Just curious, how many of you have quit? And why?

[Martrae]

That was the point Ugz...it's too easy....

[Langston]

Nevermind... I'm crawling through fucking mud trying to make a point to Lumpy. I don't know what I bother.

[Adivina]

I wanted to play EQ2, but I followed Aryylas to WoW...

[Zormito]

Once I got 60 the game was too much of a time sink, I've got school for that.

I might play again if the Battleground is interesting but Bliz only has 20 days until my account runs out.

[Tacks]

So Finawin, how are you enjoying Molten Core? OH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'VE NEVER EVEN FUCKING BEEN THERE! Yeah, really easy!

[Tikker]

levelling is too easy in WoW, this is a given


The instances are usually fairly challenging when you 5 man them at appropriate lvls

the fact that most WoW players are lame mofaka's that want to raid thru instances they should have 5 man'd 5 lvls ago is a problem you can fix yourself

[Harrison]

So Finawin, how are you enjoying Molten Core? OH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'VE NEVER EVEN FUCKING BEEN THERE! Yeah, really easy!

I would likely enjoy it as much as the rest of the game. Good for the first few runs of it and then it would turn into me wanting to avoid it like the plague.

As I said I will give it likely one more try on another character to see if it gets any more exciting.

[Tacks]

When did ANYONE, ANYWHERE get the idea that levelling in WoW was going to be a challenge? Everyone knew EXACTLY what they were getting into when they bought the game. The challenge in the game was never levelling up, the challenge is the encounters and in pvp. Do these as they were intended to do, then you have a right to talk shit (and yes, I've done them):

5 man LBRS
5 man Uldaman
5 man Scholomance
5 man Stratholme
5 man BRD
10 man UBRS
Kill 1 mob in MC

The problem is that these no-talent fucktards do instances when they're 5 levels above the intended level then whine about the game being easy. No shit sherlock, Befallen in EQ wasn't hard at level 50 either!

We cleared RFK at level 27, and it was one of the most fun times I've had in the game. I have a feeling half the fags here didn't even step foot in there till their mid 30's.

[Langston]

I was in the first horde group to clear Gnomeregan on our server. I rock.

[xKALECx]

Well, I have canceled for now. Been playing since beta, and I have to say, the easiness in lvl'ing is just an open door for the poor players. I have never seen so many ignorant, non-skilled people in one game....EVER. I really do hate this fact. I found WoW to be a great game, and while the challenging instances are few when you look at the entire game, I had fun for the most part.

In the end I am sticking with EQ2. The community is a LOT stronger, with many old school MMO'ers who know how to play a decent game. I enjoy the lore, and even though the game is slower, it gives more feeling of accomplishment in-game when I lvl up and adventure new zones. BUT THIS IS JUST MY OPINION~

I think that both games are very good and exactly what this genre of gaming needed. A good booster if you will. I just hope for Blizzard's sake, they pick up the pace, and starts addressing content/battlegrounds faster, or there will be more jumping ship to EQ2, and other MMO's.

[Tikker]

Someone told me last night that they found Diablo2 more challenging than WoW

[Zanchief]

Molten Core isnt easy.

[xKALECx]

Molten Core isnt easy.

I understand this. But when an entire game has 7-10 areas that are actually tough and take skill and 13478913240 other places that Ray Charles (RIP) could lvl up a character w/o deaths, I consider it too easy.

[Tacks]

re-read the part about doing things at intended levels

[The Kizzy]

Why are you guys getting so upset? Who cares what Finawin thinkgs? Let him leave the game. It will make Icecrown a VERY happy server.

[Lyion]

The problem is that these no-talent fucktards do instances when they're 5 levels above the intended level then whine about the game being easy. No shit sherlock, Befallen in EQ wasn't hard at level 50 either!
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What exact 'skills' and 'talents' do these instances take to clear? Please extrapolate. What uber strat do you use to differentiate yourself from the other 50000 level 60 rogues out there fighting?

WOW seems to be heavily equipment and class driven to me. The better your gear and the better balanced your group, the easier things will be. Where it differentiates from EQ, is the design is allows that you can still level and be productive even if you aren't in that perfect group. This also trivializes the game, and simplifies it.

Honestly, I haven't encountered many piss poor players on Whisperwind. Most know their roles, assist, and DPS classes DPS. Like I've said before, the problem I have is the PVE design document is very close to EQ. It's nice they've added a PVP system almost identical to Mythics Dark Age of Camelot, and they've been wise enough to take the top 2 US Fantasy MMOs and take the best from both. At the end of the day though the game is still what it is. People will be farming equipment, just like EQ. Then people will farm Realm Points, just like DAOC. Thats the design. Thats also the problem.

Your solution to people who find WOW boring is to try to do things differently to make the game more difficult. The problem isn't WOW, the problem is WOW is not an at all original game and many are realizing this and despite the fact the game is fun, it still has the same caste system and gerbil on a wheel philosophy that is prevalent in so many of these games.

WOW may be the best game on the market. Its a lot of fun, and I have no doubt Blizzard will upgrade and improve their product. What it isn't is at all original. Its Worlds of Everquest and Camelot.

[Tacks]

No, really I don't care. I'm just saying the people crying are most likely the ones who did Scarlet Monastery at level 40 then say WAH IT'S TOO EASY! They ARE doing some things to combat this with the next patch having group limits in instances (bravo!) no more no-talent zerg-fests.

As far as equipment goes, I could do my job the same way with 2 vendor bought daggers and fighting naked. I might lose 30 dps but I could still do my job. Equipment is a big factor to Warriors, and thats about it.

Like you said, they weren't out to reinvent the wheel. They took the most fun ideas and put it into one package, is that such a bad thing? Half the problem is the rushed production. They could have easily used another 6 months of work (battlegrounds, realm points, mounts, hero classes, siege weapons, raid instances, high level instances).

[Harrison]

I did scarlet monastery at 30 ^_^

(I don't count the runs I did at 28-29, we took 1 level 60 with us)

Don't assume since the rest of the B-net crowd zergs lower leveled instances that everyone else does.

[Harrison]

That's where I got my nifty staff, off the guy to the side with all the pets.

[Tacks]

You can do it at level 1. I'm talking about where your entire group is in the same level range.

And no, you didn't do Cathedral at 30 if the rest of your group was 30.

[Harrison]

From 30-36ish group range

Same shit, mid 40's run through that which is pathetic.

[Tacks]

As long as you're a healer, sure. At level 30 and being a melee you'd do about 10 DPS on the level 40 mobs.

[Langston]

So you claim to have defeated the Cathedral with people no higher than 36? Where I see that as a slim possibility, it's highly unlikely. You wouldn't have the DPS or mana pools to kill the two bosses at the same time without people getting clipped. Your DPS would be dramatically impacted by fighting reds as well as the increased damage received from the level difference as well as limited gear choices. I'm not saying you need to be 40 to do it, but you damn sure didn't do it with a group of 30-36 - unless ALL of you were 36 and pulled it out on a lucky streak. If the end script were a single 42 elite, sure... but not 2 of them. Sorry - but you're full of shit again.

[Tacks]

We did 5-man it at 35-36 (entire group range). it's possible but very difficult.

[Harrison]

We did the two sides, I never said we did cathedral. Taxx did which I missed until your windbag-post.

(Library and Graveyard I think the one on the left is called)