Ragnaros Strats

[Jazendar]

We tried him 4 times, and could only get him down to 70% and then his adds come. We tried grouping them up and AE'ing them, we tried the warriors tanking them and warlocks banishing them while the rogues and other dps split up in killing them individually. We tried lots of things, but nothing worked.

For me, being a rogue, I had roughly 190 fire resist, and we had the mt in the middle attaking, and then we had the dps on the other side of him..Well, i'd be attacking, and i'd turn off attack when he says his little line like instructed, then turn back on attack after our mt got aggro again, for some reason, I got flung into the air behind the wall into the lava all 3 times we were positioned at that spot. I spam'd feint, and backstab, other than that i didn't do anything. 1 of the times i vanish'd when our mt got flung back to make sure i didn't get aggro, and i still got flung...

Basically, i'm coming here asking for strats. I took demo's of all of our attempts, but, i'm a n00b, and don't know how to host links to .zip's and stuff. So pm me or post here with your email if you want to get an idea of how we did things. I'd really appreciate some feedback on this, we want to go for him again tomarrow. Help help help! ^_^

Thanks in Advance

[Mudcrush Durtfeet]

You have to be able to get him to 35-40% before sons to have a decent shot at winning.

Generally we give 10 greater fire resist potions to everyone in the raid - I as a rogue don't normally put on any fire resist gear - dps is more important imo.

[Arlos]

A lot of guilds are needing to do 2 waves of sons to beat him. We got him last night with only 1 wave, albeit with only about 15 seconds before the second wave was due, but our best previous attempt, where we wiped at 4%, we had shitloads of random crap go wrong (MT got blasted weird and had to run around the entire ring to get back, meaning 1+ minutes, a priest couldn't get out of some lava and died even though they were at 80% health when they went in, etc.) and we had 2 waves. Last night we only had 5 people dead when Rag dropped, so we could've handled the 2nd wave easy. That time we only had him to just below 50% before first sons, so don't hold fast to the 35-40% number.

We always, always, do at least 3 or 4 dry runs when we fight him where we use no potions. This helps us refine the fight and get everyone more experience without having to spend the mass amount of money on potions it takes to do a run. Once we're done with those, then we pile on the potions (basically, if it's useful, use it. Troll's blood, fortitude, giant strength, winterfall firewater, GREATER FIRE PROTECTION, Blasted Lands +50sta, Int or Agi quest potions, even try the Flasks of +2000 hp for the MTs or extra spell damage, etc.)

Dunno if you're horde or alliance, but if you're alliance make sure pallies are using Fire Resist aura, not armor aura, especialy for the sons, as ALL of their damage is fire-based. AEing them generally doesn't work, no way to hold aggro on all of them, and they inevitably go rape the mages, and then you're screwed once rag comes back. Your second option is best, especially if you add in fearing them, stunning them, etc.

Beyond that, practice, practice, practice.

-Arlos

[Mudcrush Durtfeet]

Well, we HAVE beaten the new Rag, we do AE sons.

Generally, if you get them two times, yer toast.

[Jazendar]

That is a shitload of dps....To get him to 35-40% before the first sons.How many rogues? We had 5ish last night if i remember right.

[Mudcrush Durtfeet]

The time we beat him (the most recent version) we had 5 rogues. Don't remember other numbers.

We ALWAYS get him below 50 percent (before first sons), even one run when we had just three rogues. He's rough now, that's for sure. We're at 13 losses and 1 win currently, two of those losses were at 1% and 6% (those sucked in particular).

[nibbon]

mud, what guild are you in?

[Tae-Bo]

we just beat him too, had 4 seconds left before 2nd set of sons spawned

got him to around 40% with 5 rogues when first set spawned

your tanks and melee definitely have to be paying attention now with the changes

[Arlos]

It is by no means impossible to beat him with 2 waves of sons. As I said, 3 nights ago, when we wiped at 4%, we had a TON of things go wrong during the fight, really random stuff, any one of which not having happened would have meant a win. Messy, but a win. Last night, we had maybe 15 seconds left before the 2nd set of sons, but we had almost no one dead, lots still with lots of mana, and would have done even better if some warlock hadn't have screwed up and banished the last remaning son from the first wave, meaning we had to wait 20 sec before we could kill it, so no one had the chance to maybe drop out of combat and drink, etc. If we'd gotten the 2nd wave of sons, we'd have almost certainly owned them just as fast, and gotten Rag when he popped back up.

Actually, many of the guilds that have killed the current incarnation are doing it with 2 waves of Son spawns. Getting him dead with only 1 wave of spawns is the exception, rather than the rule. The last version, sure, everyone beat him with only 1 wave, and there was at least 1 occasion where someone beat him before ANY waves spawned. That last is no longer possible, however, and beating him in 1 wave is MUCH harder to do.

If you really want to enhance DPS on him, mages are great, ASSUMING they are Ice spec. 30-31 arcane and 20-21 ice (depending on if you want Arcane Power or Ice Block) is fine, 30 ice 21 arcane (for POM) is better, but Fire spec especially, or even Arcane/Fire is basically useless against him, as he's totally immune to fire, and pretty resistant to arcane. Paladins (if you're alliance) need to make sure to keep ALL casters in Blessing of Wisdom and Blessing of Salvation, and all melee in Kings and Might. Use Blessing of Light a lot as well, as paladins for this fight mainly are spot healers, and BoL basically is almost a 30% efficiency improvement for all pally heals. Horde would, I assume, use mana totems and/or heal totems near caster groups, and Windfury near all melee groups.

