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Postby The Kizzy » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:27 pm

Advocates who say black Americans should be compensated for slavery and its Jim Crow aftermath are quietly chalking up victories and gaining momentum.


Fueled by the work of scholars and lawyers, their campaign has morphed in recent years from a fringe-group rallying cry into sophisticated, mainstream movement. Most recently, a pair of churches apologized for their part in the slave trade, and one is studying ways to repay black church members.

The overall issue is hardly settled, even among black Americans: Some say that focusing on slavery shouldn't be a top priority or that it doesn't make sense to compensate people generations after a historical wrong.

Yet reparations efforts have led a number of cities and states to approve measures that force businesses to publicize their historical ties to slavery. Several reparations court cases are in progress, and international human rights officials are increasingly spotlighting the issue.

"This matter is growing in significance rather than declining," said Charles Ogletree, a Harvard law professor and a leading reparations activist. "It has more vigor and vitality in the 21st century than it's had in the history of the reparations movement."

The most recent victories for reparations advocates came in June, when the Moravian Church and the Episcopal Church both apologized for owning slaves and promised to battle current racism. The Episcopalians also launched a national, yearslong probe into church slavery links and into whether the church should compensate black members. A white church member, Katrina Browne, also screened a documentary focusing on white culpability at the denomination's national assembly.

The Episcopalians debated slavery and reparations for years before reaching an agreement, said Jayne Oasin, social justice officer for the denomination, who will oversee its work on the issue.

Historically, slavery was an uncomfortable topic for the church. Some Episcopal bishops owned slaves — and the Bible was used to justify the practice, Oasin said.

"Why not (take these steps) 100 years ago?" she said. "Let's talk about the complicity of the Episcopal Church as one of the institutions of this country who, of course, benefited from slavery."

Also in June, a North Carolina commission urged the state government to repay the descendants of victims of a violent 1898 campaign by white supremacists to strip blacks of power in Wilmington, N.C. As many as 60 blacks died, and thousands were driven from the city.

The commission also recommended state-funded programs to support local black businesses and home ownership.

The report came weeks after the Organization of American States requested information from the U.S. government about a 1921 race riot in Tulsa, Okla., in which 1,200 homes were burned and as many as 300 blacks killed. An OAS official said the group might pursue the issue as a violation of international human rights.

The modern reparations movement revived an idea that's been around since emancipation, when black leaders argued that newly freed slaves deserved compensation.

About six years ago, the issue started gaining momentum again. Randall Robinson's "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks," was a best seller; reparations became a central issue at the World Conference on Racism in Durban, South Africa; and California legislators passed the nation's first law forcing insurance companies that do business with the state to disclose their slavery ties. Illinois passed a similar insurance law in 2003, and the next year Iowa legislators began requesting — but not forcing — the same disclosures.

Several cities — including Chicago, Detroit and Oakland — have laws requiring that all businesses make such disclosures.

Reparations opponents insist that no living American should have to pay for a practice that ended more than 140 years ago. Plus, programs such as affirmative action and welfare already have compensated for past injustices, said John H. McWhorter, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute.

"The reparations movement is based on a fallacy that cripples the thinking on race — the fallacy that what ails black America is a cash problem," said McWhorter, who is black. "Giving people money will not solve the problems that we have."

Even so, support is reaching beyond African-Americans and the South.

Katrina Browne, the white Episcopalian filmmaker, is finishing a documentary about her ancestors, the DeWolfs of Bristol, R.I., the biggest slave-trading family in U.S. history. She screened it for Episcopal Church officials at the June convention.

"Traces of the Trade: A Story From the Deep North," details how the economies of the Northeast and the nation as a whole depended on slaves.

"A lot of white people think they know everything there is to know about slavery — we all agree it was wrong and that's enough," Browne said. "But this was the foundation of our country, not some Southern anomaly. We all inherit responsibility."

She says neither whites nor blacks will heal from slavery until formal hearings expose the full history of slavery and its effects — an effort similar to South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission after apartheid collapsed.


