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Bush Speech 1/10/07

Postby Phlegm » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:02 pm

Transcript: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242958,00.html




Our past efforts to secure Baghdad failed for two principal reasons: There were not enough Iraqi and American troops to secure neighborhoods that had been cleared of terrorists and insurgents. And there were too many restrictions on the troops we did have. Our military commanders reviewed the new Iraqi plan to ensure that it addressed these mistakes. They report that it does. They also report that this plan can work.

Let me explain the main elements of this effort: The Iraqi government will appoint a military commander and two deputy commanders for their capital. The Iraqi government will deploy Iraqi Army and National Police brigades across Baghdad's nine districts. When these forces are fully deployed, there will be 18 Iraqi Army and National Police brigades committed to this effort — along with local police. These Iraqi forces will operate from local police stations — conducting patrols, setting up checkpoints, and going door-to-door to gain the trust of Baghdad residents.

This is a strong commitment. But for it to succeed, our commanders say the Iraqis will need our help. So America will change our strategy to help the Iraqis carry out their campaign to put down sectarian violence - and bring security to the people of Baghdad. This will require increasing American force levels. So I have committed more than 20,000 additional American troops to Iraq. The vast majority of them — five brigades — will be deployed to Baghdad. These troops will work alongside Iraqi units and be embedded in their formations. Our troops will have a well-defined mission: to help Iraqis clear and secure neighborhoods, to help them protect the local population, and to help ensure that the Iraqi forces left behind are capable of providing the security that Baghdad needs.



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Postby Darcler » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:22 pm

God fucking damn it. Just 6 months ago our troops were teased with the word that we were not sending as many in.

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Postby Narrock » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:29 pm

It sounds good on paper, but something tells me there's going to be new obstacles to contend with over there. I hope this new plan works. Get in, do what needs to be done, and get out in a few months. This is dragging out way too long.
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Postby Darcler » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:30 pm

It wont be a few months, you know it :(
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Postby araby » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:33 pm

who wants to go protest the war with me? I'm willing to drive, have a ford explorer, and will come pick you up. let's go to washington and protest the war. I'm very serious and I will leave tomorrow.
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Postby Xaiveir » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:02 pm

araby wrote:who wants to go protest the war with me? I'm willing to drive, have a ford explorer, and will come pick you up. let's go to washington and protest the war. I'm very serious and I will leave tomorrow.



Ill go...i live in washington...albeit the one on the other coast though...
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Postby KaiineTN » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:32 am

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Postby Evermore » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:25 am

more Bush bullshit. 2008 cant come soon enough. Currently the immediate solution is to get a new commander in chief. One that doesnt lie and actually has a clue. Or in the least listen to his joint chiefs of staff.

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Postby Spazz » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:46 am

Ill go but michigan a long way away. Got nothin else goin on and I hate the war and gw.
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Postby araby » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:43 am

I loved what katie couric said to her correspondent- "so, what will the president do to sell his plan to the people of the united states?" hahah....she's great. what a JOKE!
doesn't anyone else watch the man speaking and just get really BAD feelings? he can't even read it from the teleprompter or whatever...without making it even LOOK like he's reading. I don't even think he's knows WHAT he's reading. you can tell by how he breaks the sentences. this is a fucking joke and it's truly sad that he has gotten this far.

MORE TROOPS PEOPLE...MORE MONEY. wtf.
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Postby Zanchief » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:53 am

araby wrote:I loved what katie couric said to her correspondent- "so, what will the president do to sell his plan to the people of the united states?" hahah....she's great. what a JOKE!
doesn't anyone else watch the man speaking and just get really BAD feelings? he can't even read it from the teleprompter or whatever...without making it even LOOK like he's reading. I don't even think he's knows WHAT he's reading. you can tell by how he breaks the sentences. this is a fucking joke and it's truly sad that he has gotten this far.

MORE TROOPS PEOPLE...MORE MONEY. wtf.


