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NY Times editorial on the election

Postby Arlos » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:25 am

Yes, yes, I know it's the New York Times. As they note in the editorial, however, they have a very very long tradition of endorsing moderate Republicans as well as Democrats. This is the first time in many decades that they have not recommended a single Republican, which I find highly significant. Hell, as it says, even 2 years ago, they endorsed several Republicans, but not now.

Editorial
The Difference Two Years Made
The New York Times
November 5, 2006

On Tuesday, when this page runs the list of people it has endorsed for election, we will include no Republican Congressional candidates for the first time in our memory. Although Times editorials tend to agree with Democrats on national policy, we have proudly and consistently endorsed a long line of moderate Republicans, particularly for the House. Our only political loyalty is to making the two-party system as vital and responsible as possible.

That is why things are different this year.

To begin with, the Republican majority that has run the House - and for the most part, the Senate - during President Bush's tenure has done a terrible job on the basics. Its tax-cutting-above-all-else has wrecked the budget, hobbled the middle class and endangered the long-term economy. It has refused to face up to global warming and done pathetically little about the country's dependence on foreign oil.

Republican leaders, particularly in the House, have developed toxic symptoms of an overconfident majority that has been too long in power. They methodically shut the opposition - and even the more moderate members of their own party - out of any role in the legislative process. Their only mission seems to be self-perpetuation.

The current Republican majority managed to achieve that burned-out, brain-dead status in record time, and with a shocking disregard for the most minimal ethical standards. It was bad enough that a party that used to believe in fiscal austerity blew billions on pork-barrel projects. It is worse that many of the most expensive boondoggles were not even directed at their constituents, but at lobbyists who financed their campaigns and high-end lifestyles.

That was already the situation in 2004, and even then this page endorsed Republicans who had shown a high commitment to ethics reform and a willingness to buck their party on important issues like the environment, civil liberties and women's rights.

For us, the breaking point came over the Republicans' attempt to undermine the fundamental checks and balances that have safeguarded American democracy since its inception. The fact that the White House, House and Senate are all controlled by one party is not a threat to the balance of powers, as long as everyone understands the roles assigned to each by the Constitution. But over the past two years, the White House has made it clear that it claims sweeping powers that go well beyond any acceptable limits. Rather than doing their duty to curb these excesses, the Congressional Republicans have dedicated themselves to removing restraints on the president's ability to do whatever he wants. To paraphrase Tom DeLay, the Republicans feel you don't need to have oversight hearings if your party is in control of everything.

An administration convinced of its own perpetual rightness and a partisan Congress determined to deflect all criticism of the chief executive has been the recipe for what we live with today.

Congress, in particular the House, has failed to ask probing questions about the war in Iraq or hold the president accountable for his catastrophic bungling of the occupation. It also has allowed Mr. Bush to avoid answering any questions about whether his administration cooked the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction. Then, it quietly agreed to close down the one agency that has been riding herd on crooked and inept American contractors who have botched everything from construction work to the security of weapons.

After the revelations about the abuse, torture and illegal detentions in Abu Ghraib, Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay, Congress shielded the Pentagon from any responsibility for the atrocities its policies allowed to happen. On the eve of the election, and without even a pretense at debate in the House, Congress granted the White House permission to hold hundreds of noncitizens in jail forever, without due process, even though many of them were clearly sent there in error.

In the Senate, the path for this bill was cleared by a handful of Republicans who used their personal prestige and reputation for moderation to paper over the fact that the bill violates the Constitution in fundamental ways. Having acquiesced in the president's campaign to dilute their own authority, lawmakers used this bill to further Mr. Bush's goal of stripping the powers of the only remaining independent branch, the judiciary.

This election is indeed about George W. Bush - and the Congressional majority's insistence on protecting him from the consequences of his mistakes and misdeeds. Mr. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 and proceeded to govern as if he had an enormous mandate. After he actually beat his opponent in 2004, he announced he now had real political capital and intended to spend it. We have seen the results. It is frightening to contemplate the new excesses he could concoct if he woke up next Wednesday and found that his party had maintained its hold on the House and Senate.


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Postby Evermore » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:40 pm

Rep control should be all done with tomm
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Postby Diekan » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:57 pm

Thank God too. It's high time those idiots are shown the door and told not to return.

