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[Lyion]

Please tell me what guilds you were in during your heyday, and which same expansion content you raided?

I raid with TFS on Blackhand right now for WOW. I raided with FOW, Sanctuary, Euphoria, and Blades of Wrath on Torv in EQ.

Snero has been on cutting edge EQ content since day 1, so pretty much trumps anyone.

Back on tangent.. Older EQ raids were more dangerous and raiding was HARDER. WOW is less dangerous, since the death penalties and wipeouts are not as much a problem as they were in early EQ.

In regards to new EQ content, you might want to listen to Snero, since he knows it. It's like comparing a 03 car with an 06 car.. It's really not a good comparison.

[Zanchief]

But death penalties in the end game in WoW are just as severe as EQ. I'll admit the minimal repair cost in the early lvls is negligible, but at max lvl I'd rather lose a little exp than payout a huge repair bill every single raid.

[Snero]

eq has dummed down the game to the point where a raid will cost a fraction of what they used to, theres no denying that. Previously guilds would spend a fortune in gems, and then if there was a wipe, another pile of plat in coffins (not even mentionning the fear raids where people could lose entire levels or in some cases their corpses).

Now that threat isn't there, if you wipe in eq you can summon your corpse in the guild lobby and you're done. Right now, EQ has even less of a penalty then wow does for dying which is retarded (imo)

[Agrajag]

Please tell me what guilds you were in during your heyday, and which same expansion content you raided?

I raid with TFS on Blackhand right now for WOW. I raided with FOW, Sanctuary, Euphoria, and Blades of Wrath on Torv in EQ.

Snero has been on cutting edge EQ content since day 1, so pretty much trumps anyone.

Back on tangent.. Older EQ raids were more dangerous and raiding was HARDER. WOW is less dangerous, since the death penalties and wipeouts are not as much a problem as they were in early EQ.

In regards to new EQ content, you might want to listen to Snero, since he knows it. It's like comparing a 03 car with an 06 car.. It's really not a good comparison.

You keep going back to the whole "death penalties" thing. Dying is more costly in WoW than in EQ. It may be more convenient to retrieve your corpse in WoW in the aspect of getting to it. But, it is still far more of an inconvenience to start a raid boss over after wiping in WoW.

As for the guilds I was in, I actually don't remember the names. I don't think that would prove anything since I openly raided (and killed) all of the "Gods" in PoP with top ranked guilds. That is the last expansion I had the misfortune to buy.

Now, my question to you is this... What guilds were/ are you in in WoW that give you the knowledge to compare the end bosses of WoW to EQ trash?

I am currently in Insomnia on Dethecus. I have been involved in kills of C'Thun with Choas Thoery, Nurfed and SHARKS WITH LASERS PEW PEW. Insomnia is currently on Firemaw. We have MC and ZG on farm. Ragnaros goes down 2 minutes after sons.

[Naethyn]

Repair bots took away any fears I had. And money is nothing.

[Agrajag]

Haha! I forgot about the new EQ graveyards to get rotting corpses. And I didn't know about the guild lobbies. Looks like lyion's theory of difficulty in corpse retrieval is going to hell in a handbasket! And a rez removes most of the exp loss form your death. Money Loss > Minimal Exp Loss

[Lyion]

But death penalties in the end game in WoW are just as severe as EQ. I'll admit the minimal repair cost in the early lvls is negligible, but at max lvl I'd rather lose a little exp than payout a huge repair bill every single raid.

Funny, I remember nonstop large amounts of swearing during a few early raids when you thought you were going to lose your corpse, Zan. You have a selective memory.

The death penalties in EQ, once it was dumbed down, were light. Early on they were extreme and made raiding tough. A wipeout in EQ early on was a huge deal. It simply never is a big deal in WOW from my experiences. There is a penalty, but no fear of death, like we had during those early Kunark raids when you knew you'd have to get your corpse back.

Ag, you are bizarrely cherry picking things. You want to compare 03 EQ non current expansion raiding versus 06 WOW raiding. You ignore the simple truths about early same expansion raiding which was monumentally more difficult, but since you didn't do it in 00, 01, etc you have no clue, back in the days when you could and did lose corpses.

