Is WOW fucked long term?

[Insanityfair]

I have a disfunction.

[Trielelvan]

I have a disfunction.

That's ok. So do I IF.

[Tae-Bo]

Its fast food and packaged for the ADD crowd.

If you think sitting in a corner killing the same 8 MOBs over and over and over is a challenge, then I pity you. If you think that because someone could sit there and grind those 8 MOBs for hours means they have a better attention span, then I pity you. If you think that because it took months to grind enough iterations of those 8 MOBs to get to level 50 (or 60, 65, 70 whatever) that the game was better for it, then I pity you.

You just don't get it. A game is supposed to be fun... not work. EQ was work - it was hours upon hours of grinding for a level. It was hours and hours of camping for a spawn... only for it to not drop what you needed. It was hours upon endlessly stupid hours of killing green-con spiders (or rats, or whatever) for the 1500 silks you needed to skill up your tradeskills. It was hours upon hours of killing literally thousands of green-con mobs for faction to do a quest. YOU CALL THAT "BETTER"?

I pity you.

quoting this because it's true

Only reason people look back so fondly on EQ was because it was their first large-scale successful mmorpg, so they're using it as some sort of benchmark to compare WoW to.

WoW is a far, far superior game to EQ. However if you're the type of person who's into D&D roleplaying shit then I can imagine you'd like EQ better.

My guild has done most of the higher-end content, we've cleared MC up to Majordomo, killed Onyxia, killed Azuregos, killed Kazzak, and doing all of those were way more fun than doing anything I've done in EQ. And I look forward to doing them some more.

If you're having problems forming any type of community then grow a personality and become friends with people, I've met a shitload of cool people in the game.

Everything in WoW is superior to EQ, other than patching and server issues heh.

[LostCause]

[Lyion]

Everything in WoW is superior to EQ, other than patching and server issues heh.

Complete opinion. YOU like WOW better than EQ. Some people like Pepsi better than Coke.

If you want to break it down, EQ has more content, more classes, more challenge, more roleplaying opportuniies, more items, more spells, a better package with OTHER Games, and an older and more mature community. The reason many like WOW better is they have SO much goddamn time invested in EQ they are tired of it. The real answer is to come back in a few years and see if you played as much WOW as you did EQ. If not, then I guess it wasn't as good a game. If you got as much time and fun out of it, then its a better game.

WOW is EQ circa 1999 with the Blizzard touch and lore and correcting a lot of mistakes Verant made. It is a good game, but it ain't the fucking be all end all.

[Trielelvan]

Levelling in WOW is ten times easier than EQ, allowing for everyone and their brother to be 60 in a short time. EQ at least had challenge to levelling and a penalty for death. You go to Guk and get an add and die, you have CR and exp loss. You screw up in WOW, big woop. There is no sense of danger.

I actually think Ugz makes a pretty good point Lyion.

Your quote up there would be non-existant if you had never, EVER played EQ before.
Of course it's going to be ten times easier than EQ - dude, leveling in EQ now is cakewalk. I started playing soon after the release of Kunark (early May 2000) - it took me over a month to hit level 20. Why? Because I didn't know what the hell I was doing (well, that and I must have dinged level 13 like 10 times - ahh good times, good times). It was all brand new - no one had ever seen anything like it before, let alone how to work the hotkey settings, which gui to use.... how to get the fuck out of Neriak or Cabilis >< (that took a couple days to get the real hang of it). The last character I made in EQ was level 20 in about a week or two (and mind you, I rarely have time to play for more than an hour or 2, 2 or 3 times a week). Why was that so much faster? Because I knew where to go, what to kill, what to quest to get the most xp, and knew how to work the skills the character had already.

Now, in WoW - there isn't a single city that has taken more than a single visit to figure out. Why? Because I'm used to the massive structure of buildings everywhere. Is leveling hard? No. Why? Because when I see mobs that are near my level or higher, I'm not afraid of taking them on right away and know what to do to win - strategy with spells, etc, I learned in EQ. They aren't really any easier - especially when you consider that "twinking" is nearly non-existant. So much gear is soulbound and level based in WoW, you can't really outfit your character with too much better until you get higher level.

We still see real-honest-to-God newbies once in a while there - people who have NEVER played video games before trying to play WoW, and they are just as lost and confused as most of us were in EQ when we first started.

It's all perspective man. Your's is skewed and biased - you were looking for something even MORE challenging than EQ, but you won't find it. Your MMO gaming virginity was smashed into jam a long time ago.

Btw, you calling the EQ community "older and more mature" is very (I mean this in a good natured way). I have never seen bickering and begging as I have in EQ. I understand your point though

I wouldn't say WoW is better in every way, but it is certainly a nice change from the "work" EQ turned into.

[Langston]

It is made for the battle.net crew and caters to quick fixes and ADD people. If you don't see it you are just bullshitting yourself.

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One of us has a chip, and it aint me.

Right... you're chipless. Give me a fucking break, dipshit.

[Lyion]

So I take it based on your Mindiaesque response you have nothing worth a squirt of piss to add.