I hope in 140 years my descendants are given reperations because noone cuold get a decent job after affirmative action. This is ridiculous. This happened way before my grandparents time. Why should I have to pay? I had nothing to do with it. What about the Indians whose land was stolen and forced to go live on reservations? What about the Chinese who were enslaved and forced to work on the railroads? What about women who were forced to stay in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant? SHould all of these groups been given reperation? What about children who come from mixed marriages. They should only get 1/2 correct? Should they be forced to proove there ancestors were slaves?

Ridiculous.
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Postby Spazz » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:45 pm

What you gettin worked up for its not the governments gonna come to your house take your money and give it to some black people. This just an article you read to get you stirred up bout some bullshit.
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Postby The Kizzy » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:45 pm

What the hell do you think we pay tax money for? Your name is fitting.
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Postby Spazz » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:47 pm

I new it was gonna come down to that. WHy dont you look into evil blacks getting your tax dollars vs what the fuck else the money is spent on dipshit.
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Postby Yamori » Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:09 pm

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Re: Reperations for Slavery

Postby Captain Insano » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:51 pm

The Kizzy wrote:
Advocates who say black Americans should be compensated for slavery and its Jim Crow aftermath are quietly chalking up victories and gaining momentum.


Fueled by the work of scholars and lawyers, their campaign has morphed in recent years from a fringe-group rallying cry into sophisticated, mainstream movement. Most recently, a pair of churches apologized for their part in the slave trade, and one is studying ways to repay black church members.

The overall issue is hardly settled, even among black Americans: Some say that focusing on slavery shouldn't be a top priority or that it doesn't make sense to compensate people generations after a historical wrong.

Yet reparations efforts have led a number of cities and states to approve measures that force businesses to publicize their historical ties to slavery. Several reparations court cases are in progress, and international human rights officials are increasingly spotlighting the issue.

"This matter is growing in significance rather than declining," said Charles Ogletree, a Harvard law professor and a leading reparations activist. "It has more vigor and vitality in the 21st century than it's had in the history of the reparations movement."

The most recent victories for reparations advocates came in June, when the Moravian Church and the Episcopal Church both apologized for owning slaves and promised to battle current racism. The Episcopalians also launched a national, yearslong probe into church slavery links and into whether the church should compensate black members. A white church member, Katrina Browne, also screened a documentary focusing on white culpability at the denomination's national assembly.

The Episcopalians debated slavery and reparations for years before reaching an agreement, said Jayne Oasin, social justice officer for the denomination, who will oversee its work on the issue.

Historically, slavery was an uncomfortable topic for the church. Some Episcopal bishops owned slaves — and the Bible was used to justify the practice, Oasin said.

"Why not (take these steps) 100 years ago?" she said. "Let's talk about the complicity of the Episcopal Church as one of the institutions of this country who, of course, benefited from slavery."

Also in June, a North Carolina commission urged the state government to repay the descendants of victims of a violent 1898 campaign by white supremacists to strip blacks of power in Wilmington, N.C. As many as 60 blacks died, and thousands were driven from the city.

The commission also recommended state-funded programs to support local black businesses and home ownership.

The report came weeks after the Organization of American States requested information from the U.S. government about a 1921 race riot in Tulsa, Okla., in which 1,200 homes were burned and as many as 300 blacks killed. An OAS official said the group might pursue the issue as a violation of international human rights.

The modern reparations movement revived an idea that's been around since emancipation, when black leaders argued that newly freed slaves deserved compensation.

About six years ago, the issue started gaining momentum again. Randall Robinson's "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks," was a best seller; reparations became a central issue at the World Conference on Racism in Durban, South Africa; and California legislators passed the nation's first law forcing insurance companies that do business with the state to disclose their slavery ties. Illinois passed a similar insurance law in 2003, and the next year Iowa legislators began requesting — but not forcing — the same disclosures.

Several cities — including Chicago, Detroit and Oakland — have laws requiring that all businesses make such disclosures.

Reparations opponents insist that no living American should have to pay for a practice that ended more than 140 years ago. Plus, programs such as affirmative action and welfare already have compensated for past injustices, said John H. McWhorter, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute.

"The reparations movement is based on a fallacy that cripples the thinking on race — the fallacy that what ails black America is a cash problem," said McWhorter, who is black. "Giving people money will not solve the problems that we have."

