so wtf is up with this, you tell me

[Martrae]

Kizzy, she said the thermometer was changed and it still did it.

[vonkaar]

There is no two camps here. Frankly I could give two tenths of a shit what you believe and what you dont believe. Araby had asked me a question to which I answered to the best of my ability. It was then that the two Dr. Who's decided to turn this into a great cursade to bash anyone and everyone that did not kowtow to their own way of thinking.


Lets take a look at how your science explains things shall we?

If we get into the 'science' of things a popular physics theory(when it is practiced science it is ok to use theory and not be able to puke up a solution to a hypothesis 30 years later) that comes to mind is that all things are connected at a base level. The therom (pardon me it has been a few years) stipulates that all things are connected. In other words what ever effects a charge particle anywhere in the universe effects everything in the universe. This is what is being studied at universities as well a basis for alot of study in major think tanks. So in your own skewed view point science screams boojum and you say "uh huh yeah I believe that".

This is one therom but there are about 100 more theroms which all known science is based on. However the fact is they can not explain the base of which the core of science is founded on. They take it on faith. Lets see a popular one by a German Jew in the early 40's E=MC2. Otherwise knwon as the THERORY of Relativity. It is still not a law because the therory can not be proved completely.

This is how Science works.
Taken from a book on Intro to Physics.
The scientist develops a theory to try and explain how the system works. Based on the theory, the scientist can make predictions about cause and effect in real world events.

So in other words alot of what we belive is 'true' is based on a therory that some big brain has called truth.

Yeah your science will explain everything is great. hell it cant even explain itself.

I quoted the whole thing... just because it's too much to nitpick through...

What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously, is that even a reply? I mean... you just went on about the scientific process... for... what? How does that pertain to the discussion?

Theories are just that... pretty much, nothing ever becomes a 'law' per se. Even the 'law' of gravity as originally described turned out to be 99% incorrect. Newton's view of the universe was so 'off', pretty much the only 'law' that remains from his conjecture is that objects 'fall'. In terms of this thread, Tossica was asking for any 'real' evidence... possibly in which to construct a 'theory' of his own. You have *your* theories... and I'm proud of you for it. You are conducting science of your own! Yay!

Maybe you missed the part where I said, "If science proves the existence of ghosts..." I'm at a loss for words here... You are going about the scientific process every time you go witch-hunting. Maybe YOU will be the one to 'prove' the presence of the unliving. Congrats! Bad-fucking-ASS. I'd be your absolute number-one fan. AS IT IS, however, you are contradicting yourself on numerous fronts.

I don't get it...

When you go on your cute-little ghost explorations, are you doing it under the guise of a TRUTH-SEEKING RESEARCHER or a 1-900-Psychic ghost-story self-fellator? It really seems like you are SEEKING evidence; you are promoting the scientific process. Good for you!

I never said that JuJu or ghosts do NOT exist... I simply said that I won't believe it until I see them for myself... OR, someone proves their existence in a manner I would subscribe to.

The two bits that YOU said that raised so many alarms were...

my proof is eye witness and my own accounts and not being able to disprove them scientifically

You have a theory built on a foundation of the unknown. If a scientist came out and said that black holes are formed by pixies, people would want evidence of the pixies before they would take him seriously. You are saying that the floating jewelry-box phenomenom is produced by ghosts. Tossica and I are simply looking for proof of the ghosts, pixies or 7th dimensional leprechauns. Maybe if we had that, your theory would be more believable.

I am saying that this is the explanation after scienece fails

And yet, you take offense to me drawing a comparison to the eclipse-fearing Sumerians. Science 'failed' them and so they feared Enki and Anshar. All I'm saying is, we laugh at them for their jumping at shadows... it's quite possible that one-day, your "camp" will be viewed in a similar laughable light. OR... you'll prove the presence of the pixies and undead and we'll have a whole new branch of science to explore. YOU are conducting your own science... which makes you better than the 9-year old telling ghost-stories around a campfire. If ghosts and pixies turn out to be reality - the 9-year old will say, "told ya so" and so can you. The difference is, yours was an educated "told ya so" while the 9-year old simply got lucky.

That is, if you truly *are* following the scientific process...

which... your last post sort of...

But whatever. We'll all know when we die. And when that happens, you better not fucking haunt me.