Against this version, we won on our 3rd time encountering him. First time we spent most of 2 hours making dry runs, then 1 potion run, didn't get close. Second time, we spent just over an hour making dry runs, then did a partial potion run (no Flasks or Blasted Lands potions), then did a full potion run, and wiped a minute or so after the 2nd wave of sons, when Rag was at 4%. Last night we did 3 dry runs, then did our potion run, and stomped him flat. Pretty quick, I think to learn him and drop the new one. Especially since in none of the 4 kills pre-patch had we gotten any weapons off of him, and STILL haven't. 3 shields so far and 3 Crowns of Destruction, 2 or 3 of those stupid damage shield trinkets, but 0 weapons. Grrrrrr.

Oh, BTW, anyone else who's killed the new version: Did you get any of those Ragnaros Core blue rings with great FR but asstastic stats? We didn't get one this kill. How about you guys?

-Arlos

[Tacks]

We've only gotten to fight him one night since the patch because of Blizzard's wonderful lockout system. Next Monday will be our first try at him with using any potions at all. In our practice runs we got him to I think 54% so I think we'll probably get him next week, if not then the week after that. We're a bit behind the curve as far as raiding goes because we just dumped an entire guild from raiding with us. We're still far ahead of the other Horde guilds on the server so I'm sure we'll get him soon enough.

[Tae-Bo]

Oh, BTW, anyone else who's killed the new version: Did you get any of those Ragnaros Core blue rings with great FR but asstastic stats? We didn't get one this kill. How about you guys?

-Arlos

yeah we didn't either

[Jazendar]

Well, is there any pattern to him flinging people? I mean, i got flung like 3 out of the 4 times we tried him, and the only time i didn't get flung, was where we stood in another spot. I didn't have aggro, infact one time i vanished to make sure i didn't get aggro, and right after that i got flung. We turn off attack at the right time, and everything...

Basically we're trying to figure out a way to keep everyone alive before the first sons spawn, we lose 3/5 of our rogues before they even come. Which hurts when we don't have the dps to bring em down. We only had 2 out of 4 mages frost spec'd as well. We tried to have them all blizzard AE, and that didn't work, we split em up with the groups, that didn't work, we had all warriors tanking one, and banishing some, while the dps went to the same one and stuff....I don't know, what do you guys use?

[Jazendar]

And it's not keeping our tank alive that's hard, he's got over 12k hp. It's just the rogues and dps that keep dieing with light hp or dps, because of FR. Should we just use the dps gear and have the tanks tank the sons, that way the rogues aren't getting hit?

Lots of mixed questions and ideas, just trying to figure this out, we are going for him again in a few hours.

[TStorm]

We've only gotten to fight him one night since the patch because of Blizzard's wonderful lockout system. Next Monday will be our first try at him with using any potions at all. In our practice runs we got him to I think 54% so I think we'll probably get him next week, if not then the week after that. We're a bit behind the curve as far as raiding goes because we just dumped an entire guild from raiding with us. We're still far ahead of the other Horde guilds on the server so I'm sure we'll get him soon enough.

It could be worse. The last 4 times we've spawned Ragnaros the instance has crashed.

[Tacks]

Last time we spawned him the entire server crashed=P Luckily everything was still up when we logged back in (although we were dead).

And it's not keeping our tank alive that's hard, he's got over 12k hp

I call BS

[nibbon]

We're still far ahead of the other Horde guilds on the server so I'm sure we'll get him soon enough.

pfft you arent that far ahead of Ixtlan and you know it ;p

weve spawned ragnaros a couple times, although, we are taking some time to get more FR gear for our tanks.

[Tacks]

We aren't? I mean how exactly do you get further ahead when you've already beat the game?

Ixtlan had been 'trying' Onyxia for a month before we even entered her lair and we killed her a month before them.

We had spawned Ragnaros before Ixtlan even killed Gehennas...

So yeah I'd say that's a pretty far margain.

[nibbon]

We are both on ragnaros 2.0, neither of us have beat him. Ragnaros 1.0 was much easier, yes you beat things before us, but we are at the same point right now.

You beat onyxia one week, maybe two before us.

Lets not forget you did this with the help of another guild, ixtlan did this with all in the house people.

You are ahead of us yes, but now that you are by yourselves its not by that much.

[Tikker]

Last time we spawned him the entire server crashed=P Luckily everything was still up when we logged back in (although we were dead).

And it's not keeping our tank alive that's hard, he's got over 12k hp

I call BS

ditto



ps, finally catching up to trying the same mob as a guild, doesn't put you on even footing


the 1st guild will have weeks/months of gear drops on you

[Tae-Bo]

our guild leader has 12k with battle standard

[Tikker]

you will only be able to use those in BG tho...

[Arlos]

Sorry, Jaz, but I'm not going to give out specific strats and how-to's on where to stand, what to do, etc. Between what I and everyone else here has said already, should be a pretty gigantic set of hints on how to handle the encounter.

-Arlos

[Tae-Bo]

you will only be able to use those in BG tho...

no shit

[Mop]

have a warlock main tank.

[Tikker]

you will only be able to use those in BG tho...

no shit

well, any other useless non raiding tidbits you have for the raid strat thread?