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Postby Tossica » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:41 pm

Tikker wrote:1080i resolution is 1368x768

1080p is 1920x1080

99% of "HDTV" is 1080i, or 720p, very little stuff is 1080p

that being said, everything will move towards 1080p

if your tv is just 1080i and your friend wants to give you money for it, do it, and get a good 1080p set



This is untrue. 1080i and p are the same resolution, 1920x1080.
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Postby Jay » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:05 pm

Tossica wrote:
Tikker wrote:1080i resolution is 1368x768

1080p is 1920x1080

99% of "HDTV" is 1080i, or 720p, very little stuff is 1080p

that being said, everything will move towards 1080p

if your tv is just 1080i and your friend wants to give you money for it, do it, and get a good 1080p set



This is untrue. 1080i and p are the same resolution, 1920x1080.


That is correct sir although the selection for a 1920x1080 1080i TV is few and far between (although I'm sure no one's really digging hard for one of those anymore).
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Postby Tikker » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:06 pm

yes, you're right, kind of

1080i stiches together 2 540line images to get up to the 1080 lines

it's more detailed than say 720p, but tends to blur faster action

wikipedia wrote:The main tradeoff between the two is that 1080i may show more detail than 720p for a stationary shot of a subject at the expense of a lower effective refresh rate and the introduction of interlace artifacts during motion
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Postby Tossica » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:06 pm

Pretty much all HD tvs do 1080I.
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Postby Jay » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:08 pm

I meant up to 1080i. Anything that has 1080p will do 1080i and below. That much I know.

Sooo...Tossica

How much do you know about Home Theater. What do I need to get? I'm piecing this bitch together from scratch.
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Postby Tossica » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:14 pm

What do you want to know?

Pretty much everything in my home theater except for the projector and the main speakers is pretty low quality stuff. You wouldn't know that if I didn't tell you though, pretty much anyone I have over for a movie are blown away by the whole experience.
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Postby Tikker » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:15 pm

Tossica wrote:Pretty much all HD tvs do 1080I.


quick, find a tv with a native resolution of 1920x1080 that does 1080i and not 1080p

what I was really getting at, is that if your TV is billed as a 1080i set, it will have a resolution of 1366x768

if it's got 1920x1080 pixels, it WILL be a 1080p set, not a 1080i set (though it will of course support a 1080i source just fine)
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Postby Jay » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:17 pm

Basically with the Westinghouse TV I made a really good buy. Cost was low, quality is high and that's what I want. What's the best shit I can buy for the lowest cost (obviously) and also, what encoding does it need to have like Dolby, DTS or whatever, what outputs should it have and is there certain wattages or whatever I need to look for with the speakers etc etc.
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Postby Tossica » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:22 pm

Tikker wrote:yes, you're right, kind of

1080i stiches together 2 540line images to get up to the 1080 lines

it's more detailed than say 720p, but tends to blur faster action

wikipedia wrote:The main tradeoff between the two is that 1080i may show more detail than 720p for a stationary shot of a subject at the expense of a lower effective refresh rate and the introduction of interlace artifacts during motion


30 times a second you are getting a full frame in 1080i, 1080p gives you a full frame 60 times a second. The resolution is the same. Watching a movie, or TV you are not going to be able to see a difference because movies are made at 24fps so no matter if you have 1080i or p, you are getting some kind of pull down effect to make the 24fps source fit in the 30or 60fps format. Games on the other hand are probably going to look noticably better in 1080p. I have not witnessed this first hand.

Or something like that...
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Postby Reynaldo » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:08 pm

Jay wrote:Basically with the Westinghouse TV I made a really good buy. Cost was low, quality is high and that's what I want. What's the best shit I can buy for the lowest cost (obviously) and also, what encoding does it need to have like Dolby, DTS or whatever, what outputs should it have and is there certain wattages or whatever I need to look for with the speakers etc etc.



You should never run your home theater through a TV. Any low to mid range AV receiver nowadays should have plenty of inputs for audio sources (digital coax, digital optical), and run your sound into that with only Video sources going to the actual TV.

**edit - I don't have a receiver with HDMI throughput yet so I can't comment on that if you're hooking up your PS3, but I'd imagine all principles are the same, you'd just have to get a receiver that has HDMI inputs and outputs on it.
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Postby Tikker » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:22 pm

Tossica wrote:
Tikker wrote:yes, you're right, kind of

1080i stiches together 2 540line images to get up to the 1080 lines

it's more detailed than say 720p, but tends to blur faster action

wikipedia wrote:The main tradeoff between the two is that 1080i may show more detail than 720p for a stationary shot of a subject at the expense of a lower effective refresh rate and the introduction of interlace artifacts during motion


30 times a second you are getting a full frame in 1080i, 1080p gives you a full frame 60 times a second. The resolution is the same. Watching a movie, or TV you are not going to be able to see a difference because movies are made at 24fps so no matter if you have 1080i or p, you are getting some kind of pull down effect to make the 24fps source fit in the 30or 60fps format. Games on the other hand are probably going to look noticably better in 1080p. I have not witnessed this first hand.

Or something like that...


read the 2nd post I made. you took the 1080p vs 1080i out of context originally
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Postby Tossica » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:24 pm

I have nice front speakers (Paradigm Studio Monitors) and a Sony AV receiver that supports Dolby 5.1 and DTS. I bought some JBL surround and center channel speakers and a cheap powered sub. I don't even really need the sub as the front speakers provide more than enough deep bass.

You can spend ridiculous amounts of money on 7.1 receivers with all the bells and whistles but I think when it comes down to it, as long as you have your speakers placed properly and are running at least 5.1 it's going to sound great with just about any mix and match of gear. I think I paid less than $700 for my receiver, surround and center channel speakers and sub.
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Postby Tikker » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:26 pm

Jay wrote:Basically with the Westinghouse TV I made a really good buy. Cost was low, quality is high and that's what I want. What's the best shit I can buy for the lowest cost (obviously) and also, what encoding does it need to have like Dolby, DTS or whatever, what outputs should it have and is there certain wattages or whatever I need to look for with the speakers etc etc.


I picked up a pioneer 1000watt receiver for $200 canadian
It doesn't do HDMI passthru/switching tho

it does however have 3 spdif input(2 coax, 1 optical) and will decode DTS, Dolby, etc etc

if you've got a bunch of HDMI stuff tho(360, ps3, cable, dvd player) I'd definitely spend the cash and get a receiver that does the HDMI switching/passthru for you

ps if you really want to know the difference between audio, listen to "Titan AE" in dolby, then rewind, and stick it to DTS

it'll blow you away how much better DTS is
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Postby Tossica » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:26 pm

Tikker wrote:
Tossica wrote:Pretty much all HD tvs do 1080I.


quick, find a tv with a native resolution of 1920x1080 that does 1080i and not 1080p

what I was really getting at, is that if your TV is billed as a 1080i set, it will have a resolution of 1366x768

if it's got 1920x1080 pixels, it WILL be a 1080p set, not a 1080i set (though it will of course support a 1080i source just fine)


True.
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