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[Lyion]

I'm not saying you shouldn't have boundaries but ones that pose no thread to other human beings make no sense.

But.. these kids cause lots of damage in areas that were never built for the activities they wish to do.

It'd be like me running my Honda Cycle through your garden. It didn't hurt you, and it's just a boundary, so who cares?

[araby]

I'm not saying you shouldn't have boundaries but ones that pose no thread to other human beings make no sense.

But.. these kids cause lots of damage in areas that were never built for the activities they wish to do.

It'd be like me running my Honda Cycle through your garden. It didn't hurt you, and it's just a boundary, so who cares?

the city belongs to everyone, doesn't it? The garden belongs to me. there is a difference.

[10sun]

What kind of damage do they cause, Lyion?

[Lyion]

the city belongs to everyone, doesn't it? The garden belongs to me. there is a difference.

Both are similar cases of not respecting laws, and property. Whether it be personal property or taxpayer funded property with laws legislated in a democratic fashion, that should not be ignored due to personal desires.

It is your decision whether to allow people to run over your stuff, just like the city can decide what to allow within its boundaries. Ignoring the cities laws are identical to ignoring any other ones. If a person doesn't like a law, they are welcome to attempt to change it. Ignoring laws can and should have consequences.

[10sun]

What kind of damage do they cause, Lyion?

[Arlos]

Ahh, but lyion, sometimes ignoring a law *IS* an attempt to get it changed. Or are you unaware of the tradition of civil disobedience within this country? People feel a law is injust, so they break it to calla ttention to the injustice. Indeed, isn't that what Rosa Parks did?

-Arlos

[Lyion]

I skated where it was legal to do so. It wasn't legal to do it in area's, so I didn't.

It's illegal to skate on the streets and in the city limits there, which is just a simple law, and within the citys rights to do so. If one doesn't like the law, then work to change it. If a kid ignores it, I hope he gets fined heavily.

I'd prefer my downtown area remains illegal to skate. There are trails and places to go for that, and I hope that those who do decide to break the law realize they are wrong.

The city should be suing these guys for the damage they cause and the fact they knowingly break the law

http://www.wcbd.com/midatlantic/cbd/news.apx.-content-articles-CBD-2007-03-23-0022.html

10, follow the link from my earlier posts. That's from their local news, and if you want more info, you are better served researching it yourself, versus requoting yourself.

I have no problems with civil disobedience, but that doesn't change the nature of the way law should be enforced. I'm sure to some skateboarding discrimination is a noble cause worthy of many visits by Al Sharpton, but I'm not so sure I'm buying it, personally.

[araby]

the city belongs to everyone, doesn't it? The garden belongs to me. there is a difference.

Both are similar cases of not respecting laws, and property. Whether it be personal property or taxpayer funded property with laws legislated in a democratic fashion, that should not be ignored due to personal desires.

It is your decision whether to allow people to run over your stuff, just like the city can decide what to allow within its boundaries. Ignoring the cities laws are identical to ignoring any other ones. If a person doesn't like a law, they are welcome to attempt to change it. Ignoring laws can and should have consequences.

have you ever broken the law? would you consider it a "civil disobedience" ?

I have broken the law-it was definitely a civil disobedience, in my mind. Who's minds determine what a "civil disobedience" is and what isn't?

when you broke the law that you broke, Lyion, how would you have felt if a police officer came out of nowhere and knocked you off of your feet, in an attempt to stop you? Would you feel protected by the law at that point? Would you say that they were doing what was best for you?

At what point do you accept someone's anger as the reason you have been stopped doing what you enjoy doing?

[Harrison]

In New Bedford, when I used to skateboard we had to hide from cops if we were even CARRYING a skateboard.

I miss skating downtown New Bedford at 3am dodging junkies and cops.

[10sun]

I skated where it was legal to do so. It wasn't legal to do it in area's, so I didn't.

It's illegal to skate on the streets and in the city limits there, which is just a simple law, and within the citys rights to do so. If one doesn't like the law, then work to change it. If a kid ignores it, I hope he gets fined heavily.

I'd prefer my downtown area remains illegal to skate. There are trails and places to go for that, and I hope that those who do decide to break the law realize they are wrong.

The city should be suing these guys for the damage they cause and the fact they knowingly break the law

http://www.wcbd.com/midatlantic/cbd/news.apx.-content-articles-CBD-2007-03-23-0022.html

10, follow the link from my earlier posts. That's from their local news, and if you want more info, you are better served researching it yourself, versus requoting yourself.

I have no problems with civil disobedience, but that doesn't change the nature of the way law should be enforced. I'm sure to some skateboarding discrimination is a noble cause worthy of many visits by Al Sharpton, but I'm not so sure I'm buying it, personally.

Ctrl + F , search for Skate, no results on that page.

What physical damage does skateboarding cause?

[Lyion]

http://www.wcbd.com/midatlantic/cbd/new ... -0033.html

Trinity United Methodist Church has a problem with skateboarders. It's most noticeable by the large chunks taken out of the base of the white concrete columns in front of the church.

"The masonry's gone," says Rev. Len Ripley. "You can see the interior of it. It's going to have to be completely redone."
And, it's not an easy fix. The damage is going to cost the church thousands of dollars. "It's not like you're going to patch it up and paint it. It doesn't work that way," Ripley says.

Charleston's parks are seeing the same problem. Steve Livingston, director of parks for the city, showed us the extent of the damage in Liberty Square in front of the aquarium.

"You get this really ground in grease and wax, big giant chips out of the concrete," he says. There are long, black stains along the two-foot tall walls made by the grease and wax. And, those stains are permanent. Skaters grind on the walls with the axles under their boards. That action also knocks large pieces out of the concrete.
"It's really no different than if someone were to walk down here with a sledge hammer and walk along the wall and beat chunks out of it," Livingston says.

The city spends $15,000 a year cleaning the stains from Liberty Square alone. And, it's nearly the same sight at other parks around the city. You can see the stains on walls at the Maritime Center and around a statue at White Point Gardens at The Battery.

"What they're doing is permanent damage to a very expensive piece of public realm," Livingston says. "And, it's costing all the taxpayers."

He says all the years of cleaning and patching the walls has cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. And, there's still just as much money still to spend. Ripley says he believes there is one way to fix this problem. "We need to give (skaters) a place to (skate)."

Corey and Cheyne Dowds agree with Ripley. Corey is featured in the video that shows a police officer pushing him over at Waterfront Park. The pair says if there was a good skate park in the city the problems would stop. However, city officials say they shouldn't have to worry about the damage to start with because skateboarding in the city is illegal.

[10sun]

Thanks Lyion,

The kids causing the damage don't know how to skateboard and are using the wrong surfaces to grind upon.

The damages caused are by the actions of vandals who also happen to be skateboarders... not by skateboarders.

Personally, when I was skateboarding, I didn't deface property like that. It was a means of transport for the most part, grinding and such was done on private property with the owner's consent. It didn't take a whole lot of work to get consent either so long as we weren't just hanging out smoking and drinking, but instead just having fun and being respectful.

[Lueyen]

A lot of businesses that don't allow skate boarding do so partially out of concerns of liability issues.