[Snero]

actually it doesn't because lyion said early eq, and in early eq it was a huge pain if you died in a bad spot

if you want to compare current eq with current wow though, yes eq has turned cr or dying into a joke, you pay a little plat, get summoned and rezed and you're off and running 2 mins after dying easy

[Zanchief]

But death penalties in the end game in WoW are just as severe as EQ. I'll admit the minimal repair cost in the early lvls is negligible, but at max lvl I'd rather lose a little exp than payout a huge repair bill every single raid.

Funny, I remember nonstop large amounts of swearing during a few early raids when you thought you were going to lose your corpse, Zan. You have a selective memory.

Nah, not from me. I didn't really care about my loot since it stunk pretty bad.

[Tikker]

As for the guilds I was in, I actually don't remember the names. I don't think that would prove anything since I openly raided (and killed) all of the "Gods" in PoP with top ranked guilds. That is the last expansion I had the misfortune to buy.

on nameless? unless you were in PoN(you sure weren't in LoS) you didn't kill PoP gods until long after PoTime was farming zone with safeshouse strats

[Lyion]

Please tell me what guilds you were in during your heyday, and which same expansion content you raided?

I raid with TFS on Blackhand right now for WOW. I raided with FOW, Sanctuary, Euphoria, and Blades of Wrath on Torv in EQ.

Snero has been on cutting edge EQ content since day 1, so pretty much trumps anyone.

Back on tangent.. Older EQ raids were more dangerous and raiding was HARDER. WOW is less dangerous, since the death penalties and wipeouts are not as much a problem as they were in early EQ.

In regards to new EQ content, you might want to listen to Snero, since he knows it. It's like comparing a 03 car with an 06 car.. It's really not a good comparison.

As for the guilds I was in, I actually don't remember the names. I don't think that would prove anything since I openly raided (and killed) all of the "Gods" in PoP with top ranked guilds. That is the last expansion I had the misfortune to buy.

Now, my question to you is this... What guilds were/ are you in in WoW that give you the knowledge to compare the end bosses of WoW to EQ trash?

I am currently in Insomnia on Dethecus. I have been involved in kills of C'Thun with Choas Thoery, Nurfed and SHARKS WITH LASERS PEW PEW. Insomnia is currently on Firemaw. We have MC and ZG on farm. Ragnaros goes down 2 minutes after sons.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

You were in no name worthless guilds that never experienced same expansion content, not to mention nobody knows you from the early days, so you have no real basis for comparison to early EQ.

On the other side, ironically, my WOW guild is also farther along raiding than yours. Comic gold.

Let's recap: You weren't around in early EQ. You weren't around in late EQ. You sucked at EQ. You seem to want to present opinions about these two time frames by basis of comparison to WOW raiding now. You can't because you are as out of your element as Forrest Gump at an MIT conference on mathematics.

That pretty much covers it. Please drive through.

[Harrison]

No one here knows Agrafag from EQ, he must have been killing PoP mobs LONG after we all quit.

EQ death penalty is a JOKE now, back then though it was fucking scary sometimes.

And if you can't remember your guild's name from a mere 2-3 years ago in which you were killing pretty difficult encounters, you're a fucking liar (or killed them last year like a noob).

[Agrajag]

You were in no name worthless guilds that never experienced same expansion content, not to mention nobody knows you from the early days, so you have no real basis for comparison to early EQ.

On the other side, ironically, my WOW guild is also farther along raiding than yours. Comic gold.

Let's recap: You weren't around in early EQ. You weren't around in late EQ. You sucked at EQ. You seem to want to present opinions about these two time frames by basis of comparison to WOW raiding now. You can't because you are as out of your element as Forrest Gump at an MIT conference on mathematics.

That pretty much covers it. Please drive through.

The holier than thou bit is getting old. I was playing EQ since Jan 2000 until Nov 2004. I had lots of high level (for the current expansion) raiding exp. Not one of them required as much strat as any low level boss in WoW.

As for the WoW portion. I don't believe you have much, if any, high level experience in WoW or that you are in any noteworthy guild. Put up or STFU.

