Lyion wrote:You think Man is a simple animal. I do not. Philosophy disagrees with you greatly, as well. Feel free to work to understand man, since your comprehension seems limited to pure science. Anyone reading your posts sees that.
I am discussing the origin of the species
Homo sapiens sapiens. It's a simple question of science. If you want to discuss metaphysics, we can do that in another thread. But don't put up a strawman and expect me to take a swing at it.
I agree that anything we do not understand is worthy of studying. So does the Catholic Church. Interesting that some do not want debate, merely pure facts in something that has precious few.
Macroevolution is nothing but a guess. It has merit, but it also is nothing more than a question mark. It tries to explain what science does not have the propensity to explain. There is ZERO real proof for macroevolution. That is a fact.
Well, first of all, science doesn't involve 'proof'. Either you mis-spoke or you really don't understand how science works. Science is a way or answering questions about the universe - 'how' questions, not 'why' questions. It is sometimes said to be 'the best explanation of the known facts'. Thus from time to time, new facts or explanations arise that contradict old explanations. Over time, then, scientific theories change as they become better able to explain the known facts. But at any time, any theory can be disproven by new evidence; therefore, speaking of 'proof' is incorrect.
The disproof of macro evolution is in the examination of the actions of men. You try to corral this with other forms of science.
Macroevolution is a well supported part of general evolutionary theory. The lines of evidence supporting it include: fossil evidence, morphology, molecular biology and genetics. The convergence of evidence supports the theory that all life on earth shares a twin-nested hierarchy of common ancestry. I again point to the talk.origins FAQ on macroevolution
here that gives over two dozen evidences for macroevolution, which I hope people will go and read.
I'm not sure what sort of pseudo-mystical claim you're making above, but it really doesn't seem to be anything actually pertaining to science.
Now the next few lines just seemed too complex for you to come up with, yet still somehow badly written. I'm used to Creationists taking quotes out of context and then claiming they support their positions... did you?
However, this brand of science is wrongly lumped with other science.
The evolutionary theories are susceptible to difficulty in
establishing fact. Unlike physics or chemistry, which are verifiable
through controlled laboratory experimentation, the evolutionary disciplines
are essentially historical.
Evolutionary research over the past century has taken many twists and turns,
It changes often since it is not based on 'fact', and seems more spurned on by psuedo intellectuals like yourself with a secular agenda to further.
The scarcity of evidence, the high reliance on imaginative
interpretation, and the inherent problem of verification make the evolution theory very unreliable.
Now, you're both plagiarising and misquoting here. The
quote is actually:
The evolutionary sciences are especially susceptible to difficulty in
establishing certitude. Unlike physics or chemistry, which are verifiable
through controlled laboratory experimentation, the evolutionary disciplines
are essentially historical. All the forms of paleontology (including
paleoanthropology, the study of ancient man) seek to determine what
happened to living things over the course of time. When researchers
advance hypotheses to explain fossil phenomena, they are giving *reasonable
interpretations* which are verifiable only through subsequent research.
Later findings may confirm these explanations, or perhaps render them less
plausible, or even prove them *wrong*--that is, very highly unlikely. Thus
what is generally accepted by specialists today may be outmoded only a few
years from now. The field is highly dynamic.
Evolutionary research over the past century, and especially in recent
years, has taken many such twists and turns, often leading in unexpected
directions. This unsettled condition stands to reason. The relative
scarcity of fossil evidence, the high reliance on imaginative
interpretation, the inherent problem of verification--all combine to make
this "detective" work subject to ongoing uncertainty.
It's generally considered dishonest to change the meaning of a quote, but then, you just stole it anyhow and presented it as your own. That's doubly dishonest.
I'll fully concur it may be our current best guess in regards to 'pure science'. However, given our huge limitations in science and the fact there is so much dissent in discussions about these issues it comes down to purely subjective views.
Again, you may be an animal. I am a human being, with a soul.
Science doesn't say anything about a soul. I know many evolutionists who are also Christians, Jews, or other religions. They understand that there is no conflict between evolution and religion, as did the site you took your misquotes from.
What I do know is that your source you stole from is actually quite clear that there is no contradiction between evolution (or macroevolution) and Catholicism. It does urge caution against making overeager claims about science, which is obviously a wise course in any event. For some reason, however, you decided to both steal the quote and not credit the source, as well as change it by inserting a gratuitous comment, and then somehow claim it as supporting your dislike of scientific theory.
You've engaged in pretty standard Creationist misquoting habits. I'm disappointed. Like I said, it's nothing I haven't seen over and over again for the last dozen years on talk.origins. Your argument boils down to 'I think man is special so I don't believe evolution'. That's simply not scientific; but then, neither is misquoting or plagiarism.
You owe everyone here an apology.
--R.