You can blame people like Harrison, Lyion, Martrae, who voted for him and defended him until their cause became hopeless.
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Postby Evermore » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:26 pm

Not me I voted for Kodos
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Postby Yamori » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:39 pm

I wonder how this guy sleeps at night


On top of the gigantic pile of money he has made for his friends, I'd wager.
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Postby Yamori » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:55 pm

My impression is that Bush isn't the root of the problems. He's just another cog in the gigantic nameless piece of machinery thats been running politics and slowly destroying the country for the last 80-90 odd years. It's just that this particular cog is much more transparent than usual.

He's a rich kid with a famous name, who was elected not because of any positive traits or skills - but simply because he was his party's candidate and because people voted AGAINST his opponents. His professors and mentors taught him that politics consists of doing favors for friends and using the military for economic and political purposes - using whatever tactics he can safely get away with, and that he should just constantly bullshit and lie to the US population because it's what they want to hear - or that they'll take whatever they hear - or if they don't, they'll simply forget it when the next distraction shows up.

Is this really that much different from most of the past presidents we've had, aside from the fact that he's doing it in a glaringly obvious manner?
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Postby kinghooter00 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:19 pm

You got to give him credit for trying....err....nevermind... sorry for that. :ugh:
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Postby brinstar » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:53 pm

draft his daughters and send them into the heart of fucking anbar
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Postby Tuggan » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:57 pm

these soldiers werent drafted, they volunteered their services. guess they should have maybe thought about their decision a little harder if they're scared to go play in the sandbox.
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Postby Harrison » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:28 pm

Zanchief wrote:
araby wrote:I loved what katie couric said to her correspondent- "so, what will the president do to sell his plan to the people of the united states?" hahah....she's great. what a JOKE!
doesn't anyone else watch the man speaking and just get really BAD feelings? he can't even read it from the teleprompter or whatever...without making it even LOOK like he's reading. I don't even think he's knows WHAT he's reading. you can tell by how he breaks the sentences. this is a fucking joke and it's truly sad that he has gotten this far.

MORE TROOPS PEOPLE...MORE MONEY. wtf.


You can blame people like Harrison, Lyion, Martrae, who voted for him and defended him until their cause became hopeless.


I never defended him unless it was prudent to do so. Of which I would do for anyone really, names mean little to me as much as subject matter does.

I voted for him so we wouldn't have Kerry in office. I truly believe this country would be in WORSE shape if Kerry had taken over.
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Postby Lyion » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:35 pm

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/10cae0 ... 7c323a8eea

1) How in the hell are an additional 20,000 troops going to make such a big difference when we already have about 140,000 troops in Iraq? It makes no sense! Cut and run!!

First, calm down. We’re going to walk through this analytically, not sprint through it hysterically. The current troop level in Baghdad is only 13,000. Most of the 20,000 new troops are going to be headed to Baghdad. That means we’re going to increase our troop complement in Baghdad by roughly 150%. In other words, as regards the Battle of Baghdad, this is an enormous tactical adjustment, not a symbolic gesture.

2) Hmmm. Interesting. I didn’t know that. Why didn’t the president say that last night?

This is where things get a little dicey. Most of the fighting has been in Baghdad. And Baghdad has been the symbolic center of things. And yet only 10% of out troops were in Baghdad. This doesn’t say anything good about the Bush administration.

3) Why did they do that? Why were so few forces in Baghdad?

To know the truth, we’ll probably have to wait for the memoirs to be written by the war’s principals. And even then, most of those will probably be self-serving and dishonest. The most reasonable explanation is that the Bush administration was so fearful of casualties that it hesitated to put a significant amount of troops into harm’s way.

4) Do you think that’s why Bush finally last night admitted to errors?

When you make such a significant tactical adjustment after three years of doing something else that didn’t work, it’s pretty clear that whoever was doing the initial strategizing screwed the pooch. Big time. The President knows the buck stops with him, and he did the right thing taking the blame. It is his fault.

5) The president’s critics, the bloggers who act like 20,000 troops is just a symbolic addition to the 140,000 who are already there – do they understand how the addition of 20,000 troops to Baghdad represents a radical change in troop strength in the key area of the conflict?