P.S. Why would you claim to own in EQ when its going down the toilet anyway. EQ is like the special olympics of MMORGs. You might be a winner there, but you're still a frigging retard.

[Zanchief]

The threat of dying was really bad when you were solo and bound far from your corpse. That was like, evil.

I remember when I was like lvl 35 and fighting Ogres in West Karanas was it? I bound to close to the pull and got in a death loop. Died like 5 times and lost a full lvl of exp. That was sucky.

[Snero]

well, unless you were raiding on another server, you were killing the named with more aa/levels then it was originally intended. That sort of advantage allows you to pretty much beat down mobs that took a lot more thought when it was cutting edge content. To put it in WoW terms, you were doing uldaman with a group of level 60s. So we're back to your argument of comparing current wow end game raiding to 2003 eq end game raiding, which is completely invalid.

[Agrajag]

No one here knows Agrafag from EQ, he must have been killing PoP mobs LONG after we all quit.

EQ death penalty is a JOKE now, back then though it was fucking scary sometimes.

And if you can't remember your guild's name from a mere 2-3 years ago in which you were killing pretty difficult encounters, you're a fucking liar (or killed them last year like a noob).

Whats really ironic is I don't remember you, either. So, you must not have been a big deal. I wasn't a professional MMORG player. I didn't spend every waking moment on the computer like most of you. I had a job, unlike you. I had a girlfriend, unlike you. I had my own house, unlike you.

Whatever you may want to believe, go ahead. You people like to think you were the Gods of EQ, 3 years ago. You also like to think that if you weren't in a big guild, you weren't crap. Too bad for you that there were more than a few people out there that did experience the end game content of that time that weren't in LOS. And if all you have in life to make you feel like you accomplished something is that you were in an end game guild, you can keep it.

And I don't remember my guild from 3 years ago because it wasn't as important to me as it was to you. Hell, I don't remember what guild I was in when I first started playing on my current server in WoW. And I was in that guild for a year!

[Snero]

for somebody who was just bragging about his wow accomplishments, you sure turned the corner quickly on people who are part of big guilds. It appears you were the only person who could manage raiding and holding down a job?

[Harrison]

Whats really ironic is I don't remember you, either. So, you must not have been a big deal. I wasn't a professional MMORG player. I didn't spend every waking moment on the computer like most of you. I had a job, unlike you. I had a girlfriend, unlike you. I had my own house, unlike you.

Whatever you may want to believe, go ahead. You people like to think you were the Gods of EQ, 3 years ago. You also like to think that if you weren't in a big guild, you weren't crap. Too bad for you that there were more than a few people out there that did experience the end game content of that time that weren't in LOS. And if all you have in life to make you feel like you accomplished something is that you were in an end game guild, you can keep it.

And I don't remember my guild from 3 years ago because it wasn't as important to me as it was to you. Hell, I don't remember what guild I was in when I first started playing on my current server in WoW. And I was in that guild for a year!

Maybe because I quit when you likely started playing AT ALL. Get off your high horse, we all had lives outside the game. (barring Mudcrush/Rust)

Just stop the lie now.

[Gidan]

Shit that death penalty back in the day sucked. Especially when you had idiots who always seemed to be in a spot that they lost their level on death. Really was irritating going into a raid with all level 60's and at the end 1/2 your healers were 59.

Anyway comparing wow raiding to eq raiding is comparing apples to oranges. There are just so many differences in the game. They were just designed off a different set of rules. Think about eq raiding for a bit, battle rezing. How many encounters did you have your MT go down and at the end of the fight he was tanking again. My raiding experience realy ended in GoD but I still fights in Tacvi where we rezed the MT a couple times. I will admit the battles were getting more interesting then just having a Healing rotation on a tank and everyone just beating on it till its dead. Look at wow raids now, you more or less have 40 people to take down the mob while in EQ you more or less had an unlimited number of people to take it down. You were also looking at raids up to 72 people (with exceptions later on).

Anyway, enough rambling. EQ and WoW are completely different games on a different set of rules. You cant really compare raiding between them.

[Insanityfair]

No one here knows Agrafag from EQ, he must have been killing PoP mobs LONG after we all quit.

