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Postby Phlegm » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:36 pm

An interesting article from Erik Eckholm of the NY Times:

BALTIMORE — Black men in the United States face a far more dire situation than is portrayed by common employment and education statistics, a flurry of new scholarly studies warn, and it has worsened in recent years even as an economic boom and a welfare overhaul have brought gains to black women and other groups.

Curtis E. Brannon of Baltimore with Curtis Jr., one of the four children he has fathered with three mothers. "I was with the street life," Mr. Brannon said, "but now I feel like I've got to get myself together."

Plight Deepens for Black Men Focusing more closely than ever on the life patterns of young black men, the new studies, by experts at Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and other institutions, show that the huge pool of poorly educated black men are becoming ever more disconnected from the mainstream society, and to a far greater degree than comparable white or Hispanic men.

Especially in the country's inner cities, the studies show, finishing high school is the exception, legal work is scarcer than ever and prison is almost routine, with incarceration rates climbing for blacks even as urban crime rates have declined.

Although the problems afflicting poor black men have been known for decades, the new data paint a more extensive and sobering picture of the challenges they face.

"There's something very different happening with young black men, and it's something we can no longer ignore," said Ronald B. Mincy, professor of social work at Columbia University and editor of "Black Males Left Behind" (Urban Institute Press, 2006).

"Over the last two decades, the economy did great," Mr. Mincy said, "and low-skilled women, helped by public policy, latched onto it. But young black men were falling farther back."

Many of the new studies go beyond the traditional approaches to looking at the plight of black men, especially when it comes to determining the scope of joblessness. For example, official unemployment rates can be misleading because they do not include those not seeking work or incarcerated.

"If you look at the numbers, the 1990's was a bad decade for young black men, even though it had the best labor market in 30 years," said Harry J. Holzer, an economist at Georgetown University and co-author, with Peter Edelman and Paul Offner, of "Reconnecting Disadvantaged Young Men" (Urban Institute Press, 2006).

In response to the worsening situation for young black men, a growing number of programs are placing as much importance on teaching life skills — like parenting, conflict resolution and character building — as they are on teaching job skills.

These were among the recent findings:

¶The share of young black men without jobs has climbed relentlessly, with only a slight pause during the economic peak of the late 1990's. In 2000, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20's were jobless — that is, unable to find work, not seeking it or incarcerated. By 2004, the share had grown to 72 percent, compared with 34 percent of white and 19 percent of Hispanic dropouts. Even when high school graduates were included, half of black men in their 20's were jobless in 2004, up from 46 percent in 2000.

¶Incarceration rates climbed in the 1990's and reached historic highs in the past few years. In 1995, 16 percent of black men in their 20's who did not attend college were in jail or prison; by 2004, 21 percent were incarcerated. By their mid-30's, 6 in 10 black men who had dropped out of school had spent time in prison.

¶In the inner cities, more than half of all black men do not finish high school.

None of the litany of problems that young black men face was news to a group of men from the airless neighborhoods of Baltimore who recently described their experiences.

One of them, Curtis E. Brannon, told a story so commonplace it hardly bears notice here. He quit school in 10th grade to sell drugs, fathered four children with three mothers, and spent several stretches in jail for drug possession, parole violations and other crimes.

"I was with the street life, but now I feel like I've got to get myself together," Mr. Brannon said recently in the row-house flat he shares with his girlfriend and four children. "You get tired of incarceration."

Mr. Brannon, 28, said he planned to look for work, perhaps as a mover, and he noted optimistically that he had not been locked up in six months.

A group of men, including Mr. Brannon, gathered at the Center for Fathers, Families and Workforce Development, one of several private agencies trying to help men build character along with workplace skills.

The clients readily admit to their own bad choices but say they also fight a pervasive sense of hopelessness.

"It hurts to get that boot in the face all the time," said Steve Diggs, 34. "I've had a lot of charges but only a few convictions," he said of his criminal record.

Mr. Diggs is now trying to strike out on his own, developing a party space for rentals, but he needs help with business skills.

"I don't understand," said William Baker, 47. "If a man wants to change, why won't society give him a chance to prove he's a changed person?" Mr. Baker has a lot of record to overcome, he admits, not least his recent 15-year stay in the state penitentiary for armed robbery.

