcons should hire Steve Young.. someone that can run and pass

[Tadpole]

LOL

You think Vick and McNabb are overrated? You don't know jackshit.

Look at the Falcon's record with and without Vick. Enough said.

McNabb has gotten into the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row, winning this year. The past 3 years he has had shit receivers.

[Lyion]

If Vick is in the AFC, playing Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New England, etc does he even have a winning record?

He's overrated.

My only problem with McNabb is how much does the system he is in contribute to his success? They've plugged in various QBs when McNabb was hurt and they've all won.


No question McNabb is a very good QB. Vick hasn't proven he is yet, IMO. He can't beat a good team, and he is one dimensional.

Lets see how McNabb does in the Super Bowl against the Patriots.

[Tadpole]

How can you say Vick is overrated when the Falcon's suck complete ass without him and have a horrible losing record, and with him they go to the NFC Championship game? Brady isn't the best passer out there but he continues to win, which is all that matters.

[Tadpole]

I can kind of see what you are saying about McNabb. Do you watch McNabb play though? He escapes so many tackles and is reading the coverage and making so many better passes this year than previous years.

[Lyion]

McNabb is definitely maturing and is an elite QB. He is accurate, mobile, and makes good reads. He does have Favre itis and occasionally does incredibly bone headed throws.

Vick can't PLAY QB. Show me a game he has won on his arm. Atlanta's D played a good game against Philly, and if Vick could hit the broad side of a barn it would've been a close game. If the Falcons are in the AFC, they have a losing record. PERIOD. Vicks claim to fame is his speed. Play disciplined D and he is impotent. Playing in the NFC against crap teams has inflated his value.

[Harrison]

They might as well just make him a RB

[Tadpole]

Alge Crumpler, Michael Jenkins, and Peerless Price dropped some gimmes. Did you see how horrible their offensive line played? Vick had no time to set and throw. He was scrambling 1 second after the snap. Give Atlanta one good receiver (Peerless Price was thought to have been the good receiver they needed, but he has not produced) and then let's see how good Vick does.

[Malluas]

They should make him a WR

Tadpole.. atlanta also had alot of Defensive injuries that year when Vick was out. Just name a QB that was a running QB that has ever won anything by himself.

McNabb imo is good.. he isn't elite. Here is why, he can't win a game by himself against a great opponent or good Defense. They have had one of the best NFC defenses the last 4 years. He fumbles and throws stupid interceptions too much.

If winning games just cause a guy is in, there is a NBA guy (which is alot more individual of a game) who if he was on your team you had a 90% chance to win a title. Except we don't call him the greatest player ever right?

Winning is fine, winning in the playoffs is different.. Vick by himself can't. Mcnabb can but will he i don't kno

[Tadpole]

Putting Vick at RB would get him killed. He isn't durable enough. He isn't big enough.

He would make a better receiver than halfback.

[Tadpole]

Which significant players were out while Vick was out? While Vick was out, I believe there team record was 2 or 3 wins and around 9 losses. When Vick came back, they lost one game and won the rest. Vick can change the game by himself.

Making him a receiver would be stupid. Vick has the talent, he just needs more time to grow into their new system. You guys do know this was the first year they used the west coast offense system, and it was Jim Mora Jr.'s first year as the Falcon's head coach. Wait until next year when Vick has some exp in this new system.

The only thing that hurts Vick is that he is undersized, being 6' tall, while the average QB is 6'2.

[Lyion]

They had a whole new coaching staff and play in a pitiful division.

Vick has an ass passer rating, and don't talk about time. He has the BEST line coach in the league in Alex Gibbs.

The problem is Vick cannot make the reads and plays pocket passers make. His two options seem to be run, or throw to Crumpler if he's wide open.

The Eagles took Crumpler out, and Vick was completely worthless doing anything but trying to run, of which he couldnt do, because the Eagles play sound D.

The reason the Falcons are where they are is because of Alex Gibbs and good Defensive play, in addition to playing in the NFC.

[Tadpole]

They had a whole new coaching staff and play in a pitiful division.

Having a whole new coaching staff is tough to adjust to. Carolina was plagued by injuries this year, or they would have most likely been in the NFC championship game yet again.

Vick has an ass passer rating, and don't talk about time. He has the BEST line coach in the league in Alex Gibbs.

His passer rating was shit, but stats aren't always the key. Again, being in a new system will take a year or two to learn and get comfortable in. Alex Gibbs is a great OL coach, possible the best in the league, but, their offensive line played like shit.

The problem is Vick cannot make the reads and plays pocket passers make. His two options seem to be run, or throw to Crumpler if he's wide open.

That is true. Vick is horrible at reading passes.

I still think Vick is not overrated. What he brings to the table is something no other QB can bring.

[Lyion]

He can't beat a good team. Carolina and Tampa when they had players owned him.

He pretty much guaranteed Phillys win by his complete inability to make a good pass.

Sure, he's an amazing athletic talent, and possibly has the best acceleration of any athlete ever, but to be a QB you have to read progressions and throw accurarely.

He needs to be able to read Ds, go through progressions, and throw accurately. He cannot do any of those. Philly is hardly a juggernaut team, and their D isn't in the top 5 of the NFL.

Again, put Atlanta in the AFC, and they'd have a losing record.

[Tadpole]

They won't neccessarily have a losing record, depends on which division they are in, they just have a better chance at not making the play-offs. You can do that to almost any NFC team.

Just give Vick time to adjust to the new system, and he will produce. He did very well this year for learning it just this off-season.

[Lyion]

Beating Arizona, San Francisco, and similar teams does not make one a good or well rounded team. Those teams will get better, as well Tampa and Carolina who were devastated with injuries.

If you want a true indicator of how good Atlanta is, take a peek at their KC game.

They are not in the top 10 teams in the league, IMO.

Atlanta's window is closing, unless Vick learns how to be a real QB.

[Tadpole]

One game is nothing. Some days are off days. That is like saying look at the Dolphins-Patriots game.

God that game was awesome.

[Lyion]

Division foes are never taken for granted.

Losing 56-10 to a mediocre KC team with no D should tell you Atlanta has real issues.

[Diekan]

I have always thought Vic was and is over rated. I have to listen to it all the frigging time down here... It's worse than listening to the Manning hype of two weeks ago.

Yeah, he can run... But I have watched his passing closely when I see the Falcons play. He is NOT a great passer. Hell, I would even say he is average AT BEST.

I've said it more than once that Vic is just a great running back pretending to be a QB. He can only make plays when he's on the run - other than that - ha.

As a QB he IS overrated, as a player in the NFL, he's very good.

[Jei]

As a QB he IS overrated, as a player in the NFL, he's very good.

I agree with this statement