EQ death penalty is a JOKE now, back then though it was fucking scary sometimes.

And if you can't remember your guild's name from a mere 2-3 years ago in which you were killing pretty difficult encounters, you're a fucking liar (or killed them last year like a noob).

Whats really ironic is I don't remember you, either. So, you must not have been a big deal. I wasn't a professional MMORG player. I didn't spend every waking moment on the computer like most of you. I had a job, unlike you. I had a girlfriend, unlike you. I had my own house, unlike you.

Whatever you may want to believe, go ahead. You people like to think you were the Gods of EQ, 3 years ago. You also like to think that if you weren't in a big guild, you weren't crap. Too bad for you that there were more than a few people out there that did experience the end game content of that time that weren't in LOS. And if all you have in life to make you feel like you accomplished something is that you were in an end game guild, you can keep it.

And I don't remember my guild from 3 years ago because it wasn't as important to me as it was to you. Hell, I don't remember what guild I was in when I first started playing on my current server in WoW. And I was in that guild for a year!

I remember seeing you in the nameless guild on whisperwind for awhile, talked to you a few times if I recall. Not trying to start shit, just saying I remember you from WoW at anyrate.

[vonkaar]

This thread is comedy fucking gold.

Imagine 6 nerds at a Star Trek convention arguing about who's the biggest fan... been a fan the longest, has the most experience as a fan... can speak with the most authority...

but, but... I have the official Leonard Nimoy prosthetic ears from episode 62! You only have a replica phaser! My 3-year old nephew has one of those, freaking newb! Roflz! Get out of here newb!!

Seriously... go back and read this thread as if you knew nothing about MMOs... as if all of these buzzwords meant nothing... it's fucking hilarious. OOH... THE ANGER!!

[Agrajag]

This thread is comedy fucking gold.

Imagine 6 nerds at a Star Trek convention arguing about who's the biggest fan... been a fan the longest, has the most experience as a fan... can speak with the most authority...

but, but... I have the official Leonard Nimoy prosthetic ears from episode 62! You only have a replica phaser! My 3-year old nephew has one of those, freaking newb! Roflz! Get out of here newb!!

Seriously... go back and read this thread as if you knew nothing about MMOs... as if all of these buzzwords meant nothing... it's fucking hilarious. OOH... THE ANGER!!

I feel ashamed...

[Agrajag]

I remember seeing you in the nameless guild on whisperwind for awhile, talked to you a few times if I recall. Not trying to start shit, just saying I remember you from WoW at anyrate.

I still have a 59 hunter on that server. Unguilded, though. I play him rarely if ever. I moved to a PvP server. There was more excitement there before the BGs came out.

[Zanchief]

This thread is comedy fucking gold.

Imagine 6 nerds at a Star Trek convention arguing about who's the biggest fan... been a fan the longest, has the most experience as a fan... can speak with the most authority...

but, but... I have the official Leonard Nimoy prosthetic ears from episode 62! You only have a replica phaser! My 3-year old nephew has one of those, freaking newb! Roflz! Get out of here newb!!

Seriously... go back and read this thread as if you knew nothing about MMOs... as if all of these buzzwords meant nothing... it's fucking hilarious. OOH... THE ANGER!!

It's funny cause I'm just getting back into TNG harcore. I watch like 2 episodes a day on spike and I haven't seen a single episode in like 10 years. I keep trying to get my girlfriend to watch but she thinks I'm a nerd. She said she'd only watch episodes with Wil Wheton in them. I think it's a Toy Soldiers thing.

[Lyion]

This thread is comedy fucking gold.

Imagine 6 nerds at a Star Trek convention arguing about who's the biggest fan... been a fan the longest, has the most experience as a fan... can speak with the most authority...

but, but... I have the official Leonard Nimoy prosthetic ears from episode 62! You only have a replica phaser! My 3-year old nephew has one of those, freaking newb! Roflz! Get out of here newb!!

Seriously... go back and read this thread as if you knew nothing about MMOs... as if all of these buzzwords meant nothing... it's fucking hilarious. OOH... THE ANGER!!

I think it's time to bump the Euphoria/Vonkaar thread again.