Hey, as you wanna talk WMD? The GOP is the biggest WMD we've ever seen.
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Postby Tossica » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:08 pm

I am not as confident as you are.
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Postby Ginzburgh » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:54 pm

Me either.
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Postby Martrae » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:59 pm

It was in the Times so it must be true!
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Postby Narrock » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:13 pm

Martrae wrote:It was in the Times so it must be true!


If it was in the New York Post then it would have a greater chance of being true.
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Postby Arlos » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:31 pm

Actually, if you read the editorial, it makes no predictions of any kind as to the outcome. It only talks about who they are going to endorse for election, and the rationale behind their position. Only the people in this thread have been predicting. Thus, Martrae's comment is irrelevant and baseless, as she is dissing something that isn't actually present in the article.

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Postby Eziekial » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:32 pm

I'm almost temped to vote for Democrates to speed us along to our eventual destruction as a nation.
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Postby Evermore » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:41 pm

democrats repbulicans, no difference. we are doomed
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Postby Martrae » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:49 pm

arlos wrote:Actually, if you read the editorial, it makes no predictions of any kind as to the outcome. It only talks about who they are going to endorse for election, and the rationale behind their position. Only the people in this thread have been predicting. Thus, Martrae's comment is irrelevant and baseless, as she is dissing something that isn't actually present in the article.

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Postby Yamori » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:49 pm

There are no libertarian candidates for congress in my state. :(

I'm thinking of voting Democrat (><) for house/senate in the vague hope that Bush won't be able to accomplish as much stupidity in his last 2 years if one or both parts of congress aren't republican controlled. :/

The whole process is so depressing - that the only real choices out there are the slightly lesser of two mediocre evils. This two party system is strangling the country. :mystery:
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Postby Arlos » Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:53 pm

There's actually going to be a Socialist elected to the Senate from Vermont. Maybe that's a start?

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Postby Tikker » Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:55 pm

I really don't understand why you guys are so hard core adamant about only voting for 1 of 2 options
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Postby Lueyen » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:37 pm

Tikker wrote:I really don't understand why you guys are so hard core adamant about only voting for 1 of 2 options


The vast majority of Americans can't or don't delve deeply into issues, we are for the most part a society of 30 second sound bytes. Add to this fraudulent spin and polarization by extremists on every issue and we have a problem with people being anything close to an informed voting public. Because of the absolute polarization, and the refusal of compromise (tow the party platform or you are out), we are stuck in most cases with voting against someone instead of for someone. We absolutely need measurable diversity in at least 2 or 3 more political parties, but with the prevailing perspective of voting for one being a thrown away vote (again due to voting for the candidate most likely to win vs the one you don't want) you end up with an extremely steep up hill climb for other parties and their candidates. It's basically a gigantic circle jerk based around a chicken and the egg scenario.
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Postby The Kizzy » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:34 am

Thats it. Im starting my own party. Im running for president in 2012. Please keep all my skeletons in the closet and vote for me!!
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Postby Arlos » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:28 am

There may be movement afoot to break the stalemate. Here in California, there's a public financing of political campaigns initiative on the ballot, based on similar laws that exist in 2 states.

Basically, all you have to do to qualify is sign a legally binding pledge that you will use no money for your campaign beyond what you receive from the state treasurer for your campaign, then get a certain minimum amount of 10 dollar donations to prove you have enough constitutency to be at least a potential contender. It also sets the amounts that people going for different races would receive. For state assembly, for example, you'll get 250,000, and need to get 750 $10 donations to qualify. For Governor, you can get 2million I believe it is, but you need a lot more donations before you qualify.

They also have rules in there where to keep the field level with a rich person spending their own money, it will match opponent expenditures up to 5x the original amount. So, if you're going for state assembly vs Richie Rich who spends 1.1 million on the race, since that's less than 5x the 250k that you'd get by default, they'll up the amount they give you to 1.1mil to match.

Basically, it makes it so that anyone who participates can't be getting donations from special interests or lobbyists, and you don't need to be rich or be backed by one of the major parties to be able to run and be competitive from a monetary standpoint. It still allows rich people to opt out and spend their own or donated money as before, they just won't be eligible to get public funds, and are unlikely to be able to outspend their publicly funded opponents, unless they really go berserk with spending money.

Me, I'll be voting for that proposition wholeheartedly.

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Postby Eziekial » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:31 pm

If that law passes, I'll round up some of my friends and head to California for some campaigning extravaganza! I bet the yard sign business goes through the roof.
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Postby Phlegm » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:42 pm

That proposition was rejected by the voters.
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