[kaharthemad]

oh I will, boy...every time you look in the mirror I be there screaming "IM STILL HERE" Or maybe appear to you in the form of a halfling from EQ out of the corner of your eye you will see me forcing a level 8 mage to run to freeport for your metal

or maybe everytime a window or mirror gets foggy Ill write Boo.

Yes, Vonk alot of the paranormal is just that. Theory much like approved science. I used to belive that alot of things could be explained away by science. I still do. But there is some mystery in the world that still cant much like sciences theories. I have not given up on anything.

I have seen things that science can not possibly explain yet or can. So as human nature permits I look towards what I can. I never once stated that ghosts are trapped souls. Far from it. I think they are residual effects from a persons life. In a way like the burn in effect of a monitor when it has played a image too long it is a image of his life...nothing more. It is a theory I will admit it. but like any theory it waits to be proved or disapproved.

[The Kizzy]

tl;dr

[vonkaar]

Well then, we are all okay... in harmony even. Tossica and I (we'll go by "the cynics") will simply 'wait' until we see it ourselves (and hopefully it'll be something innocent like writing in a mirror, instead of dead babies filling our bathtub) or someONE (science or whatever) proves to us that it's legit.

Meanwhile, Finawin will continue being sponsored by the letter I and the number 250.
Get it!? "I" is for the word "ignorant" and "250" is symbolic of his fat ass! HAHA!!

[The Kizzy]

good, now get out of this thread, non believer.

[veeneedefeesh]

I have always wanted to use that smiley

[Tossica]

Last night, I turned off all the lights and went to bed at around 12:30AM. I woke up at around 3AM and noticed the kitchen light was turned on again... I got up and turned it off and went back to bed.

What is the most likely explanation?

1. My GF got up during the night for a glass of water or something and doesn't remember getting up or leaving the light on.

2. I got up and went to the kitchen and don't remember doing it.

3. I "remember" turning off the kitchen light before I went to bed but maybe I did not actually do it.

4. Ghosts

[Harrison]

God forbid someone disagree with the mighty Faggot of the boards. He'll have to write up a nasty paragraph about you!

[veeneedefeesh]

God forbid someone disagree with the mighty Faggot of the boards. He'll have to write up a nasty paragraph about you!

someone disagreed with you Harri?

[Tossica]

God forbid someone disagree with the mighty Faggot of the boards. He'll have to write up a nasty paragraph about you!

someone disagreed with you Harri?

Oh... the BURN!

[Donnel]

Swab and shot

[vonkaar]

God forbid someone disagree with the mighty Faggot of the boards. He'll have to write up a nasty paragraph about you!

Additionally, Finawin is a fat, unemployed man IRL (in real life) who dreams endlessly about his ideal realdoll (nws) configuration.

oops, sorry donnel

[Donnel]

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You didn't put NSFW sir.

Just as the boss walked past. Glad I have l33t alt-tab skeelz.

PS: I was just looking out for you, didn't want the high and mighties to come in with their remarks of moderators not following the rules...

[Harrison]

The fact you even know of that speaks volumes.

Good job being incorrect on the other two also. Might want to call Sherlock Holmes and fire him from the case.

[vonkaar]

FINAWIN GOT A JOB AND IS NO LONGER A FATASS! SCREAM IT FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS!! HOORAY!!

Also... for the record, both Martrae and Kahar 'disagreed' with me and I didn't, "write up a nasty paragraph" about them. I argued my case and we came to an accord ^_^ . You said some unfounded things, pulled a finawin and then sulked away when I made fun of your gut.

[Aryylas]

With how much your minds are open I'm amazed by how much they are sealed shut at the same time.

[kaharthemad]

FINAWIN GOT A JOB AND IS NO LONGER A FATASS! SCREAM IT FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS!! HOORAY!!

Also... for the record, both Martrae and Kahar 'disagreed' with me and I didn't, "write up a nasty paragraph" about them. I argued my case and we came to an accord ^_^ . You said some unfounded things, pulled a finawin and then sulked away when I made fun of your gut.

Still gonna haunt you when I die.

[Jennay]

Araby, when are you going to take a picture of this? Thread got derailed as usual heh.

[Captain Insano]

exactly what again the fuck this was thread about?

[araby]

I wiped away the bottom part of the "I" but the rest of it is still there, I'll take one this weekend.

[araby]

/bump

I have two pictures and are finally getting around to posting them, sorry. I'm not lazy but the mirror doesn't always fog. when it did, I snapped one, and Scott did too.

I for some reason can't post images so maybe someone can help?