I'm sure there are plenty of Finawin and Garg threads for you to amuse yourself in. Given your quoted hatred for treadmilling it's amazing you've regurgitated the same post several hundred times in different ways, in a way that would make War Dragon proud.

Get back to me with that new dynamic content. I'm sure it'll arrive about the same time as an original post from you that's worth a fuck.

Now, in WoW - there isn't a single city that has taken more than a single visit to figure out. Why? Because I'm used to the massive structure of buildings everywhere. Is leveling hard? No. Why? Because when I see mobs that are near my level or higher, I'm not afraid of taking them on right away and know what to do to win - strategy with spells, etc, I learned in EQ. They aren't really any easier - especially when you consider that "twinking" is nearly non-existant. So much gear is soulbound and level based in WoW, you can't really outfit your character with too much better until you get higher level.

Except none of that is original and it exists in other games. WOW has done a great job of fashioning a fun and easy game, that will attract to a wide range of people. However it is a 'friendly' 'diablo-like' version of EQ/DAOC IMO. Tthe point of what was originally said is what is there to keep people in WOW at this point in time. It is essentially 'gearquest' a la EQ and Diablo and will that be enough? Also since it is so 'easy' with no penalties for death and a complete 'streamlined' approach to so many things it simplifies and 'speeds' things up. This is great for casual players, but is there enough to justify paying for the game and continuing to play it 6,9, 12 months out? We shall see.

We still see real-honest-to-God newbies once in a while there - people who have NEVER played video games before trying to play WoW, and they are just as lost and confused as most of us were in EQ when we first started.

Blizzard has a fantastic name due to making very, very good games. It is no surprise many people are trying it. Another thing people are missing is the AMOUNT of broadband and Internet out there is vastly larger than in 1998/1999. Thus the market is much larger than when EQ was released, and a slew of mediocre titles has given Blizzard a golden opportunity to snatch up market share.

It's all perspective man. Your's is skewed and biased - you were looking for something even MORE challenging than EQ, but you won't find it. Your MMO gaming virginity was smashed into jam a long time ago.

I wouldn't say WoW is better in every way, but it is certainly a nice change from the "work" EQ turned into.

Exactly. WOW is a CHANGE from EQ for many. However for others I doubt the ride will last anywhere near as long, and you are not seeing anything 'new' from WOW, merely making what's already out there a bit better and smarter.

I think I can sum it up in to me EQ is a BETTER MMO. WOW is a better overall game.

[mofish]

WoW is better than EQ in every respect? You must be shitting me. Hell, even EQ1s graphics are arguably better than WoWs. That's sad.

Server queues (great idea blizzard); unresponsive abashi-esque relations people full of canned answers and bullshit; an official message board that is down when the servers are down; Horrible server stability almost 6 months into the game; constant downtime; no reason to group ever; no community at all; content is sparse; patches are rare, and lame when they occur, introducing more issues and no content; loot is lame; no penalty for dying; no penalty/no reward for a pvp death; anything I missed?

My favorite was the recent taking down of the servers for THREE HOURS to add full-rest state to people to apologize for yet another serious downtime. Way to go Blizzard!

Please, someone tell me why I would play this game?

[Tae-Bo]

Everything in WoW is superior to EQ, other than patching and server issues heh.

learn to read, please

also, i'm not even trying to argue points here, i guess you either like it or it sends you into a frothing rage for some reason

[Zanchief]

no reason to group ever; no community at all; content is sparse; patches are rare, and lame when they occur, introducing more issues and no content; loot is lame; no penalty for dying; no penalty/no reward for a pvp death; anything I missed?

No reason to group....aside from all the fun and challenging instances.

No community...for the anti-social assholes. I know most all the lvl 60s on our horde side since I make a lot of pickup groups. We know the assholes and the poor players. Our community talks to each other, maybe you guys shouldn't have played zergfest alliance morons if you wanted a community.

Patches are rare? Maybe but at least we get more out of our patches that you get for PAID FUCKING EXPANTIONS!

Introducing no content? Except new zones loot instances and features.

Loot is lame...if you say so. So much different then EQ loot.

No penalty for dying? Theres a worse penalty for dying in WoW then EQ, you lose gold. Even at lvl 60 you have a panalty were as in EQ once you max your lvl there is virtually no penalty at all.

Anything you missed? Only a clue.

[Harrison]

The point he is making about loot is generally you are replacing/getting/selling loot so often you might as well play D2.

[Langston]

So I take it based on your Mindiaesque response you have nothing worth a squirt of piss to add.

No Lyion - I had several posts in this thread that you didn't bother even reading before you took a hot steamy shit on your shoes. Go back and read those, respond in something other than in an idiot's fashion, then I'll post something constructive again.

[Tae-Bo]

The point he is making about loot is generally you are replacing/getting/selling loot so often you might as well play D2.

when you're level 30

[Lyion]

No Lyion - I had several posts in this thread that you didn't bother even reading before you took a hot steamy shit on your shoes. Go back and read those, respond in something other than in an idiot's fashion, then I'll post something constructive again.

