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Creation vs. Evolution on trial in Kansas

Postby Narrock » Mon May 02, 2005 11:50 am

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... olution_dc

I sincerely hope and pray that the teaching of Creationism wins, hands down.
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Postby Gidan » Mon May 02, 2005 11:58 am

So if creationism wins, who's creation story will they be teaching? Are we going to dictate wich religion has the correct story if any of them are correct?
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Postby Narrock » Mon May 02, 2005 12:16 pm

Gidan wrote:So if creationism wins, who's creation story will they be teaching? Are we going to dictate wich religion has the correct story if any of them are correct?


Erm... the one in the Bible.
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Postby Gidan » Mon May 02, 2005 12:17 pm

So we are going to dictate to people what religion they should beleive. That is the exact reason we have the seperation between church and state.
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Postby Martrae » Mon May 02, 2005 12:17 pm

Which bible?
Jewish?
Muslim?
Christian?
SDA?
etc etc etc?
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Re: Creation vs. Evolution on trial in Kansas

Postby Rust » Mon May 02, 2005 12:21 pm

Mindia wrote:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&ncid=1896&e=2&u=/nm/20050502/us_nm/life_evolution_dc

I sincerely hope and pray that the teaching of Creationism wins, hands down.


It's not a trial, it's a hearing by the Kansas BoE.

If they want to teach about the Christian creation myth in Science class, they're going to get their asses handed to them by the courts. If they want to teach some kind of comparative religion class, I'll volunteer to teach a week on Zen Buddhism, and a week on the Norse Gods - you can teach a week on Christians, then we can get Ganzo to come in and do Orthodox Judaism. Lyion would, I'm sure cover Catholicism (then Arlos can come in and do Lapsed Catholicism. :) ).

Who wants to do: Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Wiccan, Druidism, Greek Gods, etc? Volunteers?

I look forward to the day they point out the Biblical Flood story is a rehash of the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh stolen and re-written by the Jews....

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Postby Narrock » Mon May 02, 2005 12:25 pm

Martrae wrote:Which bible?
Jewish?
Muslim?
Christian?
SDA?
etc etc etc?


First of all... SDA is not a religion. It's a denomination of the Protestant Christian religion... a sect thereof.

Second of all, Muslims have the Quran, not the Bible.

Thirdly, Christians and Jews believe in the same creation story. It starts in Genesis in the Old Testament.

Fourth, to answer your question on which Bible to use? Well obviously the Bible that doesn't have the added books of the Apocrypha in it.

And I furthermore believe that if parents of other religions don't want their children to be taught the truth then their child can sit out of those particular classes and learn other things.
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Re: Creation vs. Evolution on trial in Kansas

Postby Narrock » Mon May 02, 2005 12:28 pm

Rust wrote:
Mindia wrote:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&ncid=1896&e=2&u=/nm/20050502/us_nm/life_evolution_dc

I sincerely hope and pray that the teaching of Creationism wins, hands down.


It's not a trial, it's a hearing by the Kansas BoE.

If they want to teach about the Christian creation myth in Science class, they're going to get their asses handed to them by the courts. If they want to teach some kind of comparative religion class, I'll volunteer to teach a week on Zen Buddhism, and a week on the Norse Gods - you can teach a week on Christians, then we can get Ganzo to come in and do Orthodox Judaism. Lyion would, I'm sure cover Catholicism (then Arlos can come in and do Lapsed Catholicism. :) ).

Who wants to do: Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Wiccan, Druidism, Greek Gods, etc? Volunteers?

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That depends upon if the court judges are activist judges with an agenda.
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Postby Gidan » Mon May 02, 2005 12:30 pm

And I furthermore believe that if parents of other religions don't want their children to be taught the truth then their child can sit out of those particular classes and learn other things.


By that thinking we could just say. If you dont want your childreen to learn the truth, they can just sit out of the evolution discussions.
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Re: Creation vs. Evolution on trial in Kansas

Postby Gidan » Mon May 02, 2005 12:31 pm

Mindia wrote:
Rust wrote:
Mindia wrote:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&ncid=1896&e=2&u=/nm/20050502/us_nm/life_evolution_dc

I sincerely hope and pray that the teaching of Creationism wins, hands down.


It's not a trial, it's a hearing by the Kansas BoE.

If they want to teach about the Christian creation myth in Science class, they're going to get their asses handed to them by the courts. If they want to teach some kind of comparative religion class, I'll volunteer to teach a week on Zen Buddhism, and a week on the Norse Gods - you can teach a week on Christians, then we can get Ganzo to come in and do Orthodox Judaism. Lyion would, I'm sure cover Catholicism (then Arlos can come in and do Lapsed Catholicism. :) ).

Who wants to do: Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Wiccan, Druidism, Greek Gods, etc? Volunteers?