Mr. Baker led a visitor down the Pennsylvania Avenue strip he wants to escape — past idlers, addicts and hustlers, storefront churches and fortresslike liquor stores — and described a life that seemed inevitable.

He sold marijuana for his parents, he said, left school in the sixth grade and later dealt heroin and cocaine. He was for decades addicted to heroin, he said, easily keeping the habit during three terms in prison. But during his last long stay, he also studied hard to get a G.E.D. and an associate's degree.

Now out for 18 months, Mr. Baker is living in a home for recovering drug addicts. He is working a $10-an-hour warehouse job while he ponders how to make a living from his real passion, drawing and graphic arts.

"I don't want to be a criminal at 50," Mr. Baker said.

According to census data, there are about five million black men ages 20 to 39 in the United States.

Terrible schools, absent parents, racism, the decline in blue collar jobs and a subculture that glorifies swagger over work have all been cited as causes of the deepening ruin of black youths. Scholars — and the young men themselves — agree that all of these issues must be addressed.

Joseph T. Jones, director of the fatherhood and work skills center here, puts the breakdown of families at the core.

"Many of these men grew up fatherless, and they never had good role models," said Mr. Jones, who overcame addiction and prison time. "No one around them knows how to navigate the mainstream society."

All the negative trends are associated with poor schooling, studies have shown, and progress has been slight in recent years. Federal data tend to understate dropout rates among the poor, in part because imprisoned youths are not counted.

Closer studies reveal that in inner cities across the country, more than half of all black men still do not finish high school, said Gary Orfield, an education expert at Harvard and editor of "Dropouts in America" (Harvard Education Press, 2004).

"We're pumping out boys with no honest alternative," Mr. Orfield said in an interview, "and of course their neighborhoods offer many other alternatives."

Dropout rates for Hispanic youths are as bad or worse but are not associated with nearly as much unemployment or crime, the data show.

With the shift from factory jobs, unskilled workers of all races have lost ground, but none more so than blacks. By 2004, 50 percent of black men in their 20's who lacked a college education were jobless, as were 72 percent of high school dropouts, according to data compiled by Bruce Western, a sociologist at Princeton and author of the forthcoming book "Punishment and Inequality in America" (Russell Sage Press). These are more than double the rates for white and Hispanic men.

Mr. Holzer of Georgetown and his co-authors cite two factors that have curbed black employment in particular.

First, the high rate of incarceration and attendant flood of former offenders into neighborhoods have become major impediments. Men with criminal records tend to be shunned by employers, and young blacks with clean records suffer by association, studies have found.

Arrests of black men climbed steeply during the crack epidemic of the 1980's, but since then the political shift toward harsher punishments, more than any trends in crime, has accounted for the continued growth in the prison population, Mr. Western said.

By their mid-30's, 30 percent of black men with no more than a high school education have served time in prison, and 60 percent of dropouts have, Mr. Western said.

Among black dropouts in their late 20's, more are in prison on a given day — 34 percent — than are working — 30 percent — according to an analysis of 2000 census data by Steven Raphael of the University of California, Berkeley.

The second special factor is related to an otherwise successful policy: the stricter enforcement of child support. Improved collection of money from absent fathers has been a pillar of welfare overhaul. But the system can leave young men feeling overwhelmed with debt and deter them from seeking legal work, since a large share of any earnings could be seized.

About half of all black men in their late 20's and early 30's who did not go to college are noncustodial fathers, according to Mr. Holzer. From the fathers' viewpoint, support obligations "amount to a tax on earnings," he said.

Some fathers give up, while others find casual work. "The work is sporadic, not the kind that leads to advancement or provides unemployment insurance," Mr. Holzer said. "It's nothing like having a real job."

The recent studies identified a range of government programs and experiments, especially education and training efforts like the Job Corps, that had shown success and could be scaled up.

Scholars call for intensive new efforts to give children a better start, including support for parents and extra schooling for children.

They call for teaching skills to prisoners and helping them re-enter society more productively, and for less automatic incarceration of minor offenders.

In a society where higher education is vital to economic success, Mr. Mincy of Columbia said, programs to help more men enter and succeed in college may hold promise. But he lamented the dearth of policies and resources to aid single men.

"We spent $50 billion in efforts that produced the turnaround for poor women," Mr. Mincy said. "We are not even beginning to think about the men's problem on similar orders of magnitude."
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Postby Lyion » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:07 pm

This is a travesty, and yet at the same time how does one change the culture of a subgroup?
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Postby Captain Insano » Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:48 pm

I couldn't help but love that article.

