Election results

[Zanchief]

I'll side with the guy that didn't let 3000 of his people die because he was too busy trying to trump up a war elsewhere. Things worked out in the end. 9-11 was all he needed to convince people that Iraq was to blame. It seems ignorance is Bush's greatest asset against terrorism, and it seems his minions are oozing it as well. Oh right, you're a moderate, Lyion. I keep forgetting that amidst your fanatically right wing posts of centrist moderation.

[Narrock]

Zanchief lives in a make-believe world or something. Take your meds, Zan, before you hurt someone.

[Lyion]

I'll side with the guy that didn't let 3000 of his people die because he was too busy trying to trump up a war elsewhere. Things worked out in the end. 9-11 was all he needed to convince people that Iraq was to blame. It seems ignorance is Bush's greatest asset against terrorism, and it seems his minions are oozing it as well. Oh right, you're a moderate, Lyion. I keep forgetting that amidst your fanatically right wing posts of centrist moderation.

Watch Zanchief go screaming in terror at the thought of these right wing fanatical things:

Tax Cuts!

National Defense!

Personal Reponsibility!

Oh, the horror!

9/11 happened because Clinton never took the initiative and went after Bin Laden and his network. Sure, it would've been nice if W had walked in and cleaned up Intel and military immediately but new administrations take time, and Less than a year in one barely has time to enact much change.

Continue to not look at the facts and be a 'Canadian' Moderate. I'm sure that's what moderates up there do. Especially ones who vote for incompetent corrupt administrations without an inkling of their own governments huge inadequacies due to envy about the Superpower to the South that actually matters on the world stage.

Then again, since all your posts could've been scripted by the far left whackos on CBC, it's no surprise to not hear anything original, factual, or correct coming out. Just more regurgitated socialist drivel from another hater who never saw a fact he couldn't ignore.

Ignorance however seems to be slowly escaping Canada.

[Narrock]

Harper is the best leader Canada has had in years.

[Harrison]

Please inform me oh wise Zanchief, knower of all facts!

How much did Clinton know of the threat that Osama posed to the U.S. and its people?

*gets popcorn*

Clinton knew enough to give the Bush administration detailed information saying that his top security priority should be Bin Laden. What did Bush do? Completely ignored him in typical Republican "I know better than you attitude".

The Clinton administration was completely on top of the Bin Laden situation. It was when the government got handed off to Monkey Face that everything went to shit. Things worked out well for him though, he got the war he was looking to get into since the day he took office, and it only took 3000 lives.

Put the popcorn down, Ignatius, you're out of your league.

Do your research little boy.

In 1999, U.S. President Bill Clinton convinced the U.N. to impose sanctions against Afghanistan in an attempt to force the Taliban to extradite Osama.

OHNOZ NOT SANCTIONS!!!1

We all know how well those sanctions worked out don't we?

Osama should have been killed before he was "exiled" from his homeland, not had his fucking assets frozen.

[Zanchief]

It's funny because in 2000, right before the change of power happened, the Clinton administration had pictures of Bin Laden and knew his exact whereabouts. A few months later Bush had no clue what was going on. After being told the severity of the situation, Bush completely ignored him. He went after Iraq from day one, neglected the threat at hand and 3000 people died because of it. Now you're defending him over the Internet, Lyion. How is that for personal responsibility? Oh right, you're a hypocrite. I keep forgetting that.

Tax cuts, national defense and personaly responsibility? Dear god you must be outraged at the current administration. They've moved in the wrong direction on all fronts. Oh wait you think your president is going to be considered "one of the greatest presidents of all time"? Hrmmm, so your just a run of the mill boring Internet hypocrite. That's about as lame as that same tired Harper picture you post in every thread I comment in.

Fin, frozen assets and sanctions kept him under control. Ignoring him all together to persuit a 10 year old fuid started by pops? That didn't work out so well.

[Zanchief]

Harper is the best leader Canada has had in years.

I've never heard a stronger endorsement for his opposition.

[Narrock]

Harper is the best leader Canada has had in years.

I've never heard a stronger endorsement for his opposition.

Neato.

[Harrison]

Fin, frozen assets and sanctions kept him under control. Ignoring him all together to persuit a 10 year old fuid started by pops? That didn't work out so well.