Lets look at your contributions.

Just put it in the WoW rants and flames... WTF is it here?

THAT was useful. On par for you. Didn't bother reading my first sentence. Since neither of your stalker children were here, it isn't surprising.

I'm baffled by people who whine about the lack of difficulty in WoW, but who I know for a fact used to sit in places like BoT or PoM killing the same 6-8 MOBs over and over and over and over for hours. Yes - that was very challenging I'm sure.

You have confused your posting gaggles of shit for hours and hours opposite Fin, Garg and others to gaming. Anyways you missed Tikker and others points. It's not surprising as you spend too much time trying to be clever and not enough actually reading and comprehending others points, as anyone can easily see.

If you knew then what you know now - with all of the online resources and general gaming know-how, how difficult would it have been?

Was Velious era EQ more difficult than WoW? Yeah, I think it was, but not nearly as difficult as EQ release for the reasons I've cited above.

blah blah blah, more drivel and shit

So, anyway... I'm not one to say that WoW is for everyone. It's not. I am only saying that you're judging apples and oranges with the same measuring stick.

You ALMOST made a point there, before you segued off the main discussion on to some tangent for God knows what reason. The thread is about WOW and staying power, and the plus' and minus' of how it currently is. Saying it's not comparable to EQ, a game it copied heavily from is silly, I think.

You're totally overlooking that when EQ first came out, no one knew anything about MMOs or how they worked. Go back and read my post...

Thank you Captain Obvious. We need more gems like this from you.

What he's trying to say is since he doesn't like WoW any more, anyone who does obviously has a disfunction.

I.E., he's being a dick.

Even more beautiful. You almost made one point, and you degrade into Cave Troll mode seeking a form of low level entertainment since the thread has bypassed you.

No you don't... you just don't have Lyion's chip on your shoulder.

The moon... beautiful. I don't have a chip. I do not own stock in any of these companies. I'm not a raging flamer fanbois like others. I play what I am enjoying at the moment. You on the other hand seem to have real issues. I have multiple level 40+ characters in WOW. I levelled to 60 in Beta. Show me a quote where I start using angsty dumbass verbage like you?

Right... you're chipless. Give me a fucking break, dipshit.

I'll let others who have less angst than Alanis Morisette on speed decide if I indeed have a chip. I might, but I don't think so.

So, we've established in this thread in which you've posted often, you ALMOST made one decent reply. I think thats better than your average!

[Antilus]

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[Harrison]

Michael Bolton

[Narrock]

Michael Bolton sucks.

[Harrison]

There was nothing wrong with it... until I was about 12 years old and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys.

[Lyion]

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haha.. thread over.

[Langston]

Lyion - your last post proves unequivocably that you didn't read mine. You skipped over one of them completely and gutted another just so you could avoid my points.

Nice work, chief. You gonna stick your fingers in your ears and start humming loudly now, too?

I don't know what crawled up your ass in the last week... but I'm tired of you. You've become insipid and I just don't have any desire to debate with your pandering bullshit any more. When you get your head out of your ass, send me a PM and I'll start reading your posts again.

[Lyion]

The POINT here is will WOW have issues once the initial novelty wears off due to its current setup. It's not about EQ. It's not about how we were when we played EQ. It's simply a look at where WOW is right now in peoples minds and what it needs to have the kind of retention other games have.

Yeah people realize levelling is easy. That has been established. It is a game where anyone can level to 60 in a short amount of time. Why are you debating this? You agree with us.

I'm not arguing that WoW isn't an easy game to play - I'm arguing that you can't say that it's any less difficult that anything else on the market. Even EQ2 isn't more *difficult* - they just made it take longer and have instituted more penalties for mishaps along the road (this is based on what people have said - not first hand knowledge). Punitive penalties for the failures of others, most noticeably: death penalties, is an idiotic concept - it doesn't make the game more challenging it just makes it more tedious.

First, EQ2 is a much more difficult game. Which is why most of the people you see at 50 are organized and know their classes unlike WOW. Have you even PLAYED EQ2 before you made that observation or does it have ANY merit besides your opinion? Do you at all understand the game?

You don't like the design of death penalties, thats fine. However if death is meaningless then it trivializes all danger in a game. Death and fuck ups are trivial in WOW so there is no 'danger'. There isn't even the small amount you had in Diablo.

This article believes due to WOWs simple setup, it will also see heavy turnover in its present incarnation. Explain to me after you've been 60 for 5 months what will keep you in WOW that's there right now?

[Donnel]

been 60 for 5 months

I think it would be imprudent not to mention that WoW will most likely see at least one expansion if not more before this time. It's the way MMO's work. If you don't release new stuff the game stagnates. EQ was the same way.

[Adivina]

Am I allowed to like both games? ><

[Lyion]

Am I allowed to like both games? ><

Absolutely. Or dislike both games. Just ignore the fanbois on both side who take their gaming 'personally'.

I've played both since release. Both EQ2 and WOW were released early and should've stayed in development longer. Competition pushes releases, and so by this time next year both games will be 'mature'.