I doubt it. It actually makes me laugh to hear and read some of these people comment on complex military matters without acquainting themselves with the most basic facts. Take Andrew Sullivan. Please. In his “analysis” of the speech last night, Andrew tossed around troop figures without having the faintest idea of what he was talking about:

“If the president tonight had outlined a serious attempt to grapple with this new situation - a minimum of 50,000 new troops as a game-changer - then I'd eagerly be supporting him. But he hasn't. 21,500 U.S. troops is once again, I fear, just enough troops to lose.”

6) What’s wrong with that? Andrew wanted 50,000 troops. Big deal.

Mentioning a troop number without saying what those troops are going to do is an intellectually vacant and frivolous exercise. It’s a low form of positional bargaining, throwing out numbers without attaching those numbers to anything concrete. If Andrew’s going to hurl out the number 50,000, he should give a hint as to what he’s going to do with those 50,000. He should also specify why he thinks 20,000 isn’t an adequate number for the task at hand.

7) Which is?

Pacifying Baghdad.

8) Where did the number 21,500 come from?

Out of a hat. Just kidding. But that is where figures like Andrew’s 50,000 came from.

The surge strength number comes from Dave Petraeus’ estimate of what will be necessary to win Baghdad. Petraeus is breaking Baghdad into nine neighborhoods. Each neighborhood will get a contingent of 2500 Iraqi soldiers (probably ones trained by Petraeus) supported by 600 American troops. This number, the plan figures, will be sufficient to clear the neighborhoods and then hold them. In previous encounters, we would clear and retreat. This is a very significant difference. The total surge into Baghdad, counting Iraqi troops, will be well over 40,000.

9) What else is new?

The rules of engagement have finally changed. The Shiite militias will be targeted for destruction. This is important. For any government to be legitimate and effective, it has to have a monopoly on the use of violent force. Even though the Maliki government might be philosophically friendly to the Shiite militias, the government would be (and has been) worthless with those militias running around.

10) Sounds like there will be a lot more killing.

Yes. Unless the militias and Al Qaeda back down. Neither seems likely.

11) How about the Democrats? What do they want?

Honestly, they want to call the mission a failure and withdraw. Interestingly, not a single Democrat has seen fit to address the tactical wisdom of the surge (or escalation as they prefer to call it). Not a single donkey has challenged the potential efficacy of Petraeus’ plans with anything resembling a detailed analysis. All they do is holler their favorite new one word slogan – “ESCALATION” – and get out of Dodge.

12) Why don’t they assess the plan in a serious and responsible manner?

Good one! You think the Democrats want Petraeus to testify before the Senate and argue military tactics with Dick Durbin and the Admiral of Chappaquiddick, Ted Kennedy? They know they’re out of their league when talking about such matters, so they avoid the conversation altogether.

13) Do you think Democrats are aware of the kind of tactical things that we’ve just discussed here?


I doubt it. Frankly, I doubt that a lot of Republicans are either. The intellectual incuriosity of our Congress-people is truly breathtaking. You have guys and gals on the intelligence committee who five years after 9/11 don’t know whether Al Qaeda is Sunni or Shiite. I have a hard time believing that our solons have really crunched the numbers and analyzed the tactics regarding the battle for Baghdad.

14) So they’re just playing to their nutroots base?

Sam Brownback doesn’t have a nutroots base and he’s against the surge. On its face adding 20,000 troops to the 140,000 already there does admittedly seem to be, as my dear old Uncle Willie said this morning, a “band-aid.” The problem is most of our congressmen don’t look beyond the surface. So when a lightweight like Republican Gordon Smith of Oregon refers to the surge as a “Hail Mary pass,” I’m quite willing to believe that he says such things not out of malice but out of ignorance regarding the tactical sea-change that the surge represents.

15) Whoa! Really lashing out at the Republicans there. What’s the deal? Enforcing some kind of party loyalty or something?