Fuck them all. They are getting exactly what their culture deservers, so pop another 50 cent cd back in the boombox and get back to the corner with dat crack rock homeboy!

The minute it becomes cool to not be a loser black people might actually get somewhere in life.
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Postby Lyion » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:49 pm

Most of 50 Cents fans are suburban white dudes.

While Hip Hop/Rap doesn't help, it certainly isn't the root of the problem.
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Postby Aatrex » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:09 pm

Those statistics are outrageous.

But yeah, how do you fix the problem of social breakdown? Viscious cycle for true.
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Postby Harrison » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:13 pm

and he noted optimistically that he had not been locked up in six months.


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Postby Captain Insano » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:41 pm

I say put them all in prison when they are born and let them out for good behavior.

Would save us all a lot of trouble.
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Postby Tikker » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:33 pm

it's almost like certain people suck at life
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Postby Captain Insano » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:16 pm

the cool thing is that black people have pissed off all the motivated white capitalist types like myself and won't get a fucking handout as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather just build another jail at this point.
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Postby Diekan » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:41 pm

Hey the tools are there, they just refuse to use them. It's more cool to work toward being a "baller" or a rapper than it is to get an education and make something of yourself. Fuck em. They've had practically everything imaginable thrown their way in terms of assistance - and what have they done with it? Nothing.

It is not my, nor the government's job to ensure these people make something of themselves or strive to be productive citizens.
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Postby Jay » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:39 am

Diekan wrote:Hey the tools are there, they just refuse to use them. It's more cool to work toward being a "baller" or a rapper than it is to get an education and make something of yourself. Fuck em. They've had practically everything imaginable thrown their way in terms of assistance - and what have they done with it? Nothing.

It is not my, nor the government's job to ensure these people make something of themselves or strive to be productive citizens.


And a lot of "those people" don't know what tools are out there. It's not obvious to some people that the tools are there. To some, being a baller or a rapper is the only way to get out of their situation, because they don't know what else to do. Social inequities cause those problems. It's not as cut and dry as "Oh, they had the resources, but they decided to go risk their lives to do stupid shit. Fuck em.".
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Postby Captain Insano » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:03 am

Bullshit... these guys know exactly what to do.... They just don't do it. They would rather act hard and be a fucking cool guy than go get a job....not to mention most of em are too stupid to master the art of working a rubber so they breed future criminals in huge quantities.

Until the black man starts admitting they are totally fucked up and it's their fault then I'm gonna continue giving two shits and a fuck about their people. Mayor Nagin and Al Sharpton have pretty much ensured I will not give a fuck for a long time.
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Postby KaiineTN » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:41 am

One of my best friends from childhood is half black, and it amazes me sometimes how much he seems to lose himself in the whole culture portrayed on television.. He sees a successful black man, and what is he doing? Rapping, acting badass, wearing certain clothes a certain way, etc.. And my friend just goes out and copies everything...

It's as if he assumes it's easier to live a successful life from trying to follow in the footsteps of idolized musicians (most of which of course openly admit their early roots of coming from the "hood" and being involved with drug dealing etc) than being successful through hard work, determination, and perseverance... So, of course, that's what my friend is out there trying to do.

He's always talking big too, about connections and big deals and big money coming his way... But not once have I seen evidence of anything. For God sakes this man's father has been very successful in real estate.. (15+ million net worth my estimates) And he has offered to help his own son get into the business, and STILL he just sits around talking about drugs and obsessing over hip hop culture. Even his own (black) father gave up on trying to get him to make something with his life.. and so have I.

One other thing that bugs me about him is that he seems to have little to no ethical or moral standards.. He'll steal, cheat, and lie his way to getting what he wants. It's all depressing to me because he wasn't always like that.. And I don't even really think he's like that now. I know he's better than what he portrays himself as. I've known this kid since 4th grade, and he really does have the potential to be so much better..
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Postby Tikker » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:04 am

Erodalak wrote:
And a lot of "those people" don't know what tools are out there. It's not obvious to some people that the tools are there. To some, being a baller or a rapper is the only way to get out of their situation, because they don't know what else to do. Social inequities cause those problems. It's not as cut and dry as "Oh, they had the resources, but they decided to go risk their lives to do stupid shit. Fuck em.".



that's a fucking cop out and you know it
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Postby Jay » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:38 pm

For some people yeah. It's not a cut and dry one way or another situation. Some people do see the tools right in front of them and ignore them to pursue stupid shit while others are in the situation I described. There's no one answer to why a large mass of people befall tragic statistics like that. Social inequity is to blame for some. You think white people would be the same way were the roles reversed?

