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EU constitution shot down by the French

Postby Lyion » Mon May 30, 2005 5:22 am

I wish the Canadian and American voters would act a bit more French

By Timothy Heritage
Reuters
Sunday, May 29, 2005; 10:41 PM

PARIS (Reuters) - France overwhelmingly rejected the European Union constitution on Sunday, pitching the EU deep into crisis and dealing a potentially fatal blow to a charter designed to make the enlarged bloc run smoothly.

EU leaders said after a referendum "no" vote that the treaty was not dead and member states should continue the ratification process. But British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the rejection raised profound questions about the future of the EU.

The heavy defeat dreaded by EU leaders could weaken France in the 25-member bloc, stall European integration and unsettle some financial markets. It also wounds President Jacques Chirac two years before presidential and parliamentary elections.

"The French people have given a huge smack in the face to an entire system that has the nerve to tell us what to think," said nationalist French politician Philippe de Villiers, a leading opponent of the charter. "The constitution is no more."

Chirac swiftly conceded defeat in a televised address to the nation as the "No" camp celebrated a crushing victory with about 55 percent of votes to 45 percent and hinted that he might respond by dismissing his unpopular prime minister.

Such a resounding defeat in a country that has been a key pillar of the EU reduced the chances of a repeat vote on the treaty, which is intended to make EU decision-making easier and requires the backing of all member states to go into force.

The Netherlands holds its own referendum on the EU constitution on Wednesday and Dutch ministers urged voters on Sunday to ignore the result in France. A Dutch "No" vote, as opinion polls forecast, would plunge the EU even deeper into crisis.

But Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker, whose country holds the EU's rotating president, said nearly half the 454 million EU citizens had already backed the charter and added: "The European process does not come to a halt today."

He said EU leaders would review the situation at their next regular summit on June 16-17, adding that it would be impossible to renegotiate the treaty.

CHIRAC PROMISES CHANGES

As a large crowd of flag-waving treaty opponents celebrated victory in Place de la Bastille in Paris, a major landmark of the 1789 French Revolution, Chirac dropped his heaviest hint so far that he plans to remove Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin.

"I intend to respond ... by giving a new and strong impetus to the action of the government," Chirac said in his address.

Many voters used the vote to punish the government over France's economy and high unemployment. Chirac, 72, ignored calls by some members of the "No" camp to step down.

The euro fell just over half a cent in early trading in Asia to 1.2516/19, down from 1.2573 in New York on Friday, despite already falling in recent weeks partly because of doubts about the fate of the constitution.

"The euro is the currency of Europe and investors are going to have worries about the future of economic policies in a zone where citizens cannot get a common view," said Chloe Magnier, an economist at French broker CM-CIC Securities.

Economists said the result could also hit the Turkish lira because it could be seen as a protest against Turkey's efforts to join the EU, would probably weigh on business sentiment in France and could slam the brakes on economic reforms there.

Many voters resent what they see as France's declining role in the Union, especially with the expansion to 25 members last year, and say the treaty enshrines economic policies that have failed to stop the loss of jobs to low-wage economies.

Britain's Straw declined to say whether London still planned to hold its own referendum next year.

"This raises profound questions for all of us about the future direction of Europe," Straw told reporters. "What we want now is a period of reflection."

"The referendum result is a blow for the constitutional process, but not the end of it," German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said. "It is also not the end of the German-French partnership in and for Europe."

Nine countries have approved the treaty, including Germany which alongside France drove creation of the post-World War II economic alliance that developed into the European Union.

If the constitution does not survive, the EU will continue to operate under its current rules. But the system is widely seen as unworkable for a Union intent on enlarging further, and decision-making could soon become paralyzed.

The constitution was signed by EU leaders last October in Rome after long and tough negotiations.
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Postby Zanchief » Mon May 30, 2005 10:24 am

I thought you all hated the French cause they had the foresight to not attack someone for made up reasons?
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Postby labbats » Mon May 30, 2005 1:12 pm

Isn't it a little late to start rejecting the EU after implementing the Euro to the monetary system?
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Postby Azlana » Mon May 30, 2005 1:44 pm

I never hated the French.
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Postby Eziekial » Mon May 30, 2005 5:06 pm

This is profound, really. If the French "No" vote has the ripple effect that many are predicting, the whole concept of the EU will need to be revised.
Personally, I'm very surprised at the outcome of the vote. I did not believe the French still held such a strong nationalistic mindset and had given in to the allure of a "common Europe". Perhaps the EU will look to create a more simple union based solely on trade rather than a politically united union. :dunno:
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Postby Diekan » Mon May 30, 2005 5:09 pm

Are they voting "no" because the genuinely disagree with the issue, are they voting no because they just don't like Chirac?

I didn't read the article.
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Postby Eziekial » Mon May 30, 2005 5:10 pm

Mixture of both I'd guess. Even in it's ignorance, the masses sometimes show remarkable foresight. :)
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Postby Yamori » Mon May 30, 2005 9:40 pm

If I were a European country I would want nothing to do with this EU thing. :-x
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Postby Lyion » Tue May 31, 2005 4:38 am

Azlana wrote:I never hated the French.


You hate America. This we know. :wink:
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Postby Harrison » Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:54 am

Zanchief wrote:I thought you all hated the French cause they had the foresight to not attack someone for made up reasons?


No, we hate the french for being whiny, double-dealing, lying sacks of shit.

(Chirac anyways, I'm not going to label the whole population over their turd of a "leader")
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Postby xaoshaen » Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:05 am

Harrison wrote:
Zanchief wrote:I thought you all hated the French cause they had the foresight to not attack someone for made up reasons?


No, we hate the french for being whiny, double-dealing, lying sacks of shit.

(Chirac anyways, I'm not going to label the whole population over their turd of a "leader")


So basically, you hate Chirac because he's a politician? What were you expecting?
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Postby Lyion » Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:16 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... erendum_13

Looks like the EU Referendum has cratered.

edit: fixed the link
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Postby Gidan » Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:20 pm

For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
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Postby Eziekial » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:13 pm

Wow! My respect for mankind has gone up a notch.
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