Democrats can at least defend their antics as garden-variety partisan idiocy. Republicans saying the same sort of things can’t hide behind the curtain of serving their party. They’re just being idiots.

16) But what if Gordon Smith came out with a comprehensive assessment of what is tactically necessary to subdue Baghdad this afternoon? Would that change your mind?

Frankly, there’s a greater likelihood of unicorns flying out of my ass this afternoon than Gordon Smith demonstrating a comprehensive understanding of anything. In other words, I’ll deal with Senator Smith’s comprehensive assessment when he delivers it.
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Postby kinghooter00 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:20 pm

wow... That was incredible.
Thanks for posting that.
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Postby Narrock » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:20 pm

Harrison wrote:
Zanchief wrote:
araby wrote:I loved what katie couric said to her correspondent- "so, what will the president do to sell his plan to the people of the united states?" hahah....she's great. what a JOKE!
doesn't anyone else watch the man speaking and just get really BAD feelings? he can't even read it from the teleprompter or whatever...without making it even LOOK like he's reading. I don't even think he's knows WHAT he's reading. you can tell by how he breaks the sentences. this is a fucking joke and it's truly sad that he has gotten this far.

MORE TROOPS PEOPLE...MORE MONEY. wtf.


You can blame people like Harrison, Lyion, Martrae, who voted for him and defended him until their cause became hopeless.


I never defended him unless it was prudent to do so. Of which I would do for anyone really, names mean little to me as much as subject matter does.

I voted for him so we wouldn't have Kerry in office. I truly believe this country would be in WORSE shape if Kerry had taken over.


The country would be in a LOT worse shape with scary Kerry in office.
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Postby Spazz » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:53 pm

Considering how well things are going right now im not so sure. You know with the war on and the economy going so strong, and all the other joys over the past few years Im not so sure kerry would have been worse at all.
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Postby araby » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:03 pm

this is just an interesting link with the mentions of al quaeda and the taliban/us drug war, etc
http://www.targetamerica.org/features.html



WASHINGTON, June 26 2006 (UNODC) - Cocaine consumption in western Europe is reaching alarming levels while opium production in Afghanistan could rise again this year despite a welcome decline in 2005, the Executive Director of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), Antonio Maria Costa, said on Monday.
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/press_release_2006_06_26_1.html

the president is stupid. I hate him and he makes me ill. even the drug lords are making money from the war. the taliban would not allow the drug production because of their religious beliefs and since US forces have been over there, look at what's happened. there is more now than ever. there is so much more here than oil, frat boys with rich daddy's and good ties, and defending terrorism, going into countries telling them how to do things and failing while doing it...(did anybody see jon stewart laughing on that woman who said we haven't failed, we just haven't succeeded yet? haha) there is just a bunch of capitalism going on here. every single person I've seen on television over the last few years have been trying to make money. capitalism at it's best...this country is about making money, which only requires (unfortunately!) having poor people around and that includes the poor people in the drug world. someone makes sooooo much money somewhere-for the little bit you smoke in your bowls, and chances are they are hoping it keeps them in their position, when you go to jail over it.
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Postby Spazz » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:24 pm

(warning derail rant) p.s ( blame araby)

Well regardless of how bad drugs can be i think letting these horrible people profit off them and the violence and other assorted problems they create is far worse. If your not for ending the war on drugs then your for giving these peopel money. Like it or not people have allways done dope so dont even play the well if no one did drugs card. ( im talking to you mindia and a few others you know who you are). The wod has done nothing but cause violence, erode the constitution, put more people in jail than is easy to imagine, and worst of all given who knows how much paper to the worst humanscum on earth. Lets look at reality here guys. A real sullution is needed for this problem not retarded tikker comments like kill all drug users. You wanna make the world a better safer place or do you wanna flush tons of resources down the drain and fund terror at the least and war at the worst?

did anybody see jon stewart
I did I thought that was good. I think him and colbert have really been on a roll as of late.
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Postby Lueyen » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:28 pm

Apparently one must be high to understand the direction this thread has taken.
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