I'm going to try to do this the best I can. I am not so skilled at educating the ignorant though.

Sanctioning AFGHANISTAN doesn't help when IRANIANS are the ones funding his little "group". The Taliban didn't give a flying fuck if sanctions were put upon their country when their funding came from an outside source in the end.

Clinton knew his "exact whereabouts" and yet Bin Laden was still at large. You in your infinite wisdom, blame Bush for the lack of action taken against him? You scare me with that staggering stupidity.

Clinton and his administration tore down the ability for our intelligence agencies (CIA and FBI) to work together in an efficient manner. Yet somehow Bush is the devil incarnate for "ignoring" the threat Bin Laden and Al'Qaeda posed to us.

It is of no surprise to me that your complete lack of knowledge in the situation overall poses no hinderance to your vendetta against everything relating to Bush and his administration. That is pretty much par for the course when you're an ignorant foreigner though.

[Tikker]

Especially ones who vote for incompetent corrupt administrations without an inkling of their own governments huge inadequacies ..... it's no surprise to not hear anything original, factual, or correct coming out. Just more regurgitated facist drivel from another hater who never saw a fact he couldn't ignore.

funny how you replace one word, and this diabtribe suddenly screams Lyion all over it

[Lyion]

It's funny because in 2000, right before the change of power happened, the Clinton administration had pictures of Bin Laden and knew his exact whereabouts. A few months later Bush had no clue what was going on. After being told the severity of the situation, Bush completely ignored him. He went after Iraq from day one, neglected the threat at hand and 3000 people died because of it. Now you're defending him over the Internet, Lyion. How is that for personal responsibility? Oh right, you're a hypocrite. I keep forgetting that.

Wow, they KNEW where he was, but did nothing. Your own post pretty much proves my point, Zan. They knew where he was for years, and knew he was responsible for terrorist attacks, and planning future ones, but never took him. How in the world can they not be responsible for much of what he did?

Yes, Bush didn't walk into the oval office with as much of a clue as someone who had been there 8 years, and was in charge of our military and responsible for protecting our country for that whole duration, and yet did nothing in regards to someone who had attacked sovereign US territory, and the US military.

Also, we invaded Afghanistan long before we invaded Iraq. You can argue against Iraq but that's really an apples and oranges statement. Iraq was in 2003. We were rolling through the Taliban before W was even in office a year.

Fin, frozen assets and sanctions kept him under control. Ignoring him all together to persuit a 10 year old fuid started by pops? That didn't work out so well.

No, they did not. He was free to do a lot of malice and wreack havoc from afghanistan.

He still was receiving plenty of funds and his support infrastructure was doing quite well pre 9/11.

Clinton later regretted not doing something real after he left office which to me was taking blame for the 9/11 attacks, and rightly so. Al Qaeda was preparing their 9/11 strike long before W was in office.

Clinton did nothing to slow down Al Qaeda at all. You can argue probably Bush would have done nothing if 9/11 didn't occur or he would've focused on Iraq, but it did and he's enacted change in the middle east, for good or bad, starting with Afghanistan and toppling the Taliban.

[Narrock]

Fin, frozen assets and sanctions kept him under control. Ignoring him all together to persuit a 10 year old fuid started by pops? That didn't work out so well.

I'm going to try to do this the best I can. I am not so skilled at educating the ignorant though.

Sanctioning AFGHANISTAN doesn't help when IRANIANS are the ones funding his little "group". The Taliban didn't give a flying fuck if sanctions were put upon their country when their funding came from an outside source in the end.

Clinton knew his "exact whereabouts" and yet Bin Laden was still at large. You in your infinite wisdom, blame Bush for the lack of action taken against him? You scare me with that staggering stupidity.

Clinton and his administration tore down the ability for our intelligence agencies (CIA and FBI) to work together in an efficient manner. Yet somehow Bush is the devil incarnate for "ignoring" the threat Bin Laden and Al'Qaeda posed to us.

It is of no surprise to me that your complete lack of knowledge in the situation overall poses no hinderance to your vendetta against everything relating to Bush and his administration. That is pretty much par for the course when you're an ignorant foreigner though.

Great post Harrison. You're right.