Even so, support is reaching beyond African-Americans and the South.

Katrina Browne, the white Episcopalian filmmaker, is finishing a documentary about her ancestors, the DeWolfs of Bristol, R.I., the biggest slave-trading family in U.S. history. She screened it for Episcopal Church officials at the June convention.

"Traces of the Trade: A Story From the Deep North," details how the economies of the Northeast and the nation as a whole depended on slaves.

"A lot of white people think they know everything there is to know about slavery — we all agree it was wrong and that's enough," Browne said. "But this was the foundation of our country, not some Southern anomaly. We all inherit responsibility."

She says neither whites nor blacks will heal from slavery until formal hearings expose the full history of slavery and its effects — an effort similar to South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission after apartheid collapsed.


I hope in 140 years my descendants are given reperations because noone cuold get a decent job after affirmative action. This is ridiculous. This happened way before my grandparents time. Why should I have to pay? I had nothing to do with it. What about the Indians whose land was stolen and forced to go live on reservations? What about the Chinese who were enslaved and forced to work on the railroads? What about women who were forced to stay in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant? SHould all of these groups been given reperation? What about children who come from mixed marriages. They should only get 1/2 correct? Should they be forced to proove there ancestors were slaves?

Ridiculous.



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Postby Captain Insano » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:51 pm

i spealled leaeches rong.
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Postby Harrison » Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:51 pm

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Postby Narrock » Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:23 pm

Didn't some president or other government official (way back when) promise all descendants of black slaves "40 acres and a mule?"

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Postby Captain Insano » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:27 am

Yah i think it was john kerry.
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Postby Maeya » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:31 am

It's shit like this that creates animosity between the races. If they want many of the racial tensions to stop, they need to truly treat everyone equally. That includes no special privileges as well.
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Postby Lyion » Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:41 am

After Lawyer fees, they'll get a $1.50 each.
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Postby Lionking » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:58 am

I'm willing to pay reparations as long as I get my own nigglet slave to justify it!
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Postby Agrajag » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:24 am

Lionking wrote:I'm willing to pay reparations as long as I get my own nigglet slave to justify it!


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Postby The Kizzy » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:37 am

This reminds me of the Dave Chappelle skit on the reperations. Hilarious.
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Postby Tikker » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:50 pm

spazz wrote:What you gettin worked up for its not the governments gonna come to your house take your money and give it to some black people. This just an article you read to get you stirred up bout some bullshit.


well

look at how the indian situation is in canada
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Postby Narrock » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:08 pm

Captain Insano wrote:Yah i think it was john kerry.


Nah, it was some other leftist wacktard.
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Postby Thon » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:42 pm

i thought it was General Sherman, the guy who burned and pillaged everything in his way while marching through Georgia during the civil war

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Postby brinstar » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:56 pm

Narrock wrote:Didn't some president or other government official (way back when) promise all descendants of black slaves "40 acres and a mule?"

:rofl:


maj. gen. Sherman issued orders to parcel out land to the tens of thousands of newly-freed slaves that took up after him in his march to georgia. this land was seized from wealthy white slaveowners. (the orders did not mention mules).
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Postby Captain Insano » Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:07 pm

A mule was an important asset back before the industrial revolution.

btw random c hester doesn't much look liek a cat
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Postby Narrock » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:08 pm

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Postby Eziekial » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:46 am

Wait, didn't Egypt enslave the Jews long before we did them? Why don't they set the example and donate the pyamids to Isreal. Then we can talk.
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Postby Phlegm » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:59 am

Eziekial wrote:Wait, didn't Egypt enslave the Jews long before we did them? Why don't they set the example and donate the pyamids to Isreal. Then we can talk.


Egypt and other civilizations that enslaved people in the past don't care about reparations.
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Postby Thon » Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:06 pm

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the sad part is that's the smartest thing you've said all thread
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Re: Reperations for Slavery

Postby Zanchief » Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:13 pm

The Kizzy wrote:I hope in 140 years my descendants are given reperations because noone cuold get a decent job after affirmative action.


As ridiculous as reparations for slavery is, the above statement is equally retarded.
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