For me, I grew up in West Oakland. I know what situations "those people" are put through. There's no incentive to get an education or do better because soon as a nigga talks about getting ahead in life legitimately he gets shot down either by his friends or by the school system or family shitting on him and telling him to work shifts at the factory to help pay rent or drug habits. It's difficult to get ahead depending on your social setting.

I agree though, it's not a surprise that those statistics exist because a lot of people see how rappers and NBA players did the same stupid shit and are now millionaires and they think that getting a real job or real education isn't worth it when they can roll on 22 momo's just by tossing a ball into a hoop. Ask yourself, do you really think every nigga looks at the odds of getting a record deal or getting picked to go to the NBA and decide, "fuck it, I'm gonna give up all my chances at getting a real decent paying job and education and just go for it."?
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Postby Captain Insano » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:43 pm

Oh wow so what you are saying is that if you are black and get a crappy public education, have stupid friends and a poor family upbringing you have NO choice but to rap or slang crack?

Oh fucking save it clownshoes.

My family didn't have money growing up, was dysfunctional at times, I went to shitty schools like everyone else and my friends were complete losers (fun to hang out with) and I overcame it.

Thats bullshit. If someone wants to put that life behind them its fucking simple. Get a 40 hour a week job at walmart and put yourself through community college for starters. It's not going to be pretty, it won't be fun and it certainly will not be glamorous, but you will eventually get ahead with enough hard work.

Black men are lazy and stupid. That is why they are currently fucked up. There is no other reason. You can take that hippie propaganda and GTFO
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Postby Sorina S » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:55 pm

For such a self styled inteligent group of people you really do say alot of ignorant shit sometimes.Yeah black people, in particular black males get discriminated against in this (yes the US of A) society. Well blame that all of that on the black folk.

We simply do not live in the society that the constitution mandates. It doesn't matter what your place is, the rich black rapper who won the oscar is still just a homeboi N!gger next to Brad Pitt. The sadness is we refuse to move toward a different America.

You resent it, you deny that people of color got you where you are today and you don't have the foresight to realise that they will be the ones that support you when all else fails.

You change the culture of the subgroup by changing the culture of the whole group. You stop making war, you manage the educational system, you bring healthcare to every American, no matter how black they are and you change our society.

We can have a different America. It's not so bold to think it, if we can wage war at a moments notice, don't you think we can wage civility in our own country just as quick?

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Postby mofish » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:07 pm

The responsibility to change, when all is tallied and said and done, is yours and yours alone.

And, while I still see injustice in our society, I also realize utopia isnt happening. There are plenty of avenues away from what you are, plenty of ways to metamorphose yourself into something different. Blame gangster culture, blame bad parents, blame inequality, blame jails, blame crack. On your deathbed, the only thing left to blame will be YOURSELF.

Did I ever ask myseld 'Hmm, this job, going to college, these things arent punk rock/heavy metal enough. My image will suffer. Fucke that, Im gonna rob liquor stores instead.' Nope, I sure didnt.

So why cant black men do the same with their self-destructive media/culture?
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Postby Sorina S » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:18 pm

mofish wrote:The responsibility to change, when all is tallied and said and done, is yours and yours and yours alone


I agree with this ten thousand percent. So where do we fall short as a society? Why is it that black men don't fill the rosters of colleges in aggregate numbers? Why is it? Hell why are we even talking about this?

Our educational system blows chunks. Our healthcare system sucks the fat wad. This country, the richest, most prospierous on the face of the planet doesn't give a fuck about the people that live in it.

You're right, the responsibility to change, is ours, and ours alone. I'm on it, are you?
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Postby Captain Insano » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:57 am

You don't get it Sorina....This country is tired of giving a fuck about black people. They are a lost cause and deep down most whites and asians and even latinos know it.

Let em rot..
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Postby labbats » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:14 pm

If blacks had the work ethic of latinos, there wouldn't be a problem and my taxes would be a lot less.

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