[Zanchief]

How is it that during 8 years of destroying the military you had close tabs on Bin Laden, but ONLY when Bush took office do you lost sight of him completely. I agree 100% in hindsight Clinton should have nuked Al-Qaeda to hell, but what with assassinations being illegal and Clinton being concerned with silly laws and what not, his hands were kinda tied in that regards. Bush isn't as concerned with the law, since he's clearly above it, and the general populous isn't the least bit concerned with holding him accountable for his actions.

Let me spell it out for you. Clinton in office, Bin Laden's where abouts known. Bush takes office, he doesn't give a shit anymore.

And Lyion, Bush was forced into Afghanistan after 9-11, but since day one he knew full well that he was going to use it as a ploy to move into Iraq. It's pretty obvious from his first speech about not making a distinction between those who harbour terrorists and such.

Fin, if it was so clear Iran was the one funding Al-Qaeda, why did we only hear about the link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda? Doesn't that concern you?

[Gidan]

I was a large supporter of Clinton, but dont get into him being one for the law.

[Zanchief]

Getting a blowjob is a little different than assassinating someone.

[Gidan]

Ehh, we have been assassinating people for years. Some people deserve it. If someone has Osama in their sites, I hope they pull the trigger.

I also couldn't care less about him getting a blowjob. At the grand jury, he shouldn't have lied and shouldn't be pardoned for it.

[Harrison]

Fin, if it was so clear Iran was the one funding Al-Qaeda, why did we only hear about the link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda? Doesn't that concern you?

I didn't say IRAN, I said "IRANIANS".

I purposefully made that distinction very clear. Although now it is known that Iran as a country has no reservations in supporting terrorism either directly with arms/supplies or indirectly with funds.

Iraq was a necessary step in stabilizing the region, regardless of what the reason for going in was.(Not to mention that it has no bearing on this conversation beyond your wild conspiracy spewing bullshit with no factual backing) To be honest, I don't give a fuck about the why any more than you give a fuck about anything that goes against your finite view of anything beyond your backyard.

[Harrison]

Let me spell it out for you. Clinton in office, Bin Laden's where abouts known. Bush takes office, he doesn't give a shit anymore.

Let me spell it out for you as best I can.

That pretty much does fuck all when you sit idly by while he plots to attack your country. (again I might add!)

As clearly stated and proven earlier, applying sanctions on Afghanistan does NOT count as "doing something".

For fuck's sake, do you even bother to read up on what's going on outside in "the world"?

[Narrock]

I think Zanchief is just messin with ya Harri. He can't possibly even believe his own posts.

[Diekan]

That's a negative.

It very much matters WHY we invade foreign soil and cause the death of thousands of people. To think or say otherwise is moronic.

Our constitution doesn't tell us to go out and force democracy on the rest of the world.

The president of the United States flat out lied to us. I'm amazed that people are still foolhearty enough to bring out the tired, old, "well he made his choices based on the intel" argument. It should be clear by now that he had every intention of invading Iraq from day one of his administration. 9/11 was his excuse.

How many times did his reason change over the course of this mess? First it was WMD's, then it was to fight terrorism, now it's so we can bring freedom to the people of Iraq. Come on. The very fact his reasons for our occupation of that country changes constantly should be a pretty big hint that something isn't right.

According to Harrison's logic - our president can invade, bomb, destroy any country he wants for whatever reason and it should be ok.

Believe it or not, there are some countries for which democracy wont work. Muslims can't even stop killing themselves long enough to work out their differences let alone to fully accept and institute a peaceful democracy.

We've removed a blood dictator and now the very country we "freed" is now on the brink of civil war. The police force is corrupt and the two main factions are fighting over who has ultimate control.

[Harrison]

Believe it or not, there are some countries for which democracy wont work. Muslims can't even stop killing themselves long enough to work out their differences let alone to fully accept and institute a peaceful democracy.

We've removed a blood dictator and now the very country we "freed" is now on the brink of civil war. The police force is corrupt and the two main factions are fighting over who has ultimate control.

Wild speculation and frothing conspiracy theories aside. I am getting tired of addressing the stupidity. Of which is mainly why I don't get into "real discussions" here very often at all. It is not because I can't think for myself as most of you 'tards would like to believe. Half of you people sicken me with your ignorance at times.