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That depends upon if the court judges are activist judges with an agenda.


Actually, they would get their ass handed to them in court. Its a clear violation of the constatution. The only way they could win would be for the constatution to be amended.
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Postby Martrae » Mon May 02, 2005 12:32 pm

Bi·ble Audio pronunciation of "bible" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bbl)
n.

1.
1. The sacred book of Christianity, a collection of ancient writings including the books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
2. The Hebrew Scriptures, the sacred book of Judaism.
3. A particular copy of a Bible: the old family Bible.
4. A book or collection of writings constituting the sacred text of a religion.
2. often bible A book considered authoritative in its field: the bible of French cooking.



Doesn't matter what they are called...they are all bibles.
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Postby Darcler » Mon May 02, 2005 12:33 pm

"Well obviously"...

What if that is what I believe in. I would want my child to learn from that one.

They should have separate classes, one teaching science based on religion and one not. (I didnt read the article...too many words... so I dont know if that is waht it is talking about or not.) And you choose at the beginning of school which you prefer to learn, that way noone is being forced to learn something that goes against what they believe in.
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Postby Narrock » Mon May 02, 2005 12:34 pm

Martrae wrote:
Bi·ble Audio pronunciation of "bible" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bbl)
n.

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1. The sacred book of Christianity, a collection of ancient writings including the books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
2. The Hebrew Scriptures, the sacred book of Judaism.
3. A particular copy of a Bible: the old family Bible.
4. A book or collection of writings constituting the sacred text of a religion.
2. often bible A book considered authoritative in its field: the bible of French cooking.



Doesn't matter what they are called...they are all bibles.


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Postby Diekan » Mon May 02, 2005 12:44 pm

I thought you posted that the SDA was in full support of a separation of church and state?
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Postby Donnel » Mon May 02, 2005 12:48 pm

Gidan wrote:
And I furthermore believe that if parents of other religions don't want their children to be taught the truth then their child can sit out of those particular classes and learn other things.


By that thinking we could just say. If you dont want your childreen to learn the truth, they can just sit out of the evolution discussions.


I would support this.

But then, I already do, my children will be home schooled AND attend a private Christian school.

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Postby Donnel » Mon May 02, 2005 12:52 pm

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Re: Creation vs. Evolution on trial in Kansas

Postby kaharthemad » Mon May 02, 2005 12:53 pm

Rust wrote:
Mindia wrote:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&ncid=1896&e=2&u=/nm/20050502/us_nm/life_evolution_dc

I sincerely hope and pray that the teaching of Creationism wins, hands down.


It's not a trial, it's a hearing by the Kansas BoE.

If they want to teach about the Christian creation myth in Science class, they're going to get their asses handed to them by the courts. If they want to teach some kind of comparative religion class, I'll volunteer to teach a week on Zen Buddhism, and a week on the Norse Gods - you can teach a week on Christians, then we can get Ganzo to come in and do Orthodox Judaism. Lyion would, I'm sure cover Catholicism (then Arlos can come in and do Lapsed Catholicism. :) ).

Who wants to do: Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Wiccan, Druidism, Greek Gods, etc? Volunteers?

I look forward to the day they point out the Biblical Flood story is a rehash of the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh stolen and re-written by the Jews....

--R.

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Postby kaharthemad » Mon May 02, 2005 12:55 pm

Diekan wrote:I thought you posted that the SDA was in full support of a separation of church and state?


only when it suits his purpose Diekan...only when it suits his purpose.
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Postby Diekan » Mon May 02, 2005 12:55 pm

I hate to say it, but it's getting tired going over the same topics again and again - didn't we just go through the whole "evolution vs religion" thing like a couple of weeks ago?
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Postby kaharthemad » Mon May 02, 2005 12:56 pm

Yes but aparently is did not sink into the Zealot's head.
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Postby Narrock » Mon May 02, 2005 12:59 pm

Diekan wrote:I thought you posted that the SDA was in full support of a separation of church and state?


They are. I'm just stirring the pot for fun :teehee:

No, seriously... I'd really like to see Christianity and Creationism taught in the public school system, but that it's not mandatory for all kids to attend. Rust touched on an interesting point... and that is to have sessions where they can learn about the faith that their parents are bringing them up in.
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Postby Narrock » Mon May 02, 2005 1:00 pm

Diekan wrote:I hate to say it, but it's getting tired going over the same topics again and again - didn't we just go through the whole "evolution vs religion" thing like a couple of weeks ago?


Yes, but this was a brand new headline on the Yahoo news groups this morning.
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Postby Donnel » Mon May 02, 2005 1:01 pm

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No thanks.

My Children can learn about their faith where they are supposed to.
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Postby Zanchief » Mon May 02, 2005 1:03 pm

Why can't YOU teach your children about faith Mindia?

Why even bother involving schools?
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