Anyways, let's get back on track here.

I would argue that Pakistan and Turkey are relatively peacuful Islamic countries overall.

Pakistan itself was the country who supplied the intelligence to British officials that brought down this latest terror plot of late. Pakistani intelligence is still working closely with U.S. and the British.

To boot, Pakistan is officially known as "The Islamic Republic of Pakistan"

Peaceful enough for you yet?

Turkey is 99% Muslim. Turkey is a Democratic Constitutional Republic as well. I mean fuck, their motto is "Peace at Home, Peace in the World".

Peaceful enough for you yet?

Enough of that, let's address the "brink of civil war" bullshit quickly.

When was the last time a country has peacefully had a military dictator removed by force and then a smooth transition to a new government ensued?

Oh, never? (I'm not 100% sure, too lazy to whip out the history just to prove you wrong)

[Lyion]

Fin, if it was so clear Iran was the one funding Al-Qaeda, why did we only hear about the link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda? Doesn't that concern you?

Iran never funded Al Qaeda. In fact, Iran despises Al Qaeda and the feeling is mutual. The Wahabi sect ranks Shi'ites about the same as other infidels, and wants their destruction.

Saddam, however is Sunni like Al Qaeda, helped fund the Hamas Sunni Muslims, and had many of the same principles as Al Qaeda. He also had known Al Qaeda operatives and friendlies in his country. Saddam was the one ignoring all those UN sanctions and with a history of WMD use on his own people, that we deemed a threat, before some decided to play politics with national defense.

Iran funds Hezbollah, who is likewise Shi'ite. If you kept careful track of the news, you'd notice the Wahabi Al Qaeda backing clerics in Saudi condemning and insulting Hezbollah, and via that Iran. Iran has hardline rhetoric, but is actually on our side in the Al Qaeda fight, which unfortunately most people don't actually get or understand.

[Diekan]

I would argue that Pakistan and Turkey are relatively peacuful Islamic countries overall.

LOL. Have ever been to Turkey? Have you ever been ANY WHERE outside your state? I have and for you to say that Turkey is relatively peaceful shows just how little you really know about what's really going on over there.

[Zanchief]

Let me spell it out for you as best I can.

That pretty much does fuck all when you sit idly by while he plots to attack your country. (again I might add!)

As clearly stated and proven earlier, applying sanctions on Afghanistan does NOT count as "doing something".

For fuck's sake, do you even bother to read up on what's going on outside in "the world"?

Well I guess since sugar-tits McGee thinks sanctions are useless that must make it fact, but that is really irrelevant. When Clinton was in office, with his devastated useless intelligence network, they knew where Bin Laden was. Bush takes office and makes his where abouts a second priority next too trumping up a war in Iraq. Luckily for him his incompetence stumbled him into an solution to both problems as long as no one asks too many questions. Good thing your country is infested with morons like you and Mindia that are so rabidly blind in your allegiance you don't really care what he does.

[Harrison]

You're confusing your complete lack of knowledge in the matter with a 100% fabricated allegiance to Bush.

My opinion that sanctions are useless isn't what is in question here. I know this is difficult for someone of your kind to do but, please try to go back and actually fucking read what I said.

Fact: Sanctioning AFGHANISTAN doesn't qualify as an action against Bin Laden when his funding is coming from OTHER sources. The only thing this accomplished was put more people into poverty and hurt more civilians.

Opinion: "When Clinton was in office, with his devastated useless intelligence network, they knew where Bin Laden was. Bush takes office and makes his where abouts a second priority next too trumping up a war in Iraq."

Bush knew he was still in Afghanistan when he got in office. But, if we had invaded or even done ANYTHING pre-emptive to 9/11...The world would have bled their vaginas all over the place like they did for Iraq.

Hindsight is 20/20...

LOL. Have ever been to Turkey? Have you ever been ANY WHERE outside your state? I have and for you to say that Turkey is relatively peaceful shows just how little you really know about what's really going on over there.

Yes, in-fact I've traveled halfway across the country twice now since last year. I intend to do it again this fall too. I might not come back home barring any unforeseen anchors in my life attaching or reattaching by then as well.